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Volkodav

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Yes, but as Rudd supporters leaked to Laurie Oakes during the 2010 election, Gillian when Deputy PM showed little interest in Defence and would often skip National Defence meetings she was invited to. Once in power, in her attempt to rebalance the budget, her choice was to slash Defence spending while maintaining spending on Public Education (a State not Federal responsibility) and other favourite programs on the left. The same happened under Whitlam and then the worthy 1987 White Paper went backwards as Kim Beazley was overruled by his Treasurer and PM. Labor speaks boldly but never acts on their promises.
Off topic and getting political, I will add that defence has both friends and enemies in both major parties. Also what one leader promises does not carry water when the leadership changes, or more to the point, when circumstances change. Just ask anyone who lives on Northern Australia how the "Special Economic Zone" is going, or those down south how good it feels to have projects cancelled for economic reasons re-established in this week's budget.
 

spoz

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ABC Brisbane were aboard HMAS Brisbane for her entry up the river, under tha Gateway bridge to alongside HMAS Moreton.
The quite long video attached also includes some interesting internal film of the ship.
I’m sad to say however, that the correct way to bring a hawser to a double bollard is either not being taught and supervised or totally ignored. It also seems that the old tradition of shaving each morning has been dumped. I’m not sure of her programme but maybe she’s off to the US and many young sailors have sought permission to cease shaving.

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It’s a little hard to read, but I think the IPMS screen in the PCR shots says it’s 0607, so maybe the AB stoker talking to the PO will shave after he comes off watch or after specials, whichever - it looks like they anchored in the Bay overnight so they might have closed up quite early, and would certainly have stayed in sea watches. The others seem to be wearing the modern style of close shorn beard which does annoy this (bearded) dinosaur but which is now acceptable .

Agree on bringing what is presumably the spring to the bollards - the proper method is still taught and practised, I rather suspect that AB will be in for a bollocking.
 

Massive

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Agree on bringing what is presumably the spring to the bollards - the proper method is still taught and practised, I rather suspect that AB will be in for a bollocking.
Don't suppose you could post a video/diagram or description of the right way.

My Google-fu has been defeated.

Just interested in this sort of thing.

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Massive
 

ngatimozart

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It’s a little hard to read, but I think the IPMS screen in the PCR shots says it’s 0607, so maybe the AB stoker talking to the PO will shave after he comes off watch or after specials, whichever - it looks like they anchored in the Bay overnight so they might have closed up quite early, and would certainly have stayed in sea watches. The others seem to be wearing the modern style of close shorn beard which does annoy this (bearded) dinosaur but which is now acceptable .

Agree on bringing what is presumably the spring to the bollards - the proper method is still taught and practised, I rather suspect that AB will be in for a bollocking.
I agree about said AB being in for a bollocking, especially if it's bought to Buffers notice from above. Might've gotten away with it if it hadn't been filmed and plastered on social media. :D Some of the men with the beards that that look like scran bags, may be in their 21 days of Captains permission to grow, if the RAN still do that.
 

spoz

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Well, it’s on page 141 of the 1964 edition of BR 67, the Admiralty Manual of Seamanship Vol 1, issued to all officers on joining when Assail and I were lads (still got it; and still occasionally refer to it). It should be available somewhere on the net, although a quick search hasn’t turned it up.

Certainly still have to get approval to grow a set.
 

ngatimozart

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Well, it’s on page 141 of the 1964 edition of BR 67, the Admiralty Manual of Seamanship Vol 1, issued to all officers on joining when Assail and I were lads (still got it; and still occasionally refer to it). It should be available somewhere on the net, although a quick search hasn’t turned it up.

Certainly still have to get approval to grow a set.
I have that Manual and same edition and still use it on occasion. Mine was given to me by my ships cox'n when he retired I was an OD at the time. When I was at uni and afterwards and were doing some shallow water surveying especially in surf zones, used the manual for the seamanship side of it.

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Boatteacher

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I have that Manual and same edition and still use it on occasion. Mine was given to me by my ships cox'n when he retired I was an OD at the time.

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That looks a lot safer than a sailor trying to pull an 8000 tonne ship up against the wharf. It did rather look to me that if there was any unexpected movement of the ship, the sailor would have gone straight through the fairlead
 

ASSAIL

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I have that Manual and same edition and still use it on occasion. Mine was given to me by my ships cox'n when he retired I was an OD at the time. When I was at uni and afterwards and were doing some shallow water surveying especially in surf zones, used the manual for the seamanship side of it.

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You beat me to it with the pic.
Also note in the video how close the fingers and hands are to the bollard, no self respecting Leading Hand should allow a hawser team to be so close.
 

Tasman

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You beat me to it with the pic.
Also note in the video how close the fingers and hands are to the bollard, no self respecting Leading Hand should allow a hawser team to be so close.
It made me cringe to see that. Just looked like an accident waiting to happen!
Tas
 

hauritz

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An article in ASPI regarding the ANZAC Class that some may find of interest.

In for the long haul (part 3): How far can you push an Anzac? | The Strategist

Interesting question as to what level of availability is expected from this class of 8 ships.

Hopefully as the OPV's come into service this will provide some respite for the major fleet units.

Enjoy the read


Regards S
It makes me wonder about the wisdom of getting rid of the last Adelaide class frigates. It may be worth keeping them around to share the wear until the Hunter class starts entering service.
 

Redlands18

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It makes me wonder about the wisdom of getting rid of the last Adelaide class frigates. It may be worth keeping them around to share the wear until the Hunter class starts entering service.
The number of Trg streams could be an issue, if you keep the Adelaides you will still be Trg crew to operate them while at the same time starting up Trg for the Arafura’s and the Hunters. Not forgetting the number of systems that are unique to the Adelaides that will be getting phased out of service in the next couple of Years.
I suspect the RAN will want to retire the Adelaides sooner rather than later to concentrate on Getting the Hobarts and Refitted Anzacs up to full operating capability and preparing for the arrival of the Hunters
 

Stampede

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The number of Trg streams could be an issue, if you keep the Adelaides you will still be Trg crew to operate them while at the same time starting up Trg for the Arafura’s and the Hunters. Not forgetting the number of systems that are unique to the Adelaides that will be getting phased out of service in the next couple of Years.
I suspect the RAN will want to retire the Adelaides sooner rather than later to concentrate on Getting the Hobarts and Refitted Anzacs up to full operating capability and preparing for the arrival of the Hunters
Fair comment and suggest your correct.
I guess it's the crystal ball question as to the security situation in the near future and how best to respond to that challenge.
I dare say the FFG's will finish up this year as planned for the reasons you mentioned.
As I have commented previously on this subject I'm a bit pessimistic and see their retention as prudent insurance for uncertain times.
I'm fully aware I'm in the minority and trust others with an alternative point of view are correct in this matter.

Regards S
 

Tasman

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Dozens of “Birdies, Bubblies and Bandies” slurs are coming back into focus!
If the reason is safety then just like PC, Work Health and Safety has got totally out of control.
Gawd help us. This is not the RAN I joined.
So marching at a Dawn Service in the dark is a safety issue yet the navy was happy to post a video a few days ago showing what looked like very unsafe practices on HMAS Brisbane.

Words absolutely fail me re this directive.

Would it be politically incorrect for me to note that the navy's defence of the order came from a female? I plead old age as a defence!

Dark dawn service too 'risky' for Navy

Tas
 

spoz

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Have done that march on several occasions. There can be a bit of stumbling around in the dark during the form up, but I never really thought there was a safety issue.
 

Richo99

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How bloody ridiculous is this, treating our servicemen and women like children.
I understand there were a few trip hazards in the Dardenelles too...how far things have come...
 
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