kiwipatriot69
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So one missile per cell then, I thought the launchers could fit more?
Royal New Zealand Navy Discussions and Updates
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Edda Fonn / Manawanui in grey... Royal New Zealand Navy
Must be steaming out to NZ under her civvy name.
Must be steaming out to NZ under her civvy name.
The compact vertical launch 3-cell ExLS system is not yet available so they went with the mushroom farm ala Type 23.
She has to retain her markings, ie name and IMO number and Port of Registry, as a registered vessel. She could not complete an international voyage without them
These can only be removed after she commissions.
40 deg south
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The latest edition of APDR (free access, but you have to create a log-in) has he following timeline for delivery of the Edda Fonn:
The latest edition of APDR (free access, but you have to create a log-in) has he following timeline for delivery of the Edda Fonn:
An indication of the biggest ship New Zealand could produce inhouse at the moment - an exploration vessel (yacht) for one of our richest people launched from Foxton yesterday. She was fabricated and moved by road from Palmerston North - a land locked city just under 50kms away from her launching point. Painted grey so already being mistaken for a frigate by some 
Michael Hill's massive catamaran to launch from Foxton Beach
(picture DAVID UNWIN/STUFF)
Edit..From the comments section on one of the stuff articles:
Michael Hill's colossal boat The Beast launches at Foxton Beach
Michael Hill's massive catamaran to launch from Foxton Beach
(picture DAVID UNWIN/STUFF)
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Ugly looking beasty. I thought he'd have a golf course on it thoughAn indication of the biggest ship New Zealand could produce inhouse at the moment - an exploration vessel (yacht) for one of our richest people launched from Foxton yesterday. She was fabricated and moved by road from Palmerston North - a land locked city just under 50kms away from her launching point. Painted grey so already being mistaken for a frigate by some
Edit..From the comments section on one of the stuff articles:
Michael Hill's colossal boat The Beast launches at Foxton Beach
Michael Hill's massive catamaran to launch from Foxton Beach
(picture DAVID UNWIN/STUFF)
We probably could build them bigger, but this one was built in Palmerston North and transported by road about 45 km by road to Foxton Beach for launching.
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t68
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its retro, all the rage in WWI
kiwipatriot69
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Let's spin a story to Hicky Hagar & some of these other 'conspiracy theorists' that it's actually a top secret spy vessel... we'll have them in hysteria over their soy-vegan latte's before you know it! Or maybe we're all being fooled and it's secretly the new littoral operations capability!
Which brings me back to reality... I found this online & it makes interesting reading comparing the planned LOSC with the Manawanui that we're getting instead.
Defence Technology Review : DTR OCT 2016, Page 33
...basicallly the Manawanui will actually be capable of doing about 90% of what the LOSC was going to do... arguably it's not as MilSpec and I doubt it'll have the weapons planned for LOSC but I think she'll be a great asset.
Biofouling regulations that took effect in May have started causing issues, including for a "foreign military ship"... its a long article but here are some important snippets that include some push for a bigger dry dock:
Biosecurity threat sees dirty-bottomed boats ordered out of New Zealand waters
Aside from the practicalities of requiring a ship to have been cleaned 30 days before arrival in New Zealand, the lack of a big enough dry-dock to sort this out in country is also a factor... particularly when the requirements will extend to coastal shipping in the future..
Biosecurity threat sees dirty-bottomed boats ordered out of New Zealand waters
Aside from the practicalities of requiring a ship to have been cleaned 30 days before arrival in New Zealand, the lack of a big enough dry-dock to sort this out in country is also a factor... particularly when the requirements will extend to coastal shipping in the future..
No contribution from MPI towards a dry dock then..
Yep I read that earlier today. It does make a good case for a large drydock say in New Plymouth or Whangarei, with funding from the Minister of and Champion of the Regions Regional Development Fund of say ~30% NZDF providing 55% and industry the remainder. MPI supplying funding? LOL.
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The scariest thing about the Type 31 from a New Zealand perspective is the possibility of this ship replacing the ANZACs... unless it's the Arrowhead 140.
The Arrowhead 140 is the capable option, the Leander is the cheap option. I fear the Leander. It gives me nightmares, I see one with a kiwi on the side and I wake up screaming in a cold sweat. For the sake of the RNZN (and RN) please, please, please select the Arrowhead 140. Thank you. (From RN Forum by BeeGee)
Surely a south korean buy/build must be an option for NZ if the tanker is ok?
The scariest thing about the Type 31 from a New Zealand perspective is the possibility of this ship replacing the ANZACs... unless it's the Arrowhead 140.
The Arrowhead 140 is the capable option, the Leander is the cheap option. I fear the Leander. It gives me nightmares, I see one with a kiwi on the side and I wake up screaming in a cold sweat. For the sake of the RNZN (and RN) please, please, please select the Arrowhead 140. Thank you. (From RN Forum by BeeGee)
Surely a south korean buy/build must be an option for NZ if the tanker is ok?
Todjaeger
Potstirrer
Not necessarily. A great deal will depend on which design gets selected and then the resulting negotiations on IP rights, or possibly even on the initial requirements in the RFP.
From my POV, the potential issues with a S. Korean build would be more related to issues/concerns the designer has about their warship design IP being disseminated. Or IMO more likely, the designer would have a preferred builder or perhaps a list of builders, none of which might be in S. Korea. Using BAE as an example, I could easily see BAE being fairly happy with a Kiwi order for Type 26 or Type 31 frigates, and not really caring if they were produced in a UK or Oz yard owned or run by BAE or a BAE subsidiary. OTOH BAE might not be quite so happy with having either Type 26 or Type 31 frigates built in a foreign shipyard that was not owned/run by a division of BAE, and the yard was not in the country which ordered the build.
Alloy Yachts built bigger, so did Fitzroy. Our superyacht industry died after the GFC.Ugly looking beasty. I thought he'd have a golf course on it though
We probably could build them bigger, but this one was built in Palmerston North and transported by road about 45 km by road to Foxton Beach for launching.
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John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Superyacht opportunities are somewhat limited now to German yards building for Arab and Russian clients, big boats are too non-PC. The industry needs Li-ion batteries powering high effiency electrical motors even more than naval submarine projects along with vegetable based lubricants, solar panel hulls and superstructures plus windmills for recharging.
Seriously, like NZ, Canada had a few yacht builders that died off after the financial crash. Aluminum tariffs imposed by the US on Canada will finish off a couple of more yards.
Seriously, like NZ, Canada had a few yacht builders that died off after the financial crash. Aluminum tariffs imposed by the US on Canada will finish off a couple of more yards.
Novascotiaboy
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The original RFP for the LOSC had two 25 mm weapons plus HMG. Looking at some of the recent pictures of the Edda Fonn in the shipyard it doesnt look like there are too many spots that 2200 pounds of mount and gun could be located. Is it unreasonable to expect the 25 mm as standard or is this too much for the vessel and its role?
Is there another mount or mounts available in the inventory or would new be required if chosen for installation?
On another point I am assuming the REMUS AUV will be the AUV of choice as it is in service with I believe 4 in total.
Is there another mount or mounts available in the inventory or would new be required if chosen for installation?
On another point I am assuming the REMUS AUV will be the AUV of choice as it is in service with I believe 4 in total.
There will be many options open for NZ circa 2030. I wouldn't dismiss the possibility they might even go the Type 26 route. By then the production lines in Canada, Australia and the UK will be in full swing and it may be possible for NZ to pick up a bargain. One step down will be the US FFG(X) and a whole raft of other Euro designs. I kind of like the look of some of the new Japanese and Korean designs as well.
In a way, the advantage NZ has is that it doesn't have a domestic naval shipbuilding industry to appease so it can just go all out looking for the best value warship available.
Yes, and they did build the Endeavour as well, but by a different yard. @beegee probably has Uncle Helun (Clark) in his nightmare as well which would drive a man to multiple drinks.
The Type 31e Arrowhead 140, is based on the OMT Iver Huitfeld FFG, so yes Babcock, Harland & Wolf et al., would want it built in their yards. However acquiring a license for the Iver Huitfeld design from OMT, fitting it out to NZ specs and building it in a yard of our choice circumvents Babcock et al., as long as we don't slavishly follow their upgrades. As Mr C has pointed out previously on this thread:
Fitted out with something like LRASM, CEC, AEGIS, Sea Ceptor, SM-2 / 6, Combat-SS21 CMS, 2 x 35 mm Millennium guns, towed sonar array MT30 gas turbine, MTU Diesels etc., will make ,as Mr C says, a substantial platform that mirrors the Hunter class capabilities.