OK ... this is a massive oversimplification ..... it is not just freeboard, beam and draft as these are meaningless without context. Inherent stability and structural strength are vital (the NZ OPV design was based on a design for Northern Hemisphere operations and needed modification to withstand the wave height and period expected in the Southern Ocean storm season). A wide, short and deep vessel will role like a pig if the hull form is poor and stability is crap (noting stability can be impacted by ice formation)
Yeah, I know mate. I was just being facetious. The premium being paid by Aus and the UK is to maintain their national shipbuilding capability.
Well, its not like moneys really an issue for Nz govt, given Deputy Prime Minister and foreign affairs minister Winston Peters earmarked a Billion dollars for foreign aid in the pacific, frankly i think this could easily end up being wasted, id rather see it being spent on a frigate, extra P8 and a military spec litoral support vessel. Seeing we often would be doing patrols on their behalf, im sure they ,and our other regional allies would appreciate that input more.
Yes I do agree with the above. In your first paragraph you referred to "a wide, short and deep vessel" I intended to portray a vessel of at least 120m. I consider both the ANZAC and OPV's as valuable assets to our navy. What I was really trying to invoke was discussion on a patrol vessel to enter the ice zone and then look at an ice breaker for this context. (adds support to "Aotearoa") The OPVs I feel would have benefited from a longer hull but have accomplished what has been asked from them. The ANZACs probably patrol to a certain parallel that being the southern most shipping routes.
The reason the Endeavour was decommissioned last year was because it did not meet new international rules regarding tankers that came into effect earlier this year. The stupid centres around the fact that Aotearoa wasn't IOC by this year and that was a decision by the pollies.
Yea sorry Cobber, thought you were serious. LOL
I've always thought a naval version of the S Korean RV Araon would be a perfect fit for NZ. It could perform the role of the LOSC vessel, fitted with all the dive and hydrographic equipment. It has a helicopter hanger, a crew of only 25 with accommodation for another 60, a range of 20k nm, endurance of 70 days, it can carry 46 TEU containers and it's an icebreaker, so it could re-supply the Antarctic. It'd be the ultimate multi-role southern ocean vessel.
I wonder if it’s feasable with warships of the line for say SK to build the hull and final fit out in NZ, or would this not be a beneficial arrangement ?Yea sorry Cobber, thought you were serious. LOL
The future NZ Frigate(if it happens) will be a interesting call hard to know which way they will jump, could be anything from a large OPV, a OCV/Corvette, Light Frigate, right up to a T26 or maybe just a couple of Row Boats
Not T-26s but 3 x OMT Iver Huitfelds, built in South Korea, fitted with 1 x MT-30 GT, 2 x MTU diesels, 2 x Oerlikon Millennium 35 mm guns, 1 x Mk-45 Mod 2 Gun, 32 x Mk-41 tactical length VLS, Sea Ceptor, along with the same sensors, decoys, comms, ISR , data, computing, LM CMS etc., that are being installed on the ANZAC FFH in Canada. The first one after Aotearoa and then the second to be IOC by 2027 followed by the 3rd 3 years later.
Yep, an 8 cell one.
Personally I wouldn't change the propulsion system. Their propulsion system is incredible, being able to cruise at 18 knots on only one diesel. It's one of the design's best features. Check out this video:
Switching to Iver Huitfelds built in Sth Korea means proven, versatile vessels especially with the first to follow "Aotearoa" . the 2nd and third possibly spread out a bit further to allow the ANZACs to fulfil their life (I believe Australia could extend their ANZACs life giving time to ramp up the T26s)
Nope, basic crew is 100 - 120. Three of these would utilise the same number of crew that the current 2 ANZAC FFHs do. The extras are RNZN aircrew, RNZAF aircraft techies and sea riders.
Why do people think Type 31E has stopped, it's slightly delayed but the two bidders are still forging ahead with potential suppliers.
As OMT are now part of the Babcocks consortium any future Ivers will be built in the UK, you will not see them being built in Korea or anywhere else. This question was asked at the open day I went to, so if NZ decided to buy them they would come from the UK.
That wouldn't be a problem if they can keep the sticker price close to the T31e stipulated 250m quid (depending on weapon and sensor fit). The NZ MOD has said they will be sticking with Sea Ceptor for the ANZAC replacements, so reusing the weapons/sensors/CMS from the upgraded ANZACs should make for a cheap build, with plenty of margin for future upgrades.
When the 1st new frigate's in service strip the 1st Anzac to retire of everything worth keeping for the 2nd new frigate, & repeat for the 2nd Anzac & 3rd new one.
Can be updated later.