Juan Carlos / Canberra Class LHD

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t68

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a lot of the acoustic amplification is not generated by the hull - which is why subs get put into the chook shed... :)

Not sure what you mean by chook shed, but with all that wire only thing I can think of is a faraday cage, I doubt you mean that.
 

gf0012-aust

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Not sure what you mean by chook shed, but with all that wire only thing I can think of is a faraday cage, I doubt you mean that.
its an acoustic array which the sub is driven into and then everything is mapped - engines running, engines off etc...

its one of the unsung technologies where an australian company also developed a portable version which was 1/10th of the cost of the fixed version and within 5% of the margin of error

they look like a famers woolshed with all the sheeting and cladding missing
 

aussienscale

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Great video there.

@2.53the pylon of the ARH seems to have quite a significant amount of scratches.. Could anyone point out what could be associated with this type of wear and tear?
My guess would be surface damage from launches ?

What a pain to fold the rotors !! Bring on the Z's at least they have a semiautomatic folding blade capability designed for operation on LHD's :)

Cheers
 

Trackmaster

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My guess would be surface damage from launches ?

What a pain to fold the rotors !! Bring on the Z's at least they have a semiautomatic folding blade capability designed for operation on LHD's :)

Cheers
Has there been an issue with Canberra of late?

Has she returned to Sydney very early in what was supposed to be six weeks at sea?

I have seen a sketchy report elsewhere that I have not seen backed up.
 
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Has there been an issue with Canberra of late?

Has she returned to Sydney very early in what was supposed to be six weeks at sea?

I have seen a sketchy report elsewhere that I have not seen backed up.
2 days ago in the RAN thread, Assail mentioned the same suspicion, based on rumblings but with a little detail...
I heard some rumblings that Canberra experienced some quite serious mechanical engineering issues during the Tiger trials and had to return to FBE.
Has anyone more info?
 

Stampede

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My guess would be surface damage from launches ?

What a pain to fold the rotors !! Bring on the Z's at least they have a semiautomatic folding blade capability designed for operation on LHD's :)

Cheers
Auto folding for any helicopter certainly has benefits, but also a weight penalty. Sometimes there is not a golden answer as to which trade off is best.
Flight deck utility V lift capacity.

Regards S.
 

Stampede

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Can you clarify what you mean by "lift capacity" and in what context ?

Cheers
Chatting some years ago with a uniform in with the Taipan about the auto folding mechanism for the helicopter the weight of the system was over 100 kg. Not an insignificant bit of ballast to fly with when you think of what you could substitute that weight for in lift capacity. In effect you lose a passenger of extra fuel or what ever else you can substitute for that weight. Chatting again at the recent air show at Avalon I had another conversation with one of the Taipan maintainers about the benefits and trade offs of auto folding blades.He mentioned his team of threes best time for a manual fold of all four blades was under 14 minutes. Also discussed was the PAX lift capacity of Taipan and what was interesting was that the numbers were different for maritime operations so as to provide extra redundancy for a single engine loss over water......... even less PAX carried.
So yes auto folding makes things quick but I'm coming around to the trade off's in the weight of a auto folding system versus some extra weight/lift capacity for any type of helicopter sacrificing auto folding convenience.

Regards S
 

aussienscale

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Chatting some years ago with a uniform in with the Taipan about the auto folding mechanism for the helicopter the weight of the system was over 100 kg. Not an insignificant bit of ballast to fly with when you think of what you could substitute that weight for in lift capacity. In effect you lose a passenger of extra fuel or what ever else you can substitute for that weight. Chatting again at the recent air show at Avalon I had another conversation with one of the Taipan maintainers about the benefits and trade offs of auto folding blades.He mentioned his team of threes best time for a manual fold of all four blades was under 14 minutes. Also discussed was the PAX lift capacity of Taipan and what was interesting was that the numbers were different for maritime operations so as to provide extra redundancy for a single engine loss over water......... even less PAX carried.
So yes auto folding makes things quick but I'm coming around to the trade off's in the weight of a auto folding system versus some extra weight/lift capacity for any type of helicopter sacrificing auto folding convenience.

Regards S
Yep I am aware of all of that, you do realise the conversation was with regards to the Tiger ARH and my reference to the AH-1Z Viper as a potential replacement ?
 

StingrayOZ

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Yep I am aware of all of that, you do realise the conversation was with regards to the Tiger ARH and my reference to the AH-1Z Viper as a potential replacement ?
I think the Zulus will be a good option going into the future. Commonality with the Marines is a winner, and being more ship friendly will make sense with the LHD's when they are packed to the gills or possibly on smaller ships.
 

Stampede

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Yep I am aware of all of that, you do realise the conversation was with regards to the Tiger ARH and my reference to the AH-1Z Viper as a potential replacement ?
Maybe I didn't get the gist of your question.

"Can you clarify what you mean by "lift capacity" and in what context ?"

Cheers"

Either way thanks for engaging.Maybe I was affected by daylight savings
Regards to what should replace the Tiger I'm agnostic and confident there are others with appropriate qualifications who will make the decisions. I'm sure the replacement will have to full fill a lot of criteria to meet and I'm sure some of that will be an expectation to operate over both the land and maritime environment.
Who know's your pick may get up.

Regards S
 

SpazSinbad

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VIDEO: LHD Juan Carlos I, bound for Kuwait, deployment May2018

“JCI ferrying some Chinooks and Cougars (medium lifters) for army stabilisation force. Six Harriers and four (I think?) CAG Sea Kings. DDG for roundtrip escort, and an AOR for the Med leg(s).”

 

Stampede

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VIDEO: LHD Juan Carlos I, bound for Kuwait, deployment May2018

“JCI ferrying some Chinooks and Cougars (medium lifters) for army stabilisation force. Six Harriers and four (I think?) CAG Sea Kings. DDG for roundtrip escort, and an AOR for the Med leg(s).”


Nice to see some new Video of Spain's Juan Carlos 1.
I wonder if the Spanish air arm have any intention of acquiring a few extra ex US Marine Harriers should they become available as the F35B enters service with the US Marines.
I understand there is a fair bit of commonality between the Spanish and USMC Harriers.
Would suggest they would be at a good price if not a gift.
I can't see anyone else holding their hands up for them and you can only place so many on a pole as a gate entry.


Regards S
 

ASSAIL

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VIDEO: LHD Juan Carlos I, bound for Kuwait, deployment May2018

“JCI ferrying some Chinooks and Cougars (medium lifters) for army stabilisation force. Six Harriers and four (I think?) CAG Sea Kings. DDG for roundtrip escort, and an AOR for the Med leg(s).”

I'm just wishing that the ADF will one day, at least while I'm still alive and the budget is rolling in surpluses, purchase a number of F35Bs and have a dedicated platform to deploy those suckers in our region and make a real strategic statement. Similar to the Signals sent when we sounded our intent to buy the F111 back in the 60s.
I'm with you Spaz.
 

t68

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I'm just wishing that the ADF will one day, at least while I'm still alive and the budget is rolling in surpluses, purchase a number of F35Bs and have a dedicated platform to deploy those suckers in our region and make a real strategic statement. Similar to the Signals sent when we sounded our intent to buy the F111 back in the 60s.
I'm with you Spaz.
yes a CVS or two would be nice in role reminiscent of the potential Invincible buy in, although I would like to see something that could use a combination of a modern S 2 Tracker or using the E2 Hawkeye airframe would be nice. ahh its nice to dream;)
 

alexsa

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I'm just wishing that the ADF will one day, at least while I'm still alive and the budget is rolling in surpluses, purchase a number of F35Bs and have a dedicated platform to deploy those suckers in our region and make a real strategic statement. Similar to the Signals sent when we sounded our intent to buy the F111 back in the 60s.
I'm with you Spaz.
I am with you on this one. The networking capacity of the F-35 combined with the decision to implement CEC seem to make a compelling argument. The aircraft need not directly engage in all cases as they offer and exponential increase in the engagement window of SM6 (which if we trust the hype... is coming). Beyond that the situational awareness they offer with organic air is remarkable.

4 to 6 F-35 on the LHD would be a task force game changer which does not exist with the Harrier.
 
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