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Hiding behind a 30-ft. concrete wall is wishful thinking and a colossal waste of resources. What was the cost to the US for Mexico to reimpose a visa requirement on Beazilians that cut the illegal flow from more than 31,000 to 1,460 in the span of a single year? That's an unbelievable bargain for the US that any smart businessman should appreciate except, apparently, the one in the WH.



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/21/business/economy/mexico-immigration-border-wall.html?_r=0
 

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not sure thats news - that was established months ago, we just didn't know that they were costa rican - but we knew it was quid pro quo
Well news to me anyhow, I knew there would have to be an exchange somewhere but did not know what.
 
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Wellness to me anyhow, I knew there wild have to be an exchange somewhere but did not know what.
pretty sure it was in the public domain - it was always going to be a one for one exchange

which I think is maybe why trump was initially so antsy - I suspect he didn't know it was an exchange and thus thought the deal was one sided. - he is after all, a "transactional negotiater"

Odd though as I have colleages in State and HSec who knew that it was an exchange so also assumed that the boss knew. the way its all panned out would suggest otherwise. maybe that was part of the secret mens business that trumbull "brawled" about :)
 

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pretty sure it was in the public domain - it was always going to be a one for one exchange

which I think is maybe why trump was initially so antsy - I suspect he didn't know it was an exchange and thus thought the deal was one sided. - he is after all, a "transactional negotiater"

Odd though as I have colleages in State and HSec who knew that it was an exchange so also assumed that the boss knew. the way its all panned out would suggest otherwise. maybe that was part of the secret mens business that trumbull "brawled" about :)
Actually wasnt a one for one swap. Number's for Australia's part were never finalized but in return for the US taking upto 1,250 refugees from Manus and Nauru Australia was going to take 4,000 - 6,000 from the US.

Was a bargain deal for the US.. The 'genious' business man is not so bright.
 

colay1

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Great bargain. Produce rotting in the fields while prices soar and farms go bankrupt. That's just the agricultural sector. :rolleyes:
 

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pretty sure it was in the public domain - it was always going to be a one for one exchange

which I think is maybe why trump was initially so antsy - I suspect he didn't know it was an exchange and thus thought the deal was one sided. - he is after all, a "transactional negotiater"

Odd though as I have colleages in State and HSec who knew that it was an exchange so also assumed that the boss knew. the way its all panned out would suggest otherwise. maybe that was part of the secret mens business that trumbull "brawled" about :)
From what I've heard, one shouldn't assume Trump knows anything.

One of his tweets (complaining about a retail firm ceasing to sell his daughter's clothing line) was sent 20 minutes after a security briefing for him was scheduled to have started. He & his personal staff refer to non-existent events, & the stupid stuff about Sweden seems to have come from a largely made-up story on Fox. It looks as if they rely on gossip & TV, not the professionals.
 

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Well according to the news report the dumb deal that trump speaks of is a two way street, not sure of numbers but we are taking Costa Rica refugees.
Costa Ricans? That doesn't make sense. Costa Rica's a relatively peaceful, safe & prosperous place, not a dirt-poor crime-ridden dump like Honduras & the like. GDP per head is three times as high as in Nicaragua, which is next door, & murder rate is a tenth of the rate in El Salvador, a fifth of the Honduran level. It's somewhere refugees run to, not from.
 

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Costa Ricans? That doesn't make sense. Costa Rica's a relatively peaceful, safe & prosperous place, not a dirt-poor crime-ridden dump like Honduras & the like. GDP per head is three times as high as in Nicaragua, which is next door, & murder rate is a tenth of the rate in El Salvador, a fifth of the Honduran level. It's somewhere refugees run to, not from.
A quick look at the numbers supports this but just barely with a net +0.8 migrants per 1000. I suspect this net figure hides separate processes of migration. I wouldn't be surprised to see people form Honduras and Nicaragua go to Costa Rica. But I would be surprised if Costa Ricans didn't at least try to immigrate to the United States. And their GDP PPP per capita isn't very high either. Seems to be ~ 16 000 USD. It's not the most accurate way of measuring the populations' prosperity but in this case it's clear that it's not a first world country. It may be that the word refugee here was used inaccurately and we're talking about economic migrants from Costa Rica.
 

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Not first world, but almost exactly on the world average, a bit richer per head than China & a few European countries. And since it's officially regarded as safe, unlike the countries refugees come from, there's nothing to stop economic migrants being deported straight back.

It doesn't make sense. The USA has plenty of people who've sneaked in & can legitimately claim to have well-grounded fears of something nasty waiting for them at home. But they aren't from Costa Rica.
 

colay1

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An analysis of Trump's priorities during his first month in office:

GOLF - 25 hours
Foreign Relations - 21 hours
Tweeting - 13 hours
Intel Briefing - 6 hours


The silver lining is the 6 hours for Intel Briefings, a huge improvement over zero.:p:
 

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An analysis of Trump's priorities during his first month in office:

GOLF - 25 hours
Foreign Relations - 21 hours
Tweeting - 13 hours
Intel Briefing - 6 hours


The silver lining is the 6 hours for Intel Briefings, a huge improvement over zero.:p:
Ramp up the golf I say but only if he delegates to those who are useful.
 
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