War Against ISIS

Toblerone

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Key powers discuss possibility of Syria federal division: Diplomats

UN is going to push the discussion towards federalism. I guess they want to promise local power to some key powerbrokers and get the ball rolling. Pretty good, I guess.

US blasts Britain, France over chaos in Libya

Some strong words against his european allies by Obama. I don't remember him being so direct before? I guess he sees the criticism he will face in the coming years over the mess he is leaving behind when it comes to the ME. His legacy is ruined by CIA's interventionism in the Arab "spring". Oh, and the Libya bombings.
 

ngatimozart

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Seems like the massive personnel data leak is expected to hurt ISIS.

ISIS being cracked open from within, Europe News & Top Stories - The Straits Times

Not surprised if the disgruntled IS fighter was 'guided' into leaking the files.
I'm just wondering how authentic this list and the disgruntled fighter are. Given that the top level of the Daesh hierarchy, is reputed to be mostly composed of ex Sadams air force intelligence types, this could be an intel misinformation op. The term maskirovka comes to mind.
 

bdique

Member
I'm just wondering how authentic this list and the disgruntled fighter are. Given that the top level of the Daesh hierarchy, is reputed to be mostly composed of ex Sadams air force intelligence types, this could be an intel misinformation op. The term maskirovka comes to mind.
It did occur to me that this could be an attempt to spoof unfriendly intelligence agencies and waste their time and effort on chasing ghosts while real sleeper agents continue their planning/preparations unabated. Still, the arguments to justify why these are probably real have been rather well covered by most international new outlets, and so far they look like pretty robust arguments to me.

Perhaps I can try and tackle this from the angle of why this might not be maskirovka. Word of caution, I'm not intelligence-trained, so do take what I say with a pinch of salt.

From what I gather from the link you kindly shared (really appreciate it) the four key principles of maskirovka are Activity, Plausibility, Variety and Continuity. I will not elaborate on these principles for the sake of brevity; for those interested, I'd highly suggest that you read the article.

To me the, the sheer effort needed to generate 22,000 data points, some real and some false, is a MASSIVE undertaking, considering that you would not only have to falsify names, but other pieces of data i.e. country of origin, and it would have to be coherent, plausible. In this specific case, I would expect Plausibility to be hard to maintain.


If anything, the more I think about it the more I feel that IS seldom operates with maskirovka in mind. The principle of Activity, for example...I don't see reports of IS regularly using dummies to waste Coalition air strike efforts. The principle of Variety...it seems to me quite predictable to me what they would do. Mine captured cities, use suicide bombers and VBIEDs in opening phases of an attack for shock impact. And the principle of Continuity...well that is hard to assess given that IS has been at war since inception so there really isn't any examples of peacetime deception attempts to compare against.

To me, it is almost as if these ex-IqAF Intel guys embrace Clauswitz's view that deception plans are practically a distraction to the commander. At times, it feels as if IS is desperate to achieve its political goals of forming a state more than anything else. Of course, this opinion comes from my limited access to literature on ISIS; I am willing to stand corrected.

More interestingly to me, that a German news outlet has access to the documents implies to me that this data is worth sharing (they've apparently shared several recruitment forms to The Guardian) - yet another indicator to me that it is probably real. I mean, if this is an attempt at misinformation, you'd want to curtail it's spread ASAP. Instead, the opposite seems to be true. There must be some value to propagating this piece of information, whether it is the expected demoralisation of present Daesh fighters/supporters, or the deterrent effect on would-be recruits. Granted, this does not address a specific principle (could someone help me out here?), but it is strong evidence to me regarding the authenticity of the documents, regardless of how the Western press tries to sprinkle skepticism into their reporting.
 

ngatimozart

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The Daily Mail has run a story claiming that the US Military has reactivated two OV10 Broncos to help US Special Forces in Iraq. The story claims that they are far cheaper to operate than the F15 and A10. However this story could be a wind up so unless independent verification is found I suggest treating it with some caution.

On another note it appears that Jeremy Corbyns UK Labour Party has made another faux pas by reinstating a hard left activist who stated that the UK must provide tactical and military assistance to ISIS. Apparently his reinstatement was short lived.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
.Apparently his reinstatement was short lived.
Socialists, clearly their talent pool is getting pretty shallow. We have some real winners here as well. At least they have never formed a government in Canada at the federal level. Based on provincial performance, hopefully they never do.
 

PO2GRV

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Syria conflict: Russia's Putin orders 'main part' of forces out - BBC News

Russia to begin reduction in force from Syria stating their goals have mostly been achieved

Taken at face value this could mean a number of thongs, chief among them thr intangible "credibility" of having intervened with force on behalf of Russias interests and allies. Weapons sales, distraction from Crimea affair, discontent in NATO, punitive measures against Turkey and more and more. If combat ends here for Russia theuve gained quite a bit of political capital

Now ofcourse taken another way this can mean that Someone Effed Up and something big has changed or shifted behind the scenes and Russias commitment to th regime has become untenable or has outlived its usefulness

Time will tell
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
The Russian withdrawal could be explained as quit while you are ahead. Perhaps their Afghanistan experience isn't such a distant memory. If everything goes south, blame the locals.
 

gazzzwp

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Syria conflict: Russia's Putin orders 'main part' of forces out - BBC News

Russia to begin reduction in force from Syria stating their goals have mostly been achieved

Taken at face value this could mean a number of thongs, chief among them thr intangible "credibility" of having intervened with force on behalf of Russias interests and allies. Weapons sales, distraction from Crimea affair, discontent in NATO, punitive measures against Turkey and more and more. If combat ends here for Russia theuve gained quite a bit of political capital

Now ofcourse taken another way this can mean that Someone Effed Up and something big has changed or shifted behind the scenes and Russias commitment to th regime has become untenable or has outlived its usefulness

Time will tell
Not to mention cost. People may believe that Russia could comfortably afford to continue the campaign, but many others are saying that the financial situation in Russia is dire.

All those bombs have to be paid for.

There is another issue that interests me though and perhaps the more knowledgeable here will wish to comment; how much have the US managed to glean about the Russian missile system radars and the EW systems while they have all been active during the campaign? The more cards Russia shows, the more able the US will be to find a winning hand in the future. Maybe Russia wants to hide it's toys for now.
 

gf0012-aust

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There is another issue that interests me though and perhaps the more knowledgeable here will wish to comment; how much have the US managed to glean about the Russian missile system radars and the EW systems while they have all been active during the campaign? The more cards Russia shows, the more able the US will be to find a winning hand in the future. Maybe Russia wants to hide it's toys for now.
Not much benefit at all

the russians were in an unsophisticated non-state on state theatre - no need to deploy or wake up advanced capability

there's always an INT benefit gleaned from any activity, but not in the context of your proposition

eg: Tu-214R would have been harvesting everything and anything - not just ISIL comms.

Similarly NATO would have been sniffing to see what the Tu-214R's behaviour and characteristics were
 
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Feanor

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Update.

The Russian operation in Syria is over, however the two Russian bases remain, as will Russian advisers and trainers. I wouldn't be surprised if Russian SpN continue to operate. Both bases will retain security forces for their protection from land and sky.

The Syrian opposition is already welcoming news of Russian withdrawal. However I suspect their welcome is premature, as the bases remaining mean that Russia can re-deploy aircraft to Syria on fairly little notice, should the rebels become a credible threat to the Assad regime once again. A closed session of the UN Security Council has begun to discuss this action.

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Владимир Путин приказал начать вывод оÑновных Ñил роÑÑийÑкой военной группировки из Сирии Ñ 15 марта - bmpd
Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Ñèðèéñêàÿ îïïîçèöèÿ ïîïðèâåòñòâîâàëà ðåøåíèå Ïóòèíà î âûâîäå âîéñê èç Ñèðèè
Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Ñîâåò Áåçîïàñíîñòè ÎÎÍ ñîáðàëñÿ íà çàêðûòóþ âñòðå÷ó äëÿ îáñóæäåíèÿ ðåøåíèÿ Ïóòèíà

Meanwhile SAA forces continue to take villages in Northern Latakia, albeit slower then before, aiming to secure the border with Turkey.

SAA forces have also intensified the offensive eastward towards Palmyra and Raqqa, pushing east out of Khanasser (expanding the zone of control around the strategic highway to Aleppo).

Fighting also continues in Eastern Ghouta, where the Syrians claim they were attacked by al-Nusra, and have now launched an offensive of their own.

Finally there was an attempt to launch an offensive in Northern Hama by the rebels, al-Nusra is being blamed. However no significant gains were made by either side.

https://aftershock.news/?q=node/379594
https://aftershock.news/?q=node/379292
https://aftershock.news/?q=node/378772
Ð’Ð¾ÐµÐ½Ð½Ð°Ñ Ð¾Ð±Ñтановка в Сирии к 07.03.2016 - Colonel Cassad
https://aftershock.news/?q=node/378242

Al-Nusra has also attacked an SAA unit, and seized their weapons, including ATGMs.

Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Â Ñèðèè èñëàìèñòû çàõâàòèëè äåñÿòêè áîéöîâ è îðóæèå îïïîçèöèîííîé ãðóïïèðîâêè

A MiG-21 was downed in Syria, regime says technical reasons, rebels claim shoot-down. Ahrar-ash-Sham has taken responsibility, a reminder, they're not part of the ceasefire.

Análisis Militares: ¿ Se ha derribado un avión en Siria en las últimas horas ? (actualizado)
Ð’ Сирии Ñбит МиГ-21 - Colonel Cassad

There is unconfirmed info of an anti-ISIS uprising in Raqqa, seizing several blocks of the city.

Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Æèòåëè "ñòîëèöû ÈÃ" Ðàêêè îòáèëè ó òåððîðèñòîâ íåñêîëüêî ðàéîíîâ ãîðîäà

There is unconfirmed info of Russian cruise missile strikes in Syria, likely from the 21631 currently in the Mediterranean.

Похоже - "Зелёный Дол" жахнул... - Вахтенный журнал Ñтареющего пирата

Materials on alleged Russian and Syrian ceasefire violations. It's important to note that while on individual points, there are likely violations, overall the SAA offensive has halted.

https://citeam.org/you-cease-we-fire-russian-air-force-and-assad-forces-violate-syrian-truce/

BM-27, BM-30, and TOS-1A MLRS supporting SAA forces near Palmyra. It's likely at least some of the crews are Russian military personnel. Meanwhile Russian counterbattery radars have been deployed to Syria, to monitor ceasefire violations. Though of course the radars could be used for their primary purpose as well.

СирийÑкие "Смерчи", "Ураганы" и "Солнцепёки" под Пальмирой - Юрий ЛÑмин
СирийÑкий "Зоопарк" - Берлога Бронемедведа

Alleged photos of Russian SpN personnel in Syria.

"ИхтамнетовÑкий" Ñпецназ, Ð¡Ð¸Ñ€Ð¸Ñ - Берлога Бронемедведа

An Iraqi Shiite militia parading near Aleppo. A reminder, Iraqi militias were airlifted to Syria last year as a desperate effort to shore up the Assad regime. Since then the tables have turned, but the Iraqis are still in country. Earlier they were shown being ferried around by Russian helos.

Парад "ÐÑаиб ахль аль-Хак" около Ðлеппо - Юрий ЛÑмин

The Tu-214R has returned to Russia.

Разведывательный Ñамолет Ту-214Р вернулÑÑ Ð¸Ð· Сирии в Казань - bmpd

North Korean machinegun in Syria, likely supplied by Iran who acquired them in the 80s. So have North Korean MANPADS, bought by Syria in '04.

СеверокорейÑкий пулемет Тип 73 в Сирии - Юрий ЛÑмин
СеверокорейÑкие переноÑные ЗРК HT-16PGJ в Сирии - bmpd

Afghani Shiites sent to Syria by Iran, fighting for the regime.

ÐфганÑкие шииты-хазарейцы из "Фатимиюн" в Сирии - Юрий ЛÑмин

Interesting photos of Iraqi militia vehicles in Iraq.

Бронетехника иракÑкой "Ð¡Ð°Ñ€Ð°Ð¹Ñ ÐнÑар аль-Ðкида" - Юрий ЛÑмин

Russian small arms continue to proliferate in Syria, including more modern examples. It's interesting to note that despite the ceasefire and imminent withdrawal, the Syrian Express is continuing deliveries at record rate.

Подарки Ñ Ñевера - Блокнот военного милитариÑта
ИнтенÑивноÑÑ‚ÑŒ Ð´Ð²Ð¸Ð¶ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐºÐ¾Ñ€Ð°Ð±Ð»ÐµÐ¹ "СирийÑкого ÑкÑпреÑÑа" раÑтет - bmpd

The US claims the capture of an ISIS leader, Davud al-Baqqar.

Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: ÑØÀ çàÿâ î ïîèìêå îäíîãî èç ëèäåðîâ "Èñëàìñêîãî ãîñóäàðñòâà"

Another bombing has hit Ankara, and while the Kurds will likely get blamed, it's not immediately clear who is responsible.

Очередной взрыв в Ðнкаре - Colonel Cassad

Rumors continue to circulate about US bases being built in Syria. The US is also deploying B-52s against ISIS.

Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: ÑÌÈ: ÑØÀ ñòðîÿò â Ñèðèè äâå àâèàáàçû è óêðåïëÿþò ñîòðóäíè÷åñòâî ñ Òóðöèåé
Good morning, Iraq! Or Syria... - Берлога Бронемедведа

Spain seized a massive shipment of supplies to ISIS, including uniforms.

Análisis Militares: Incautado en España un cargamento de 20.000 uniformes y complementos para el DAESH y Jabhat Al-Nusra

Bulgarian munitions and weapons have shown up in rebel hands in Syria.

"БолгарÑкий ÑкÑпреÑÑ" до Ñих пор работает. - Коллекционер баÑнов

The Russian aircraft carrier will be deployed to the Mediterranean this summer, likely to show off the new MiG-29K. Since the operation in Syria is over, it's likely it won't be conducting any air strikes.

ÐвианоÑец "Ðдмирал Кузнецов" летом 2016 года планируетÑÑ Ð¾Ñ‚Ð¿Ñ€Ð°Ð²Ð¸Ñ‚ÑŒ в Средиземное море - bmpd
 

RobWilliams

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Sounds like it's more of a reduction than a total withdrawral - as it first appeared - the S400 batteries are remaining in position. Deputy DefMin is quoted as saying a Russian air group will continue strikes.

Syria conflict: Russia 'to continue air strikes' after withdrawal - BBC News
 

STURM

Well-Known Member
The Russian withdrawal could be explained as quit while you are ahead. Perhaps their Afghanistan experience isn't such a distant memory. If everything goes south, blame the locals.
No, the Russians appear to have achieved their political and military objectives : they have weakened IS or prevented IS from capturing further ground from Assad; have ensured that it's now very much harder for the West and its allies to further pursue regime change in Syria and have demonstrated that whether the West and its allies likes it or not; Russia will do what it has to do to safeguard its interests in Syria. There is no doubt that if the opposition [whether IS or otherwise] suddenly starts making gains on the battlefield; to the extent that Assad is in danger of falling; the Russians will increase their level of involvement again.

Did Putin trump Obama in Syria? - Al Jazeera English

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...har-al-assad-isis-iran-conflict-a6929186.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...y-russia-turkey-al-rabiaa-assad-a6882281.html
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Winning, accomplished your goals or quit while you are ahead kind of looks the same to me. In any event the Russians have decided to withdraw because they believe their objectives have been accomplished, sort of like the West in Afghanistan and Iraq ( or not). Time will tell if their efforts prove more enduring.:confused:
 

Toblerone

Banned Member
That's smart, it's time for Assad to make some concessions. He can't take advantage of the russians for the years and years it would take to take over the country...

As for the opposition, there *must* be enormous pressure for them cooperate, right? The syrian war is the main driving force of the refugee crisis and that is a huge problem that hits the european governments and the existence of the EU directly.

The recent german elections, the rise of the right-wing anti-EU parties as well as the terrorism attacks (another gunfight today in Belgium) ... they would be alleviated if a federal government would focus on rebuilding and fighting ISIS.

Preferrably before Libya erupts.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
It would be nice if Syria got sorted before the preverbial hits the fan in Libya but it's looking unlikely. Who and how Libya gets sorted will be very interesting. Like Syria, all the players realize the dangers but who is really willing to step in (or on it).:(
 

Feanor

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Sounds like it's more of a reduction than a total withdrawral - as it first appeared - the S400 batteries are remaining in position. Deputy DefMin is quoted as saying a Russian air group will continue strikes.

Syria conflict: Russia 'to continue air strikes' after withdrawal - BBC News
It appears the Su-30SM and Su-35S will remain. Maybe a flight of Su-24M2s as well. They will continue occasional airstrikes, and there is no word on the helo teams, which is interesting considering that a mixed squadron-minus element is deployed outside of Hmeimeem, in support of SAA operations elsewhere.
 

King Wally

Active Member
It's not such a bad idea for Russia. Afterall they stopped Assad from falling over and rightly or wrongly they know total victory is a long way away and perhaps are happy to hand ball that over to someone else to grind out for a few more years. I'm sure if Assad got pushed right back and was on the brink again they would re-surge.
 

Feanor

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Mi-28N and Ka-52 have shown up in Syria. The K-52 looks like it was recently delivered. This "withdrawal" is getting more and more interesting.

The very first second of the video, in the background, Ka-52 in green camo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7oD5sCulf4&feature=youtu.be

Some fairly obvious shots of the Mi-28N in flight. Though the footage isn't 100% conclusive, it looks about right, and the source is Reuters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7oD5sCulf4&feature=youtu.be

EDIT: Allegedly another Ka-52 in Syria.

http://u-96.livejournal.com/4697543.html
 
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gazzzwp

Member
I wondered if it was worth some discussion on the new Koral EW system installed by Turkey?

It would certainly be an ideal time to test such equipment with the powerful Russian radar's operating in the area. It raises a wider question about whether the US would be covertly studying the characteristics of the Russian equipment to find it's signatures and weaknesses.

I cannot imagine that they are not working hard on this issue close to the Syrian border.

Turkey receives first Koral land-based EW system | IHS Jane's 360
 
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