America's Real Strategic Threat: Corruption

gree0232

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Over the years I have watched in general amazement as our Special Operations Forces have travelled around the world an whacked every two bit wannabe terrorist in the world. The good news is that we are very, very good at this sort of thing. The problem?

ww.nytimes.com/2015/08/30/magazine/the-lessons-of-anwar-al-awlaki.html?_r=0

It is not making one lick of difference. In fact, in places like Yemen where Answr al-Awlaki and his Al Qaeda cohorts were targeted the result was not a safer Yemen ... it was the collapse of Yemen into something chaotic. The same can be seen happening in Iraq/Syria where our efforts against ISIS have had almost no effect and a retiring Chief of Staff of the Army acknowledges that we may have to consider partition of Iraq. Afghanistan isn't doing much better despite over a decade of taking out low and high level Taliban, with the Taliban recently seizing terrain in Southern Afghanistan.

So what is the problem? Why isn't all this effort is eliminating bad guys producing the results that it SHOULD produce? The answer? We are not dealing with ALL the bad guys.

Let me share with you LTG Ali-Gadan, the Iraqi Ground Forces Commander. A man that controlled all Iraqi ground forces outside of Baghdad when I first met him in 2008. To call the man corrupt would be a statement of fact, but would hardly begin to encapsulate the sheer magnitude of what this man stole. In one case, meeting a new tribal chief (himself something of a mafia figure), we walked into his house and LTG Gadan decided he liked the man's chandelier - and promptly had his henchmen jump up on a table and remove it (right in front of his American Advisors).

The upshot is that we spent billions building a credible Iraqi force that collapsed in 2014 when a couple of hundred ISIS fighters appeared. Why? Because for the previous six years, a collection of corrupt men like LTG Gadan were soaking their own forces. Medical supplies? Too easy to push into the black market and the officers get their appropriate cut, Soldiers go without. Gas is too easy to dilute or simply not deliver, and Soldiers go without. Food budgets are way too easy to skim, and Soldiers are left to either starve are tap into their own paychecks (which are often skimmed as well). Buildings can be skimped on, leaving the Soldiers in shoddy conditions. The corruption was all present and invasive. The Soldiers knew it.

So when they were attacked? They knew their corrupt officers (Not all mind you, but a good chunk) were the first to flee, and so they did too - leaving ISIS with billions of dollars of military equipment. (Sounds like Basra eight years earlier, guess who the IGFC CDR was?) It's not like we didn't know that massive corruption was a problem, but can we acknowledge what a massive strategic failure it is to create a military force whose sole purpose seems to be to allow corrupt men to hollow it our for their own profit?

Afghanistan is no better. In Southern Afghanistan there is a man name Bachachan (Sp?). This is a man famous not just for corruption, but for the gang rape of 'arrested criminals' and 'Taliban'. He and his henchmen would drag young men off the street and then rape them until they coughed up information. Our American pride was sated by extracting a promise that this behavior would ONLY be used with the Taliban. Bachachan has been promoted through the ranks in the Afghan Police forces, and, with the withdrawal of US forces, his district has been sorely pressed by the Taliban (with plenty of local support). Again, its not like we were unaware of this guy's behavior.

Now stop for a second and imagine how an American community would react to having a police force that was dragging young men off the street and gang raping them into confessions and sometimes murdering them? Ferguson, MO would be a picnic. Yet was asked people in Afghanistan to accept this as BETTER than the Taliban?

In fact, time and time again, we ask local populations to reject our enemies. Yet the alternative we offer them is a bunch of corrupt goons whose sole purpose is to extract wealth from the local populace. We, with all our violent capabilities, do nothing about this. Not a thing. We often, in defiance of our own values, use of force to prop these guys up, breeding even more resentment.

To be fair, there are incredibly capable people in thee countries. I, for example, got to work with LTG Hussein Al-Awadi. His resurrection of the National Police is proof positive of what happens when honorable men lead local forces. To our credit, we supported LTG Hussein, but I am still trying to figure out why we spent so much effort on LTG Ali-Gadan?

The question is what to do about all of this? I will submit that we are very, very good at removing bad guys. I will submit that 'bad guys' include those would nominally sign up for our side, but do so only to extract wealth from us and their own people. We have the ability to make these guys go away. We have the ability to do it with plausible deniability (locals must be pissed about his corruption, eh?)

Why aren't we?

Why are we instead fostering regimes ripe with corruption? Regimes that steal our efforts our from under us, even as our enemies cannot defeat us on the battlefield? Why do we ask local people to choose between brutal regimes and corrupt and brutal regimes?

If the US is serious about tackling issues in the ME and Afghanistan, then it needs to focus less on kinetics and more about rooting out the fifth column of corrupt 'leaders' sitting right next to us and undermining everything we are doing. Simply put, why we let Ali-Gadan extract wealth from the force WE created for almost a decade, leaving a hollow shell behind, is incomprehensible. It took the fall of Mosul and the complete collapse of the Iraqi ground forces to 'see' the damage he did. Yet no where is this being talked about, even as we 'retrain' and 'rebuild' the Iraqi forces to take on ISIS.

Maybe we should deal with the larger problem of corruption first?
 

Ranger25

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Over the years I have watched in general amazement as our Special Operations Forces have travelled around the world an whacked every two bit wannabe terrorist in the world. The good news is that we are very, very good at this sort of thing. The problem?

ww.nytimes.com/2015/08/30/magazine/the-lessons-of-anwar-al-awlaki.html?_r=0

It is not making one lick of difference. In fact, in places like Yemen where Answr al-Awlaki and his Al Qaeda cohorts were targeted the result was not a safer Yemen ... it was the collapse of Yemen into something chaotic. The same can be seen happening in Iraq/Syria where our efforts against ISIS have had almost no effect and a retiring Chief of Staff of the Army acknowledges that we may have to consider partition of Iraq. Afghanistan isn't doing much better despite over a decade of taking out low and high level Taliban, with the Taliban recently seizing terrain in Southern Afghanistan.

So what is the problem? Why isn't all this effort is eliminating bad guys producing the results that it SHOULD produce? The answer? We are not dealing with ALL the bad guys.

Let me share with you LTG Ali-Gadan, the Iraqi Ground Forces Commander. A man that controlled all Iraqi ground forces outside of Baghdad when I first met him in 2008. To call the man corrupt would be a statement of fact, but would hardly begin to encapsulate the sheer magnitude of what this man stole. In one case, meeting a new tribal chief (himself something of a mafia figure), we walked into his house and LTG Gadan decided he liked the man's chandelier - and promptly had his henchmen jump up on a table and remove it (right in front of his American Advisors).

The upshot is that we spent billions building a credible Iraqi force that collapsed in 2014 when a couple of hundred ISIS fighters appeared. Why? Because for the previous six years, a collection of corrupt men like LTG Gadan were soaking their own forces. Medical supplies? Too easy to push into the black market and the officers get their appropriate cut, Soldiers go without. Gas is too easy to dilute or simply not deliver, and Soldiers go without. Food budgets are way too easy to skim, and Soldiers are left to either starve are tap into their own paychecks (which are often skimmed as well). Buildings can be skimped on, leaving the Soldiers in shoddy conditions. The corruption was all present and invasive. The Soldiers knew it.

So when they were attacked? They knew their corrupt officers (Not all mind you, but a good chunk) were the first to flee, and so they did too - leaving ISIS with billions of dollars of military equipment. (Sounds like Basra eight years earlier, guess who the IGFC CDR was?) It's not like we didn't know that massive corruption was a problem, but can we acknowledge what a massive strategic failure it is to create a military force whose sole purpose seems to be to allow corrupt men to hollow it our for their own profit?

Afghanistan is no better. In Southern Afghanistan there is a man name Bachachan (Sp?). This is a man famous not just for corruption, but for the gang rape of 'arrested criminals' and 'Taliban'. He and his henchmen would drag young men off the street and then rape them until they coughed up information. Our American pride was sated by extracting a promise that this behavior would ONLY be used with the Taliban. Bachachan has been promoted through the ranks in the Afghan Police forces, and, with the withdrawal of US forces, his district has been sorely pressed by the Taliban (with plenty of local support). Again, its not like we were unaware of this guy's behavior.

Now stop for a second and imagine how an American community would react to having a police force that was dragging young men off the street and gang raping them into confessions and sometimes murdering them? Ferguson, MO would be a picnic. Yet was asked people in Afghanistan to accept this as BETTER than the Taliban?

In fact, time and time again, we ask local populations to reject our enemies. Yet the alternative we offer them is a bunch of corrupt goons whose sole purpose is to extract wealth from the local populace. We, with all our violent capabilities, do nothing about this. Not a thing. We often, in defiance of our own values, use of force to prop these guys up, breeding even more resentment.

To be fair, there are incredibly capable people in thee countries. I, for example, got to work with LTG Hussein Al-Awadi. His resurrection of the National Police is proof positive of what happens when honorable men lead local forces. To our credit, we supported LTG Hussein, but I am still trying to figure out why we spent so much effort on LTG Ali-Gadan?

The question is what to do about all of this? I will submit that we are very, very good at removing bad guys. I will submit that 'bad guys' include those would nominally sign up for our side, but do so only to extract wealth from us and their own people. We have the ability to make these guys go away. We have the ability to do it with plausible deniability (locals must be pissed about his corruption, eh?)

Why aren't we?

Why are we instead fostering regimes ripe with corruption? Regimes that steal our efforts our from under us, even as our enemies cannot defeat us on the battlefield? Why do we ask local people to choose between brutal regimes and corrupt and brutal regimes?

If the US is serious about tackling issues in the ME and Afghanistan, then it needs to focus less on kinetics and more about rooting out the fifth column of corrupt 'leaders' sitting right next to us and undermining everything we are doing. Simply put, why we let Ali-Gadan extract wealth from the force WE created for almost a decade, leaving a hollow shell behind, is incomprehensible. It took the fall of Mosul and the complete collapse of the Iraqi ground forces to 'see' the damage he did. Yet no where is this being talked about, even as we 'retrain' and 'rebuild' the Iraqi forces to take on ISIS.

Maybe we should deal with the larger problem of corruption first?



Gree, you hit the nail solidly on the head. Yes the US has exceeded in kinetics for the last century and a half. But how has it faired in follow through?

Other than the Marshall Plan and MacArthur's Japanese Constitution it hasn't ended well The current administration has no taste to make anything better, safer, freer, more Democratic, fewer bad guys. Nothing will change until if/when there's an occupant on Pennsylvania Avenue with a Fresh point of View, and how has an iota of respect for the military.
 
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ngatimozart

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Gree, you hit the nail solidly on the head. Yes the US has exceeded in kinetics for the last century and a half. But hiw has it faired in follow through?

Other than the Marshall Plan and MacArthur's Japanese Constitution it hasn't ended well The current administration has no taste to make anything better, safer, freer, more Democratic, fewer bad guys. Nothing will change until if/when there's an occupant on Pennsylvania Avenue with a Fresh point of View, and how has an iota of respect for the military.
The Marshall Plan and the occupation of and subsequent recovery of Japan and South Korea are the only examples of where the US has achieved a victory in war and followed through with a proper victory in peace and stability afterwards. Almost every other intervention since then that the US has committed, they have walked away from after any accords have been reached and / or the shooting has stopped. Hence the end result is that all the treasure and blood that the US has invested is wasted because of the lack of a follow through. Therefore the problems are not solved or mitigated, but continue to fester like a superating gangrenous wound, only too undertake a reemergence later requiring more treasure and blood.

It's not just the person that occupies the White House who needs a change of attitude and viewpoints, but Congress, the Pentagon and Dept of State as well. The whole political and govt bureaucratic establishment need to reassess their policies regarding this and seriously look at the past few successes and more failures since 1945. It has to be hearts and minds and hearts and minds is a long term project which carries on long past the last bullet being fired - many years past.
 

Twain

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Gree, you hit the nail solidly on the head. Yes the US has exceeded in kinetics for the last century and a half. But how has it faired in follow through?

Other than the Marshall Plan and MacArthur's Japanese Constitution it hasn't ended well The current administration has no taste to make anything better, safer, freer, more Democratic, fewer bad guys. Nothing will change until if/when there's an occupant on Pennsylvania Avenue with a Fresh point of View, and how has an iota of respect for the military.
I think hte Marshall Plan and the Japanese constitution are outliers for a couple major reasons.

1. Europe has a much stronger history of liberal democracy than much of the rest of the world

2. Japan and Germany were so thoroughly defeated that there was a national consensus to make significant changes.

IMO you can't impose democracy, human rights and traditional liberal freedoms from without and that is why there have been more failures than successes. Something the US (and some other countries) need to realize. Without a national will to sustain democracy on their own, I don't think it will work.

Additionally, I think there are a few requirements for democracy to succeed and sustain itself.

1. A certain minimum respect for the law. i.e you have to have the will and laws to control corruption, voting rights, human rights etc.

2. The loyalty of the people has to be primarily to the nation as a whole rather than to tribes, sects, provinces etc.

3. You have to be willing to fight for democracy. I'm not saying that you have to fight to sustain it, but you have to be willing to fight.

4. As a country, you have to have moved beyond fulfilling the base of the pyramid in Maslow's Heirarchy





I'm a firm believer in maslow's heirarchy of needs. I don't see how democracy can succeed if at least the 2-3 levels of the pyramid aren't met. Realistically, if a government can't provide for basic needs, people aren't going to be concerned with the type of government, they just want safety and security and will follow whoever provides that.

I think these points are why the US has failed so many times in nation building, we've tried to put a democracy in place where the requirements of democracy and basic needs of the people aren't addressed first. Unfortunately US politics are such that the US believes that if we just show people the benefits, they will automatically change their views, when in reality many of these people have very different priorities than we presume.

This is not to say I don't believe a democratic-capitalist system (with all it's warts and flaws) isn't the best system for a developed or semi developed country. It most certainly is, it's just not something that fits all situations. Politically though, the US would have a very hard time exporting any other system in this day and age. I guess you would say I have a realpolitik view of the world, even if it's not very popular in the US anymore.
 
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