Peru's future acquisitions plan- ground pound deluxe

drg

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Here:
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=43432
Proof positive you can find mil info in the unlikeliest of places. (and no I don't want to explain in detail what i just said, to anyone who will ask what i mean by 'unlikeliest'.)
But T-72M1s? Yech!
And re ATGMs I'm thinking that they will add to Russia's $8 billion+ kitty (just a hunch) with Metis-M or something.
 

ROCK45

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Peru $514 million dollars

I saw this to and it caught my eye but doesn't the money seem to low to really be effective? Too many years of little or no purchases has hurt their military and much more is needed to jump start it. Basically all the 70s equipment needs to go but where do you really start? I agree the T-72 route doesn't seem the route it would takes years of training and work up to deal with Chile's Leo I & IIs. Besides Chile's air power is the key and off-setting this I think is what should be addressed. It just takes money which I'm not sure Peru has to spend on it's military. I know Chile's F-16 A/Bs and F-5 IIIs are first rate fighters in their own right and their pilots are trained well but the Block-52 are their best. There are currently 10 so this number is a better goal to off-set then over 300+ Leo's. The terrain on the Chilean-Peruvian border favors air power over armor. I always read good things about Chile's AF and any Peruvian purchase would take time to work up. Maybe that natural gas field at Camisea will kick in for Peru.
 

ROCK45

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Peruvian update

I'm looking for a breakdown on these upgrades I can't seem to find what's being done. I thought Peru had (16) A models or 9.12 and (3) SE or 9.13 models? Maybe these Fulcrums can be brought up to or near Mig-29K models like the new Indian Fulcrums? One 9.12 model was lost in a training accident but I keep thinking 21 were bought? If anybody can help thanks


]Peru - Russia sign deal to repair MIG-29 fighter jets for $106 million[/B]
Living in Peru
Israel J. Ruiz
In an agreement signed between Peru and Russia, it was established the Andean country would invest $106 million in the reparation of a fleet of MIG-29 fighter jets, said Peru's Defense Minister, Ántero Flores-Aráoz.

According to an official press release, it was announced the agreement between Russia and Peru was signed in the presence of military personal, civil authorities and the country's Defense Minister on Tuesday at an Air Force base in Chiclayo, one of Peru's northern coastal cities.

"We're off to a good start in the recovery of the Armed Force's operative capacity and this agreement is a good sign of that," affirmed Defense Minister Flores-Aráoz, stating it had not been easy to negotiate the pact with Russia.

"We've established excellent conditions in this deal and because of that I don't doubt that our pilots, our technical personnel and Peru in general will feel proud of this step, which puts us on the path to having Armed Forces in appropriate operative conditions," Flores-Aráoz said.

Peru's Air Force has a nineteen MIG-29 fighter jets it purchased from Russia and Belarus in the late 90s.

It was announced that these nineteen jets are to be repaired under the "Basic Defense" program.

The program is to spend $654 million on these types of projects until 2011.

Link
http://www.livinginperu.com/news-71...n-deal-repair-mig-29-fighter-jets-106-million
 

ROCK45

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Repair

Thanks DefConGuru the article does say repair and not upgrade. I was hoping for upgrades Peru had those Fulcrums for years now, repairs are good don't get me wrong but there still older models. Looking at it now a little slower the money $106 million would doubled if not tripled for (19) SMT type upgrades.
 

contedicavour

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It would also be interesting to know if the Peruvian MIG29s operate R77 BVR missiles, now that Chile should get the AIM120s with its new F16 Block 52s.

cheers
 

Chuncho

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Hello guys,

Peruvian Air Force (FAP) has 19 MiG-29s from 21 original bought (18 MiG-29S from Belarus and 3 MiG-29SE from Russia) we lost 2 for atrition.

The 3 SE at this point can carry the RVV-AE (R-77); this new deal for around $106mill will UPGRADE and extend the life of the airframe another 20 yrs or so. The details of the upgrades are 'top secret' at this point but the speculation are that the FAP will look for a type between the SM and the SMT (we call it in Peru the SMP, P for Peru); we are assuming that the upgrades will include the following items:

1. Upgraded N019P, maybe the N019M1.
2. At least 1 LCD display.
3. New navigation, ECM, jammer and optronic systems.
4. Weapons like: RVV-AE, KH-31A/P, R-27ER/ET & KAB-500Kr.
5. Air refueling probe (either fixed or retractile).

I don't know if you guys speak and read spanish but I invite you to an excellent forum where we discuss all our armed forces as well as the other forces in the region. www.perudefensa.com

Sincerely,

Chuncho
 

contedicavour

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Hello guys,

Peruvian Air Force (FAP) has 19 MiG-29s from 21 original bought (18 MiG-29S from Belarus and 3 MiG-29SE from Russia) we lost 2 for atrition.

The 3 SE at this point can carry the RVV-AE (R-77); this new deal for around $106mill will UPGRADE and extend the life of the airframe another 20 yrs or so. The details of the upgrades are 'top secret' at this point but the speculation are that the FAP will look for a type between the SM and the SMT (we call it in Peru the SMP, P for Peru); we are assuming that the upgrades will include the following items:

1. Upgraded N019P, maybe the N019M1.
2. At least 1 LCD display.
3. New navigation, ECM, jammer and optronic systems.
4. Weapons like: RVV-AE, KH-31A/P, R-27ER/ET & KAB-500Kr.
5. Air refueling probe (either fixed or retractile).

I don't know if you guys speak and read spanish but I invite you to an excellent forum where we discuss all our armed forces as well as the other forces in the region. www.perudefensa.com

Sincerely,

Chuncho
Excellent contribution from you,thanks and welcome to this site !

Just one question : the update concerns only the 3 MIG 29 SEs or also the olders ex Belarus ones ?

cheers
 

contedicavour

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By the way I've gone to your site and since I can understand Spanish I read the thread on the replacement of the Grau cruiser of the Peruvian Navy. Verrrrry interesting. Thanks again for the link. For the moment being we can't sell you the De la Penne DDG or the Garibaldi CVS because we need them... but around 2014 with the first 2-3 FREMMs having entered service we can sell Maestrale FFGs that we could modernize before transfer.

cheers
 

Chuncho

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Thank you for the welcoming.

The upgrades are for all of the MiGs, of course the SE will received less funds due to it's more advance than the S, the idea is to put all of the 17 MiG-29s fighters in standard SMP (I'm subtracting the 2 UB trainers). Everything is going to be done in Chiclayo AB, 6th Air Group (northern of Peru) and the engines probably will be shipped to RAC MiG for overhaul.

Chuncho.
 

Chuncho

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By the way I've gone to your site and since I can understand Spanish I read the thread on the replacement of the Grau cruiser of the Peruvian Navy. Verrrrry interesting. Thanks again for the link. For the moment being we can't sell you the De la Penne DDG or the Garibaldi CVS because we need them... but around 2014 with the first 2-3 FREMMs having entered service we can sell Maestrale FFGs that we could modernize before transfer.

cheers
Thank you for taking the time to go there, it will be nice if you can register and post your comments... we always like ideas from other perspective, and for english speakers only we have several members that read and write in english.

Chuncho.
 

contedicavour

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Thank you for the welcoming.

The upgrades are for all of the MiGs, of course the SE will received less funds due to it's more advance than the S, the idea is to put all of the 17 MiG-29s fighters in standard SMP (I'm subtracting the 2 UB trainers). Everything is going to be done in Chiclayo AB, 6th Air Group (northern of Peru) and the engines probably will be shipped to RAC MiG for overhaul.

Chuncho.
Ok very clear thanks. With these updated MIGs it evens chances with Chile's new F16s and you are better equipped than Brazil ... their ex French Mirage 2000 do not carry MICA fire and forget BVR missiles and the Derby on the modernized F5s have a much lower range than R77.

cheers
 

contedicavour

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Thank you for taking the time to go there, it will be nice if you can register and post your comments... we always like ideas from other perspective, and for english speakers only we have several members that read and write in english.

Chuncho.
Oops I fear I read too many pages of yor site because it is now suspending me temporarily - too long connection ;)
I'm a bit short of time lately but if I'll have something useful to contribute I'll either go register or share with you my thoughts !

cheers
 

ROCK45

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Peru

Hi Chuncho and welcome to the site. Thank you for your helpful information I'm a Mig-29 fan and interest in aircraft upgrades. I follow South American topics and was wondering is Peru doing anything with their Mirage 2000-Ps and Su-25Ts?


A few more Peruvian AF questions
Would Peru deal with Belarus anymore or only with Russia now?
Are Peru's Mirage V's flyable but just in storage or are repairs needed?
What current anti-ship platforms does Peru currently have and missiles used?

I'm always interested in aircraft vs. aircraft stories and was wondering if their any information on Peruvians squadrons training against each other I could read. Mirage against Fulcrum?

Has France ever tried selling Peru Rafale's?

Thanks
 

Chuncho

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Ok very clear thanks. With these updated MIGs it evens chances with Chile's new F16s and you are better equipped than Brazil ... their ex French Mirage 2000 do not carry MICA fire and forget BVR missiles and the Derby on the modernized F5s have a much lower range than R77.

cheers
The idea is to create the MiG-29 fleet a more defensive multirol fighters to gain air superiority to the F-16. The MiG-29s was originally build to beat the Falcon so I think the upgrades will be a good deterrent to keep the balance in the region.

In regards of BVR missiles, Peru was the first country in the region to carry those missiles (RVV-AE), now Venezuela (RVV-AE) and Chile (AIM-120) carries them as well as Brasil, per one of our members in Perudefensa.com Brasil already have Super530s and Derbys.

Right now what the FAP requires urgently is funds to upgrade our M2000P/DPs, and seems that we would not have those funds for a couple of years (at least) due to the high cost the french charge for upgrades and due to politics.

Chuncho
 
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Chuncho

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Hi Chuncho and welcome to the site. Thank you for your helpful information I'm a Mig-29 fan and interest in aircraft upgrades. I follow South American topics and was wondering is Peru doing anything with their Mirage 2000-Ps and Su-25Ts?


A few more Peruvian AF questions
Would Peru deal with Belarus anymore or only with Russia now?
Are Peru's Mirage V's flyable but just in storage or are repairs needed?
What current anti-ship platforms does Peru currently have and missiles used?

I'm always interested in aircraft vs. aircraft stories and was wondering if their any information on Peruvians squadrons training against each other I could read. Mirage against Fulcrum?

Has France ever tried selling Peru Rafale's?

Thanks
Hello Rock45,

In my previous post I talked about the M2000P/DP, in regards of the Su-25 (actually we have 10 Su-25A & 8 Su-25UB) there are plans to upgrade 8 planes but no contract has been sign yet, I hope that happens soon.

Right now our MoD prefer the relationship straight with the manufacturer, for example, in the MiGs contract we dealt straight with RAC (not even with Rosoboronexport) saving us $20mill; I think that the FAP will deal with Sukhoi instead of Belarus. Right now the Mirage5s are in storage, I think they are airworthy; also we are assuming that later the FAP will put them for sale (around 10 - 12 planes) but this is no official though. In regards of the missiles and anti-ships platforms we don't have a plane specific for that, once the MiGs are fully upgraded & operational they will be able to carry anti-ship missiles, I hope that the M2Ks once upgrade it (if happens) will carry those missiles too.

I doubt it that France offered Rafales to us, right know those airplanes are out of our leagues, to expensive for us.
 
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Chuncho

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Thanks Chuncho just read a article on how MIG going into the "red' mainly because of the Algerian deal going bad hope Peru's upgrades don't get effective.

Link to article
MiG to Fly to UAC Burdened by Debts

http://www.kommersant.com/p1011717/r_529/MiG_liabilities/
I doubt it that the upgrades will go wrong, the issues with Algeria are more political than the upgrades itself. Algeria is claiming that the airframes are used and old (due to political pressure) and the Russians stated that the airframes are new/never used (in storage for a few years) and guarantee by RAC MiG 100%. Another thing is that Peru is pursuing a joint venture to install a certified Mil helicopter repair plant, looks like the contract will be completed by the end of the year.
 

ROCK45

New Member
Rumor

A friend of mine mentioned that Peru might be a little interested in purchasing 18 second hand Su-27SK Heavy fighter Jets. I look around but didn't see anything on this and was wonder if anybody may have heard such a rumor? Thanks
 

Chuncho

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A friend of mine mentioned that Peru might be a little interested in purchasing 18 second hand Su-27SK Heavy fighter Jets. I look around but didn't see anything on this and was wonder if anybody may have heard such a rumor? Thanks
Those are just rumors. Peru at this point only have money to cover the recent upgrades for the MiGs, and other urgent necessities of our armed forces based on a budget approved in this government for around $650mill until 2011. Definitively there is no plans to buy planes at least after 2011 - 2013.
 
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