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guys check this:

http://www.ptinews.com/ptiptisite.nsf/0/5B8026A017FDA7DF652574A100239DFC?OpenDocument

New Delhi, Aug 10 (PTI) With India's aspiration to operate a nuclear submarine likely to be fulfilled next year with Russian-made Akula set to join the fleet, the Indian Navy is pitching for a submarine-launched nuclear missile to boost the nation's deterrence capabilities.
"With nuclear proliferation posing a greater threat along with Weapons of Mass Destruction, our unilateral policy of no-first-use necessitates that India possesses a credible and survivable nuclear deterrent including submarine-launched," Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta said yesterday while delivering a lecture on Navy's vision for the future.

India had in February this year tested a submarine-launched ballistic missile for the first time that would take another three years to be fully operational.

After a delay, Akula nuclear-powered submarine is likely to join service with Indian Navy next year, Mehta said, pointing out that the Navy would basically use the Russian-made submarine for training in personnel before they get to operate the indigenous nuclear-powered submarine that is under secret construction at the Mazagaon Docks in Mumbai.

"Though it is an operational submarine, Akula will be basically used for training Naval operators before they get to operate our indigenous nuclear-powered submarine," the Navy chief said.

A DRDO project, the indigenous nuclear-powered submarine project, codenamed Advanced Technology Vehicle, is said to be well set for sea trials two years from now. PTI
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Awsome news !!. But how many are we going to get?
previously i had heard rumours about getting 3 akulas.
 
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kay_man said:
Awsome news !!. But how many are we going to get?
previously i had heard rumours about getting 3 akulas.
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The deal is reminiscent of the Indian loan of a Soviet Charlie Class back in the 1990s.

Speculation centres on a 10 year loan of 1 Akula, the 2006-launched Nerpa being the possible SSN selected. Jane's Fighting Ships claims the sub will be named Chakra.

It will surely provide excellent training and experience for the eventual ATV.
 
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hey guys,great news here ,it seems that the indian navy has decided to go for the p-8i mma aircraft,the price negotiation commitee has now submitted its report.

heer is the link and the article:

http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-...TypeId=1073754893&contentType=EDITORIAL&BV_ID=@@@

New Delhi: India has inched closer to acquiring the Boeing P8I maritime patrol aircraft from the US that will give it a marked edge in the Indian Ocean region, with the contract negotiating committee completing its report on price negotiations, a defence official says.

"The report was prepared after negotiations with the company on the commercial price. The negotiations followed after Boeing won the technical bid and the trials of the product," the official said on condition of anonymity.

"The contract, estimated to cost around $2.2 billion, will now go to the defence acquisition committee (DAC) and then to the cabinet committee on security (CCS)."

The defence ministry has been conducting the negotiations on behalf of the Indian Navy and the contract is likely to be inked in New Delhi later this year.

Now that the central government has managed to survive without the Left parties, there is no fear of dealing with the US on this front, the official said.

"With its apprehensions about instability receding, the United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government is rushing the deal," the official added.

The contract, when signed, will be unique in that it will not be conducted under the US foreign military sales (FMS) programme but as a direct commercial agreement between the Boeing company and the Indian Navy.

The negotiations on the deal were stuck due to India's reluctance to sign the end-user agreement, under which the company can conduct physical inspections of the aircraft as and when it wants to check if the product is being used for the purpose it has been acquired.

"However, the defence ministry separated the negotiations on the end user agreement from the deal," the official said.

The P8I is based on the hugely successful Boeing 737 commercial airliner and the first aircraft is currently under construction at Renton in Washington. Its first flight will take place early in 2009 and the first of the 108 aircraft the US Navy has ordered will be delivered in the third quarter of 2009.

"India will be able to leverage on the substantial investment made in the P8I by the US Navy without having to pay for the development costs," Richard Buck, Boeing's international programme manager for the P8I, told a group of visiting Indian journalists at the company's production facility here.

"Under the RFP (request for proposal) of the Indian Navy, the first aircraft has to be delivered within 48 months of the contract being signed and the remaining within an eight-year time frame," Buck said.

The Indian Navy had, at one stage, contemplated leasing a few Lockheed Martin P3 Orion aircraft as an immediate replacement for its ageing fleet of Soviet-era Il-38 maritime reconnaissance aircraft but dropped the idea in favour of the next generation P8I that has been customised for India.

Besides, there is commonality with the three Boeing Business jets that the Indian Air Force has purchased "and there is, therefore, life cycle cost compatibility", Buck said.

"To add to this, Boeing's worldwide logistics, maintenance and training support facilities are already in place," he said.
 
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Guys this is something to cheer about:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com..._US_competition_award/articleshow/3352738.cms

Delhi engineering students win US competition award
11 Aug, 2008, 1740 hrs IST, PTI

NEW DELHI: A team of undergraduates of the Delhi College of Engineering (DCE) has bagged the "Most Improved Design Award" for 2008 in a US-based tech competition organised to design a new-generation robotic submarine which can have a wider application in the defence field.

"The award is the first for any educational institute in the country," claimed head of DCE's Centre for Fibre Optics Research R K Sinha, adding that the overall position of the college stood at ninth place in the competition International Autonomous Underwater Vehicle Competition.

Notably, DCE was the only team from the country participating in the competition organised by the Association for Vehicle System International and the Office of the Naval Research, USA, at San Diego from July 29 to August 3.

In all, about 40 teams representing well-known institutes from across the world took part in the event. They included MIT, Georgia Tech, Cornell and Kyusho University of Japan among others.

University of Maryland clinched the pole position. Sinha said the robotic submarine codenamed "vehicle for autonomous research and underwater navigation" is capable of diving to a predetermined depth, identify patterns and follow underwater pipelines using unique machine vision.

Besides, it can determine sound sources by acoustic navigation, deploy payloads and can surface at any given position without human assistance.
 
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niteshkjain

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Guys check this. Rotary UAV's now :)

http://www.flightglobal.com/article...s-to-convert-indian-cheetaks-to-unmanned.html

Heron flight controls to convert Indian Cheetaks to unmanned configuration
By Arie Egozi
The Indian ministry of defence and Israel Aerospace Industries are close to signing a contract to convert Indian-made Chetak helicopters to unmanned platforms for use on India's navy ships.
Prime contractor will be Hindustan Aeronautics, which will also invest in the full-scale development of the conversion kit. IAI has recently demonstrated its capability to convert a helicopter into a naval rotary unmanned air vehicle (NRUAV) system for combat ships.
IAI will remove the helicopters' integral avionics suites and replace them with a flight-control system as used on its Heron UAV. This system allows fully autonomous flight, including take-off and landing. The conversion kit has been tested on a Bell 206 and on an Aerospatiale Alouette 3.
IAI claims that the lightweight flight-control system allows the NRUAV to carry extra fuel, giving the helicopter in its unmanned configuration an endurance of 5.5h and operational radius of 120km (65nm) from the mother ship.
 
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tphuang

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aaaditya said:
hey guys,great news here ,it seems that the indian navy has decided to go for the p-8i mma aircraft,the price negotiation commitee has now submitted its report.

heer is the link and the article:

http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-...TypeId=1073754893&contentType=EDITORIAL&BV_ID=@@@

New Delhi: India has inched closer to acquiring the Boeing P8I maritime patrol aircraft from the US that will give it a marked edge in the Indian Ocean region, with the contract negotiating committee completing its report on price negotiations, a defence official says.

"The report was prepared after negotiations with the company on the commercial price. The negotiations followed after Boeing won the technical bid and the trials of the product," the official said on condition of anonymity.

"The contract, estimated to cost around $2.2 billion, will now go to the defence acquisition committee (DAC) and then to the cabinet committee on security (CCS)."

The defence ministry has been conducting the negotiations on behalf of the Indian Navy and the contract is likely to be inked in New Delhi later this year.

Now that the central government has managed to survive without the Left parties, there is no fear of dealing with the US on this front, the official said.

"With its apprehensions about instability receding, the United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government is rushing the deal," the official added.

The contract, when signed, will be unique in that it will not be conducted under the US foreign military sales (FMS) programme but as a direct commercial agreement between the Boeing company and the Indian Navy.

The negotiations on the deal were stuck due to India's reluctance to sign the end-user agreement, under which the company can conduct physical inspections of the aircraft as and when it wants to check if the product is being used for the purpose it has been acquired.

"However, the defence ministry separated the negotiations on the end user agreement from the deal," the official said.

The P8I is based on the hugely successful Boeing 737 commercial airliner and the first aircraft is currently under construction at Renton in Washington. Its first flight will take place early in 2009 and the first of the 108 aircraft the US Navy has ordered will be delivered in the third quarter of 2009.

"India will be able to leverage on the substantial investment made in the P8I by the US Navy without having to pay for the development costs," Richard Buck, Boeing's international programme manager for the P8I, told a group of visiting Indian journalists at the company's production facility here.

"Under the RFP (request for proposal) of the Indian Navy, the first aircraft has to be delivered within 48 months of the contract being signed and the remaining within an eight-year time frame," Buck said.

The Indian Navy had, at one stage, contemplated leasing a few Lockheed Martin P3 Orion aircraft as an immediate replacement for its ageing fleet of Soviet-era Il-38 maritime reconnaissance aircraft but dropped the idea in favour of the next generation P8I that has been customised for India.

Besides, there is commonality with the three Boeing Business jets that the Indian Air Force has purchased "and there is, therefore, life cycle cost compatibility", Buck said.

"To add to this, Boeing's worldwide logistics, maintenance and training support facilities are already in place," he said.
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wow, that's 280 million per P-8I. Is that the cost of just the plane or does that include servicing and support?
 
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2S1 said:
The deal is reminiscent of the Indian loan of a Soviet Charlie Class back in the 1990s.

Speculation centres on a 10 year loan of 1 Akula, the 2006-launched Nerpa being the possible SSN selected. Jane's Fighting Ships claims the sub will be named Chakra.

It will surely provide excellent training and experience for the eventual ATV.
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It does indeed remind us of the Charlie class SSN in the 90s though in time it was returned and I've never really understood what contribution that made back then. So now the IN will operate an almost new Akula but will it really help to make the secretive ATV programme advance ? I'm sceptical, unless the ATV will eventually prove to be a clone of the Russian SSN...

cheers
 
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tphuang said:
wow, that's 280 million per P-8I. Is that the cost of just the plane or does that include servicing and support?
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i believe it includes the cost of servicing and support also,besides the spares of the boeing aircraft and its maintainence facilities are already available in india.
 
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niteshkjain

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Good move by IN

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/india-begins-naval-games-with-france-africa/71411-3.html

India begins naval games with France, Africa

New Delhi: Continuing with its policy of constructively engaging countries in West Asia and Africa to make its presence felt in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR), India has sent four of its major warships to the Red Sea and the African coast on a two-month-long deployment.

"The Indian ships will be present in the IOR for a while, doing some flag showing and also engaging in naval diplomacy with some port calls, mid-sea exercises and interaction with personnel from the navies of the West Asian countries and the African continent," a top Navy official said.

The Indian warships--INS Delhi, INS Talwar, INS Godavari and INS Aditya-- will simultaneously be visiting countries and ports all along the eastern African coast and some ports in the Red Sea, apart from exercising with the French navy in the Gulf.

The ships from Indian Western Naval Command began their journey end of July and is only expected to come back to Indian shores in mid-September, the official said.

Delhi and Talwar have already completed their visit to Safaga port in Egypt in Red Sea between August 5 and 8, while Godavari and Aditya sailed to Refaet-al-Assad in Syria.

The ships would now be sailing Mombasa, the second largest port-city of Kenya, Darasalam in Nigeria, other east African ports and a couple of ports in Madagascar Island and Mauritius.

"With India's economic interest in West Asia and African region increasing, Navy will be playing its diplomatic role by visiting more ports all along the coast of eastern Africa, touching the Horn of Africa," the official said.

Apart from exercise with the French Navy, the Indian warships would also have Passage Exercises (Passex) with other navies off the ports during the course of their deployment in the region.

"Most of the navies in eastern Africa are small in size compared to the Indian Navy. What we would be aiming during these interaction is to give them the confidence that India would come to their aid whenever there is a need, considering that we have enough experience in all aspects of naval operations, be it military, diplomatic, policing or benign" the official said.

India would also conduct exercises with other navies during the deployment, related to Human Assistance and Disaster Relief (HADR) and Search and Rescue (SAR) operations "to both train them and to learn from them."

Once the Indian ships reach Mauritius, they would also tow a Naval ship of the island nation to Kochi for refit and repair. "The Mauritian ship is from the Indian naval service.

It was given to Mauritius for their use and we have an agreement with them for the ship's regular refit and repair. This towing of the Maurutian ship is under that agreement," the officer added.

Navy has been engaging the navies of the IOR for a few years now regularly and it has been especially focusing on the West Asian countries and the African continent on the western sea board. That apart, the Navy has been engaging other navies in the eastern front too.
 
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kay_man

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niteshkjain said:
Good move by IN

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/india-begins-naval-games-with-france-africa/71411-3.html



"Most of the navies in eastern Africa are small in size compared to the Indian Navy. What we would be aiming during these interaction is to give them the confidence that India would come to their aid whenever there is a need, considering that we have enough experience in all aspects of naval operations, be it military, diplomatic, policing or benign" the official said.

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Any clash of interests regarding the african and asian coutries is likely to be regaring oil resources. in which case the probable clash would be against USA or CHINA. is it advisable to use navy here?
coz both the countries have huge millitaries and i dont think posing indian navy ships ( although impressive) wud make them change their stance.
 
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contedicavour said:
It does indeed remind us of the Charlie class SSN in the 90s though in time it was returned and I've never really understood what contribution that made back then. So now the IN will operate an almost new Akula but will it really help to make the secretive ATV programme advance ? I'm sceptical, unless the ATV will eventually prove to be a clone of the Russian SSN...

cheers
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Since it's the IN intention to acquire/build their own SSN it makes perfect sense to lease and SSN to train personnel. It not just a question of acquiring technology (I feel it has little to do with this), but mainly for the operational experience, tactics, logistics support, etc. that comes with an SSN in the fleet. I find it remarkable that Russia and India have this unique relationship with SSN's. Nothing like it elsewhere.

As far as the Charlie SSGN in the 90's, there mostly likely was a huge slide in the IN SSN/SSGN acquisition program (which we see coming about now-a-days) since late 90's worldwide economies were dismal.
 
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niteshkjain said:
Apart from exercise with the French Navy, the Indian warships would also have Passage Exercises (Passex) with other navies off the ports during the course of their deployment in the region.

"Most of the navies in eastern Africa are small in size compared to the Indian Navy. What we would be aiming during these interaction is to give them the confidence that India would come to their aid whenever there is a need, considering that we have enough experience in all aspects of naval operations, be it military, diplomatic, policing or benign" the official said.

India would also conduct exercises with other navies during the deployment, related to Human Assistance and Disaster Relief (HADR) and Search and Rescue (SAR) operations "to both train them and to learn from them."

Navy has been engaging the navies of the IOR for a few years now regularly and it has been especially focusing on the West Asian countries and the African continent on the western sea board. That apart, the Navy has been engaging other navies in the eastern front too.
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Very good indeed. This promises increasing joint naval operations for the Indian Ocean. Great to see India acquiring more roles in HADR and SAR. I feel this will pave the way for bigger and better things for the Indian Navy.
 
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niteshkjain

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One more good move:

http://outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?gid=73&id=600994

Aiming to boost India's 'Look East' policy, Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta will hold talks with Japanese and South Korean Defence officials during his visit to the two countries beginning tomorrow, while Indian naval ships will engage in wargaming with Japanese ships off Mumbai coast this monthend.

During his 10-day visit, Mehta will be in Japan till August 24 where he would meet its Defence Minister Shigaro Ishiba and Vice Minister Kohei Mansouda, apart from its defence forces' top naval officers Admiral Takeshi Saito and Admiral Eiji Yoshil, a top naval officer said here today.

The Navy chief would touch base at Tokyo, Yokosuka, Yokohama, Hiroshima and Koyoto during the five-day stay in Japan, where he would visit frontline warships and shipyards, in an effort to build relations between the two countries in this critical area of infrastructure.

While Mehta is in Japan, the Far East country's warships Kashima, Ashari and Umigari will be passing through Arabian Sea off Mumbai and would engage Indian warships in a bilateral naval exercise from August 23 to 26.

The Japanese Defence Ships (JDS) would match their capabilities during an advanced Passage Exercise (Passex) with a Delhi-class destroyer and a Corvette from India, as the former pass through Indian waters on their way back to their home ports after a visit to the Gulf.

While JDS Ashari and Umigari are 2,500-tonne destroyers carrying Harpoons, Surface-to-Air missiles, JDS Kashima is a naval training ship.

The two Indian warships would carry out cross deck and flying exercises with the Japanese ships.
 
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aaaditya

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niteshkjain said:
Guys check this info, good move indeed:


Indian Navy buys Australian Minesweeping System
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thats an interesting development,i wonder wether this decision will influence the decision of the indian navy regarding which type of mcmv platform to acquire,an italian design is in consideration,a variant of which is in service with the australian navy(i believe it is called as the huon class,though iam not quite sure).
 
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niteshkjain

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now check this, more of a treat :)

http://www.domain-b.com/aero/mil_avi/miss_muni/20080820_BrahMos.html

Indian Navy's follow-on submarine order to carry BrahMos cruise missiles news

20 August 2008

Indian Navy's next order for seven submarines, a follow-on order to the six French-designed Scorpenes already under various stages of construction at French and Indian shipyards, will all be armed with the sub-surface version of the Indo-Russian supersonic BrahMos cruise missile. This was stated by Alexander Dergachev, chairman of board of directors of the BrahMos Aerospace joint-venture.
Expressing the hope that the submarine order would be placed soon enough Dergachev said,
''The missiles will be made for submarines of the Indian Navy. The nearest order is seven submarines. We do not know yet when exactly it is going to happen. I hope soon.''

Dergachev was speaking at a press conference called to highlight the completion of ten years of the highly successful Indo-Russian BrahMos Aerospace joint venture. He also said that Russia and other countries of the world would participate in the tender, which would stipulate carriage of the BrahMos cruise missile as part of the submarine's armament.

Dr Sivathanu Pillai, chief executive of the joint venture, stated that Indian armed forces have already placed a $2 billion order for the missiles. The BrahMos cruise missile is already available in different land-to-land, sea-to-land and sea-to-sea versions.
A submarine launched and an air-to-surface version are ready for testing but await suitable platforms for carrying out the tests. While the air force is carrying out suitable modifications on Su-30MKI fighters to carry the missile, the Indian Navy has not indicated when it would make a modified submarine available for testing the sub-surface version.

BrahMos Aerospace was established in 1998 to design, develop, produce and market a unique supersonic cruise missile.Operating at a speed of Mach 2.8, it is the world's only supersonic cruise missile. While the propulsion is based on the Russian Yakhont missile, the guidance system has been developed by BrahMos Aerospace.

Between late 2004 and early 2008, the missile has undergone several tests from variety of platforms including a land based test at India's Pokhran firing range, where the missile performed the S- maneuver at Mach 2.8 for the Indian Army.

The missile has also been tested as a sea-to-land version recently.

The joint venture involves India's Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) and Russia's NPO Mashinostroeyenia.
 
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niteshkjain

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India Today has article on page 46 on INS chakra, next year is going to be eventful

http://emagazine.digitaltoday.in/indiatodayenglish/01092008/home.aspx

*ATV to be launched in Visakhapatnam on Jan 26, 2009
* The Chakra to be inducted into the navy on Aug 15 , 2009
* ATV is a modified Akula-1 class submarine , the aim is to field 3 ATV by 2015 ,
* ATV will be the first submarine equipped with Brahmos missile and the indigenous 700 km range K-15 missile ( 12 K-15 or 16 Brahmos )
* The Chakra is a modified Akula-II class submarine
* ATV is powered by a single indigenously build nuclear reactor.
* Three ATV is under construction , hull fabrication and integration is completed on the first ATV , it will be on trail for 2 years
 
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tphuang

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niteshkjain said:
India Today has article on page 46 on INS chakra, next year is going to be eventful

http://emagazine.digitaltoday.in/indiatodayenglish/01092008/home.aspx

*ATV to be launched in Visakhapatnam on Jan 26, 2009
* The Chakra to be inducted into the navy on Aug 15 , 2009
* ATV is a modified Akula-1 class submarine , the aim is to field 3 ATV by 2015 ,
* ATV will be the first submarine equipped with Brahmos missile and the indigenous 700 km range K-15 missile ( 12 K-15 or 16 Brahmos )
* The Chakra is a modified Akula-II class submarine
* ATV is powered by a single indigenously build nuclear reactor.
* Three ATV is under construction , hull fabrication and integration is completed on the first ATV , it will be on trail for 2 years
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interesting, the part on ATV sounds entirely different from what we've been hearing about it. And it's hard to imagine you would develop a SSBN as a modified SSN. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
 
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tphuang said:
interesting, the part on ATV sounds entirely different from what we've been hearing about it. And it's hard to imagine you would develop a SSBN as a modified SSN. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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I'd suggest the "stretched astute" as an example if i didn't know that it used the same reactor as the Vanguards, and as such has a similar beam. Its more an SSN developed from an SSBN then anything else. ;)

I do wonder why the Akula I was used and not the Akula II, then again, they could be referring to the typhoon class which i believe the russians call the Akula?
 
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All RN Nuclear Subs use the same Reactor family.

TBPH, all SSBNs are modified SSNs at the end of the day-and the RN is even going back to basics it seems for the Vanguard replacement.

It is going to be interesting next year to see what the Indian ATV is related to design wise.
 
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