are you sure because i rember reading somewhere that the LPXs runway was being covered in Uraethean heat proofing
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contedicavour
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That's the material used to protect the deck from the heat of the Harrier's engine isn't it ?
Still from what I've read I don't think there is space to keep Harriers or F35s aboard (the hangar's too small) so the ship could only temporarily support jets.
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Oh, SSNs are just part of my wild imagination, of course
No plans on them yet either. U214s are great but in terms of endurance and speed they can't keep up with a Taskforce moving at 20+ knots. To provide the Taskforce(or Mobile Fleet as ROKN puts it) with adequate cover from underwater threats I don't think 214s would be quite enough.
Current ROKN submarine plans are 9 U214s by 2020 and 3 domestically developed 3000t subs. No plans for an SSN as they have neither the funding or the technology yet to build a nuclear sub.
yes it is and i can't think why they coat the deck with with heat proofing material.
also how similar are the dimensions between the DDH and the LPX they both seem very close in dimensions and size and seem to unable to carry V/STOL aircraft
contedicavour
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From what I've seen the Japanese DDH are a few thousand tons heavier and 20 metres longer. Not much difference in size. However if I'm not wrong the DDH have big hangars that could hold a good complement of helos and VSTOL jets. LPX lacks this as space is given as a priority to LCAC/LCUs and vehicles for the Marines.
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the DDH air group has varied from 4 E101's and 7 S70 from the start and seems to have increased in size in each publication i have seen although the hanger drawings i have seen looks capable about 18+- Helos.
of course Conti you know that the moment they put V/STOL's on deck it becomes a carrier and that is braking the constitution and not to mention the reaction Asia:vamp .
No it is not breaking the constitution! Or at least, not more than having a navy of any kind.
I have read the Japanese constitution (it's on the internet, in English, on at least two Japanese government sites), & there is nothing - absolutely nothing - in it relating to weapons of any particular type. Aircraft carriers, whatever - it doesn't matter - there is not one single word in the constitution about types of weapon. On one interpretation, the constitution forbids Japan from maintaining any armed forces. On another interpretation, it bars Japan from starting any wars. But nothing about specific weapons.
4 helicopters is the number which can operate simultaneously (16DDH has 4 spots, in the official drawings), so is the minimum that it could possibly be credible to say it operates. Obviously, it can operate more. Hangar space for a lot more.
contedicavour
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I guess a way to limit angry reactions from neighbours is to equip potential Harriers or F35Bs aboard with air to air missiles only. It's only symbolic as the jets are more than ready to carry air to ship and air to ground missiles, still it might help.
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Ah that is interesting i thought Japan and Germany both couldn't have carriers due to the contusions. but i still think all the Japan hating nationalists would be going Ape Sh**t if F35B were carried especially SK and i wouldn't want to guess the China's reaction.
again conti nice idea but from seeing Asia [SK and China] reaction to the Japanese's school books i can only guess want F35s on the DDH would produce unless it was secret
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I think you're right there.
Whoa there, I don't think I'm a Japan hating nationalist but I'd go Ape Sh**t if Japan were to get itself F35s. Please, this borders dangerously close to racism. Indeed as a South Korean I feel insulted even.
And on the school books, I think we have legitimate reasons to be worried. Please don't disregard the concerns as mere zeal.
Oh and Japanese MSDF carrying fighter jets on its ships is quite frightening. It would equip the JMSDF with a much more offensive capabilities. I think its understandable why we'd go nuts over it.
trainedmonkey
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I think its understandable that countries like South Korea and China are worried about Japan being "rearmed" and I personally dont like Japan changing their textbooks to edit out the crimes committed in WW2. But why cant Japan be able to have a proper military after all these years? As Waylander said, Germany is not restricted in their weapons, Italy has aircraft carriers, so why cant Japan be able to have a few F-35b's? I really am curious. Also, Japan has F-15, possiblly F-15 E's or Eurofighters soon, wouldnt these (in a purely hypothetical war between Japan and SK) be more effective anyway?
But just as a question, Daewon, as a South Korean, would South Koreans feel more threatened by say the Chinese Varyag, if they commision it, or some Japanese F-35b's?
This wasnt meant to offend anyone, I just find it weird that people think Japan shouldn't be allowed to have a proper defence force, while say Germany can.
But just as a question, Daewon, as a South Korean, would South Koreans feel more threatened by say the Chinese Varyag, if they commision it, or some Japanese F-35b's?
This wasnt meant to offend anyone, I just find it weird that people think Japan shouldn't be allowed to have a proper defence force, while say Germany can.
I believe you already said the answer in your own post. The difference between the two is Germany admitted her wrong doing and shows the whole world her regrets and really shows great progress to make sure same mistake will not happen again.
Japan on the other hand still seem themselves as the victim of the war and did not even apology for what they did to other countries. Even worst small potion of them keeps trying to erase/rewrite the whole history about WWII.
It is this denial behavior most surrounding countries hold distrust toward Japanese action. Can you expect others to trust you are changed person, if you don’t even face your own mistake? If Japan willing face the truth and shows her regrets, there will be lot less resistance toward her rearming action.
I did not try to discriminate against anyone. Hope I did not make any people feel uncomfortable. And this reply is off topic so if it is improper, Mod please delete it.
Having ground based fighters and having carrier borne airgroups are two very different things. Untill now Japan has been lacking a proper force projection capability. That would change if Japan were to have a carrier. It would open a possibility for a much more offensive action. In other words, invasion from Japanese forces become much more plausible with a carrier. I'm not saying that that's likely to happen. SK and Japan aren't likely to fight each other anyways.
However what we are saying is "let's not go there" where we have to worry about a Japan operating a force capable of direct invasion. Japan at its current armament has enough strength to fend off almost all military aggressions against her, so 'please don't start building an offensive capabilty' is what SK and China are saying. We are all a bit scared really.
im sorry for you taking offense
i didn't intend to offend but i was just saying that the moment the Japanese put F35B on their DDH Asia will become a lot more tense. and the Japan hating nationalists wasn't in reference to you but the many angry nationalists in the many counties which suffered the most under the barbaric imperial Japanese occupation.
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im sorry for you taking offense
and the Japan hating nationalists wasn't in reference to you but the many angry nationalists in the many counties which suffered the most under the barbaric imperial Japanese occupation.
No offense intended
Thanks for clarifying and I'm sorry that I overreacted. No offence taken
mexsoldier
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about south korean navy
i think that south korea is doing good things for itself, but i think south korea should emphasize its forces in air force, remember that north korea could have nuclear weapons and the best thing SK could do is to avoid a nuke touch SK soil, if something big happens, like a war, SK should have enough force to fight with china and NK at the same time, while US came to the action zone, naval force is only good if a big war with china happens , but not if a war with north korea occurs.
i think that south korea is doing good things for itself, but i think south korea should emphasize its forces in air force, remember that north korea could have nuclear weapons and the best thing SK could do is to avoid a nuke touch SK soil, if something big happens, like a war, SK should have enough force to fight with china and NK at the same time, while US came to the action zone, naval force is only good if a big war with china happens , but not if a war with north korea occurs.
kinggodzilla87
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here
http://www.jeffhead.com/worldwideaircraftcarriers/dokdo.htm
In an apparent escalation in the long standing dispute between the two nations over Dokbo Island, the South Koreans answered their own patriotic fervor by naming the vessel after that very island, an act that was taken as an insult by the Japanese.
That's Dokdo, aka Takeshima (in Japanese) or Liancourt Rocks. A couple of large lumps of rock or very small islands, which AFAIK have never had a permanent population, though they now have a small S. Korean garrison. Not quite as useless as Rockall.
The ship named Dokdo is an LHD, the first of the Korean LPX class, the one that's already afloat. Not an aircraft carrier, an amphibious assault ship, with a dock for landing craft, & space for a battalion of troops.