Would Anyone be Interested in a Manual of Insurgency /Guerilla warfare?

Would you like to see the Manual?


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Libyan

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I have aquired what can only be described as a How to conduct an Insurgent/guerilla campaign manual

and Since we have seen the US Army Mout and What appears to be the Soldiers manual of common tasks posted up would my fellow forumers like to see the response from a Guerilla?
 

Pathfinder-X

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dude where is dat manual?????
if u don't have it don't creat a post!!!!! u r making me :mad
and when i go :mad , i :sniper :gun :ar15 :bazooka u
 

Winter

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I'm curious to know who authored this document in question...there is apparently a CIA version somewhere.
 

Libyan

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no Its not that I was unable to open this thread for like a week I got an error. here is the manual However since this isnt in rich text it really isnt all that spectacular.


The Book of Insurgency.



Chapters

1. The Beginning

2. Physical fitness
(and test)

3. The beginning of Rifle Marksmanship (and test)

4. The Beginnings of Tactical Awareness

5. Strategy and Stategic thinking

6. Guerilla Tactics

7. Rudimentary Medical Information

8. Rifle Marksmanship In depth

9. Camoflage

10. Post Studies in Field Environments

11. Ideology

12. Advanced Combat Medicine

13. Advanced Construction Of Weapons

14. Techniques For Dealing with Tanks

15. Techniques for dealing with Attack and reconissance from the Air

16. War in Urban terrain

17. War in desert environment

18. War in the Mountains

19. The Role of Communications

20. Understanding Counter Insurgency

21. Reference.

22. a post Chapter dealing with interogation of enemy personell and with dealing with interogation.

23. Great living in grubby times.


24. The Mobile Guerilla



"The Beginning"
(and glossary of terms)


This Primer is designed to give you only the basic understanding of how to conduct a guerilla operation, It is by no means the final word, by no means can this replace actual combat experience , or techniques and local doctorine formed during combat.

Force Multiplication is anything which will aid the combat ability of a single person or a large force.

Realistic Training is the absolute best way to prepare for war no amount of time spent talking, or watching war movies can prepare one for actualy carrying a rifle, learning how to shoot it properly and how to then move and move away from the enemy.

While you not only have to contend with a more advanced and trained enemy, you will also have to contend with the creatures,insects,germs and the weather and outdoors, If properly trained and disciplined all these become for you an ally in your struggle.





Physical Fitness

Physical Fitness is an absolute must!

How can you fight with a soft body? Your body must be like steel it must be sharpened and honed to a fine point/edge.

Exercises like Running, Pushups, Situps are a great way to harden your body and prepare your mind.

Physical training such as Boxing,Wrestling,are great for endurance and creating a willingness to fight and Team sports such as Soccer (football) Rugby and BasketBall are great ways to foster unit brotherhood and physical fitness, while also allowing some recreation.

1a. the Push up


The Beginning of Rifle marksmanship
(noise and smoke never killed anyone, its the bullet we fire that does.)

Before you are taught how to properly fire a rifle, you must know how to maintain that rifle.




LENGTH 880mm
WEIGHT 4.3kg
CALIBRE 7.62mm Intermediate
OPERATION Gas
FEED 30rd Box Magazine
MUZZLE VELOCITY 717m/s
RATE OF FIRE MAX. 600 ROUNDS PER MINUTE
Range 300 meters or less


Matinence

1. REMOVE THE MAGAZINE
2.There is a small hook for you to press against and for you to grip and pull the magazine out of the reciever
3. PULL THE CHARGING HANDLE TO THE REAR AND ENSURE THAT NO round IS CHAMBERED. If one falls out then you have averted potential mistake.(saved your life or a brothers) remove the cleaning rod
4. your reciever should have a small button located just above where the stock meets the weapon. depress that button

5. As you depress that button, remove by sliding the upper receiver forward. It should come off.
6. Now that you have done that, you should see an operating rod, spring, and bolt.
The operating rod should slide out of a small channell in the lower reciever. !!!!BE CAREFUL, THE SPRING THAT HOLDS THE OPERATING ROD WILL CAUSE THE ROD AND OR SPRING TO "FLY" OUT AND BECOME LOST!!!!
7. Once you have done that, slide the operating rod out.

8. You now have successfully removed the operating rod and bolt spring
9. at the end of the gas tube (towards the business end of the barrell) you should see a small lever. this lever releases the gas tube. On some models, you turn it up and on somelyou turn it down. either way if you move it you will remove the tube
10. You have now field stripped the ak-47. Cleaning the rifle can now be done well and thouroghly.

!!!!now you can clean it well, good job!!!!

11. !!!!!!!RE-ASSEMBLY!!!!!!!!
12. Re-attach the gas tube the same way you removed it.
13. Slide the operating rod with spring in the gas tube. the end of the lower reciever will have a small channell in which you removed it. slide the appropriate end (unless you like putting a square peg in a round hole, it should be the same way you removed it). The rod, spring, bolt will slide and lock in the channell.
!!!!Note: the button you pushed to begin the disassembly process was part of the operating rod!!!
14. Slide the upper reciever on the weapon and lock it in place using that button.

!!!!!!!FUNCTION TEST!!!!!!

Charge the unloaded weapon by,
pulling the handle backwards towards your shoulder, the handle should go back easily, and on a new weapon have a slight stickiness, in a well used weapon it will go back and then foward, Squeeze the trigger once the charging handle is forward

You should hear an audible click and feel the internals of the weapon working.

!!!!!EVERY TIME YOU DISASSEMBLE A WEAPON PERFROM A
FUNCTIONS TEST!!! This test will determine:

a. If you re-assembled it correctly
b. if you have a faulty part that will require a gun smith

How to correctly Fire a weapon
Much of the Mistakes being made by people using the Ak series of weapons are due to a lack of training,
If I hand anyone a weapon without the proper training they will make the same mistakes of spraying automatic fire while hoping to hit something.
The Best method of firing is the prone firing posistion
Prone

Most stable shooting position
Very low siloutte to return fire
Ability to remain in shooting position for extended periods of time


Kneeling Position
Easy to drop to a steady kneeling position from a walk or run
Steady position for long shots
Disrupts your silouette from return fire
Allows for easy breathing and almost 360 field of vision
Ability to twist torso for wide angle of fire
Can stay in shooting position for more time than a stand or hip position
Easily return to a run or walk
Elbow on the knee ensures stability.



Standing Position
Quick to aquire
Widest angle of fire
Can shoot over obsticles, use objects as cover
Can offer largest silouette to return fire (when cover not used)
Quickly return to walk or run



Test yourself!

Given an unloaded ak-47/m rifle disasemble and reassemble the weapon and perform a function test on the weapon without having to consult the primer.
(GO/NO GO)

Demonstrate the various firing firing posistions while verbaly reciting the features inherent to them without having to consult the primer.

(GO/NO GO)


Becoming tacticaly alert and aware

Tactical awareness is best defined as
Knowing your own ability and your own role/part to play in the bigger strategic point of view
Tactical awareness is also knowing your immediate surroundings and becoming comfortable with them

An Example of Tactical awareness would be before an operation checking your equipment to make sure it works.

An Example of Tactical alertness would be if you are alone in the wild hearing people talking, or the sound of metal objects such as keys jingling or the sound of a half empty canteen swishing around.

Tactical awareness would cause you to make yourself hard to be seen (so you may kill them) or if you decide to you can make yourself hard to be followed incase you (decide to run)
Be alert stay alive!




Strategy and Stategic thinking


Strategic thinking is the big picture!!

It is important to remember that every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

Strategy defined is


The science and art of using all the forces of a nation to execute approved plans as effectively as possible during peace or war.
The science and art of military command as applied to the overall planning and conduct of large-scale combat operations.
A plan of action resulting from strategy or intended to accomplish a specific goal.
. The art or skill of using stratagems in endeavors such as politics and business.

As a Guerilla it is absolutely crucial for you to be able to understand the place of your tactical operations have in the overall strategic picture

an example would be an attack on a convoy or the simple cutting of a phone line has an incredible amount of implications for the enemy, an enemy without supplies,or without communications is a defeated enemy!
Every act of disobedience every act of hostility works towards the rehabilitation of the people and towards the liberation of the land
also
Every act of disobedience and hostility will draw reprisals, every act of insubordination and of laxitude on your part aids the enemy!




Guerilla Tactics/Direct Action plan

Sucessfull Guerilla operations come from many steps
earliest formations of which are
Recalcitrance 1. The disposition boldly to defy or resist authority or an opposing force: contempt.

Defiance 2 Behavior or an act that is intentionally provocative: to challenge and provoke

Disobedience 3 The condition or practice of not obeying, Insubordination and Non Compliance a valid form of resistance

The Last step is

Rebellion Organized opposition intended to change or overthrow existing authority.


Techniques of the Guerilla


1 Armed Propaganda
Armed propaganda includes every act carried out, and the good impression that this armed force causes will result in positive attitudes in the population toward that force; and it does not include forced indoctrination. Armed propaganda improves the behavior of the population toward them, and it is not achieved by force.
This means that a guerilla armed unit in a rural town will not give the impression that arms are their strength over the peasants, but rather that they are the strength of the people against the occupiers . This is achieved through a close identification with the people, as follows: hanging up weapons and working together with them on their crops, in construction, in the harvesting of grains, in fishing, etc.; explanations to young men about basic weapons, e.g. giving them an unloaded weapon and letting them touch it, see it, etc.; describing in a rudimentary manner its operation; describing with simple slogans how weapons will serve the people to win their freedom; demanding the requests by the people for hospitals and education, reducing taxes, etc.
All these acts have as their goal the creation of an identification of the people with the weapons and the guerrillas who carry them, so that the population feels that the weapons are, indirectly, their weapon to protect them and help them in the struggle against a regime of oppression. Implicit terror always accompanies weapons, since the people are internally "aware" that they can be used against them, but as long as explicit coercion is avoided, positive attitudes can be achieved with respect to the presence of armed guerrillas within the population.


2 Armed Propaganda Teams
Armed Propaganda Teams are formed through a careful selection of persuasive and highly motivated guerrillas who move about within the population, encouraging the people to support the guerrillas and put up resistance against the enemy. It combines a high degree of political awareness and the "armed" propaganda ability of the guerrillas toward a planned, programmed, and controlled effort.
The careful selection of the staff, based on their persuasiveness in informal discussions and their ability in combat, is more important than their degree of education or the training program. The tactics of the Armed Propaganda Teams are carried out covertly, and should be parallel to the tactical effort in guerrilla warfare. The knowledge of the psychology of the population is primary for the Armed Propaganda Teams, but much more intelligence data will be obtained from a program in the area of operations. Those with an Understanding of Quran and of Islamic Education are the best link between the Volenteer who fights and the people who are Oppressed


3 Development and Control of the "Front" Organizations
The development and control of "front" (or facade) organizations is carried out through subjective internal control at group meetings of "inside cadres," and the calculations of the time for the fusion of these combined efforts to be applied to the masses .
Established citizens-doctors, lawyers, businessmen, teachers, etc.-will be recruited initially as Muslim Brothers and they allow movement within the area of operations their involvement with the clandestine organization is revealed to them, this supplies the psychological pressure to use them as "inside cadres" in groups to which they already belong or of which they can be members.
Then they will receive instruction in techniques of persuasion over control of target groups to support our revolution, through a gradual and skillful process. A cell control system isolates individuals from one another, and at the appropriate moment, their influence is used for the fusion of groups in a united national front.


4 Control of communication and protests
The control of mass meetings in support of guerrilla warfare is carried out internally through a covert commando element, bodyguards, messengers, shock forces (initiators of incidents), placard carriers (also used for making signals), shouters of slogans, everything under the control of the outside commando element.
When the cadres are placed or recruited in organizations such as labor unions, youth groups or professional associations, they will begin to manipulate the objectives of the groups. The psychological apparatus of our movement through inside cadres prepares a mental attitude which at the crucial moment can be turned into a fury of justified violence.
Through a small group of guerrillas infiltrated within the masses this can be carried out; they will have the mission of agitating by giving the impression that there are many of them and that they have a large popular backing. Using the tactics of a force of 200-300 agitators, a demonstration can be created in which 10,000-20,000 persons take part.

5 Support of Contacts with Their Roots in Reality
The support of local contacts who are familiar with the deep reality is achieved through the exploitation of the social and political weaknesses of the target society, with propagandist-combatant guerrillas, armed propaganda, armed propaganda teams, cover organizations and mass meetings.
The combatant-propagandist guerrilla is the result of a continuous program of indoctrination and motivation. They will have the mission of showing the people how great and fair our movement is in the eyes of all muslims in the world Identifying themselves with our people, they will increase the sympathy towards our movement, which will result in greater support of the population for the freedom commandos, taking away support for the regime in power.
Armed propaganda will extend this identification process of the people with the Mujihadeen converging points against the Occupation
The Armed Propaganda Teams provide a several-stage program of persuasive planning in guerrilla warfare in all areas of the country. Also, these teams are the "eyes and ears" of our movement.
The development and control of the cover organizations in guerrilla warfare will give our movement the ability to create a "whiplash" effect within the population when the order for fusion is given. When the infiltration and internal subjective control ha ve been developed in a manner parallel to other guerrilla activities, a commander will literally be able to shake up the occupations structure and replace it
The mass assemblies and meetings are the culmination of a wide base support among the population, and it comes about in the later phases of the operation. This is the moment in which the overthrow can be achieved and our revolution can become an open one, requiring the close collaboration of the entire population of the country, and of contacts with their roots in reality.
The tactical effort in guerrilla warfare is directed at the weaknesses of the enemy and at destroying their military resistance capacity, and should be parallel to a psychological effort to weaken and destroy their sociopolitical capacity at the same time . In guerrilla warfare, more than in any other type of military effort, the psychological activities should be simultaneous with the military ones, in order to achieve the objectives desired.

Direct Action

Either overt or covert action against an enemy force. Seize, damage, or destroy a target; capture or recover personnel or material in support of strategic/operational objectives or conventional forces.
Short-duration, small-scale offensive actions. May require raids, ambushes, direct assault tactics; placing mines or explosive devices, assasination,sabotage, and reconnissance




The Ambush






Rudimentary Medical Information


Initiate an Intravenous Infusion (I.V.)

Measure and Monitor a Casualty's Pulse
Restore Breathing to a Casualty
Stop Bleeding from a Casualty's Limb
Maintaining a sanitary condition

Rifle Marksmanship In depth
(Ready to actualy hit something?)


Camoflage
(If you cant see me Your less likely to kill me)

Post Studies in Field Environments
Chechnya
Late Chechnya
Vietnam
Iraq
Bosnia
Afghanistan 1880s,1980s,2000

With an eye to the Future...



Ideology

Advanced Combat Medicine
Preparation Of a Medical Plan for the Guerilla force
Your Aid Bag
Your Medical Equipment
Stopping a sucking chest wound
Amputation
Removal of schrapnel
Dealing with a wound to the Stomach and Intestines
Head wounds
Burns
Dealing with Concusion wounds
Improvised Medicines and techniques
When All else fails Surgery










Advanced construction of weapons

9mm silenced submachine gun



.22 calibre silenced rifle



7.62/39 bolt action rifle



7.62/39 light machine gun


heavy calibre sniping rifle


the zip gun

the rpg-2

the high explosive rpg-2 warhead

the chemical gas grenade and the rpg-2 and 7 warhead

The Club and edged weapon

The Blow dart

the Improvised explosive device

and deadfall traps and punji sticks

Flame weapons

noxious fumes



Techniques For Dealing with Tanks

Lesson one the Tank hunter in berlin and in chechnya

Lesson Two Tiennemen Square

Weak spots in the Armor

The design of Tanks


Techniques for dealing with Attack and reconissance from the Air


Piloted Aircraft

Unmanned Arial Drones

Spy satelites


Understanding Net Centric warfare and its implication to you the Guerilla



16. War in Urban terrain


Stalingrad




Beirut

17. War in desert environment

Libya

The 2nd Crusade

The Gulf War




18. War in the Mountains


First Afghan war




Burma Road

Mount Cassino







19. The Role of Communications


Propeganda

News From Home

The need for truth

Timely Arrival of Orders


The Uninterupted Flow of ideas and reports from below

and the uniterupted flow of reports and orders from above

19.b Encryption techniques and secure communications






20. Understanding Counter Insurgency

Vietnam and Malaya



Syria and Israel


An-fal operations against the Shiites by The Baathi of Iraq



America in Iraq


Russia in Chechnya

20.b The Importance of Cells and the beginnings of a Mobile Guerilla campaign









21. Reference.

Mortar Table

Target for Practice of a man sized target at 25 meters
















































x


z
z
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Tank targets


























Explosive table







Chemical compounds






Quick soldiers guide








The Song which the children Greeted our Prophet with

Tala'al-Badru 'alayna,
min thaniyyatil-Wada'
wajaba al-shukru 'alayna,
ma da'a lillahi da'

O the White Moon rose over us
From the Valley of Wada'
And we owe it to show gratefulness
Where the call is to Allah

Ayyuha al-mab'uthu fina
ji'ta bi-al-amri al-muta'
Ji'ta sharrafta al-Madinah
marhaban ya khayra da'

O you who were raised amongst us
coming with a work to be obeyed
You have brought to this city nobleness
Welcome! best call to God's way

Tala'al-Badru 'alayna,
min thaniyyatil-Wada'
wajaba al-shukru 'alayna,
ma da'a lillahi da'

(what follows is the authors own words inspired by the poetry of Dr Abdullah Azzam May God grant him Jannah)
And so we stand here today
and we Obey
The hipocrite sits at home
The evil one plots and plans
But our job is to defend!



22. a Post Chapter dealing with interogation of enemy personell and with dealing with interogation.

Taking a Prisoner


determining the enemys role and what usefull information they have



winning the enemy over to your side



torture


brain washing




22.b Dealing with Interrogation

Dealing with the stress of torture


Identifying Torture and Brainwashing techniques


Dealing with Feelings of Guilt


Limiting yourself and what you say


Finally Breaking


Living with a Feeling of Shame



Rehabilitation

22.c Deliberate Operations Inside Captivity





Deliberately Staging an Operation to get Inteligence operatives inside a Prison



The need for the creation of cells within and outside the Prison


The Usefull spread of Information and Disinformation inside the prisons to the prisoners and their interrogators




The eventual attack on the prison and the rehabilitation of escapees








23. Great living in grubby times.


Uniforms


Equipment


Supplies



Fieldcraft




Food




Staying sane in an insane world







Little Tricks





24 . The Mobile Guerilla Operations

Mobility and the Ability to Blend in with the Civillian Population are among the amost important abilities of the Guerilla



The Motorcycle Operation

What can be more leathal in the confined quarters of a city than the motorized bicycle

it alone offers the ability to go thru both the narrow street and the rough terrain


Grenades can be easily thrown from the motorcycle


a passenger can be carried who can then fire the rpg



In a shaheed operation one can easily fit heavier explosives and fuel to a bike and the bike with or without the driver it can be crashed into the target





















Attack on a Moving car/truck with the Rpg

The Irish republican army has for many years conducted epic attacks on the brittish convoys and their loyalist allies

thru the use of truck and car mounted rpg attacks in normal driving traffic


Basicaly getting within 70-200 meters behind a target while driving quickly aiming and firing the momment the rocket is launched breaking contact


Subsuqent Rockets can also be volley fired from multiple cars and locations and the use of preposistioned explosive devices to create rolling ambushes



after the use of the aforementioned ambush changes can be placed in as the enemy adapts as they start to guard the rear of the convoy start attacking the front or sides change it up weekly or even daily





The Relocation of a Complete cell and the deactivation and replacement cells


Shaheed Operations


Harassment by fire



Motar fire


Improvised explosives




Enduring a Siege




I didnt delete anything these chapters dont show up when I click and paste , I dunno why But I think its cause of the rich text thingie, no illustrations either without rich text.

But It does talk about a chlorine gas grenade warhead for
the rpg-2/7 series basicaly a thin armored shell sepparated by glass in the middle one chamber filled with ammonia the other with bleach. when this hits something chlorine gas is formed, IF this book was to get into the hands of the Iraqi Resistance , Im sure it would go a long way towards leveling the two sides.
 

gf0012-aust

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Im sure it would go a long way towards leveling the two sides.
The day that something even remotely chemical was used on US forces, you would see a dramatic change in US force response.

The thing about bears is that you don't want to make them more cranky - especially a grizzly. If people are feeling disjointed about whats happening now - believe me the gloves would well and truly come off - and they would not give a remote fig about ANY nation voicing concerns at that point.

There's a huge difference between the US trying to deal with a guerilla war within fractured ROE's and then deciding that the name of the game has changed and that the use of CB enables a full and complete response.

One of the messages sent to Saddam in Gw1 was that any use of CB weapons would result in an immediate and imbalanced reciprocal response. Any guerilla using a chlorine grenade would literally open up new gates of hell.

It's a mistake to confuse situational setbacks and operational failures with an unwillingness on the US's part to prosecute war to an absolute maximum effort. The Lusitania and Pearl Harbour, although not similar in "text" are similar in end result.

As another example, the democracies that fought in recent wars (say in the last 150 years) turned things around when they became more resolute in the way they were prepared to fight to beat the "enemy", in a sense they were resolved to visit absolute destruction on their enemies (eg, dresden, tokyo). I don't think anyone wants to literally see all the dogs of war unleashed.

"Wishing things" runs the risk and danger of becoming a self fulfilling prophecy... or as another sage said, "be careful what you wish for.."
 

Winter

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gf0012 said:
Im sure it would go a long way towards leveling the two sides.
The day that something even remotely chemical was used on US forces, you would see a dramatic change in US force response.

The thing about bears is that you don't want to make them more cranky - especially a grizzly. If people are feeling disjointed about whats happening now - believe me the gloves would well and truly come off - and they would not give a remote fig about ANY nation voicing concerns at that point.

There's a huge difference between the US trying to deal with a guerilla war within fractured ROE's and then deciding that the name of the game has changed and that the use of CB enables a full and complete response.

One of the messages sent to Saddam in Gw1 was that any use of CB weapons would result in an immediate and imbalanced reciprocal response. Any guerilla using a chlorine grenade would literally open up new gates of hell.

It's a mistake to confuse situational setbacks and operational failures with an unwillingness on the US's part to prosecute war to an absolute maximum effort. The Lusitania and Pearl Harbour, although not similar in "text" are similar in end result.

As another example, the democracies that fought in recent wars (say in the last 150 years) turned things around when they became more resolute in the way they were prepared to fight to beat the "enemy", in a sense they were resolved to visit absolute destruction on their enemies (eg, dresden, tokyo). I don't think anyone wants to literally see all the dogs of war unleashed.

"Wishing things" runs the risk and danger of becoming a self fulfilling prophecy... or as another sage said, "be careful what you wish for.."
You mean such as the sarin warhead IED quite recently?
 

gf0012-aust

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Winter said:
You mean such as the sarin warhead IED quite recently?
Matey, you've done a Lazarus.. ;) What was the outcome of that? The verdict is still out AFAIK on it.
 

Libyan

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The thing about bears is that you don't want to make them more cranky - especially a grizzly. If people are feeling disjointed about whats happening now - believe me the gloves would well and truly come off - and they would not give a remote fig about ANY nation voicing concerns at that point.



Save this and file it under the your (or your Govt or a Govt, which you seem to support) is allready killing the women and children, how much worse can it get department.


And another thing Im noticing is there is an awful lot of labeling the US as the Good guy, For no other reason other than its troops wear uniforms,
There no No Iraqi Terrorists, These people (The Insurgents) are the IRAQI Resistance to Terror.
 

gf0012-aust

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to paraphrase a well worn phrase, "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter"

there is always an issue of how the freedom ends up with the people, and whether that society is notionally based on the freedom to speak, to practice their faith without fear of persecution, and the separation of powers.

For me, if those elements are in place, then the intent of the people who are fighting for freedom is "purer" than those who seek to rule for other reasons.

It's a vexatious issue.
 

Pathfinder-X

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it's very hard to know where to draw the line on the definition of terrorist. in my personal opinion, anyone who targets civilian can be consider a terrorist and must be stopped.
 

Libyan

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hmm I guess with that definition anyone can simply claim collatoral damage and deny targeting civilians deliberately?
 

gf0012-aust

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Pathfinder-X said:
it's very hard to know where to draw the line on the definition of terrorist. in my personal opinion, anyone who targets civilian can be consider a terrorist and must be stopped.
well, when the germans bombed coventry, the allies reciprocated by fire bombing dresden.

it becomes even more complex on that basis, some of the issues are covered under the Hague conventions, but the international reality is that no international court accepts warfighting done outside of the structure of a national uniform.

and that initself raises even more complex questions...

it's a mobius strip of logic that starts to occur.
 

Deltared075

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Manual? Come on! It just like where a Tank crew during tank to tank battle just reading the manual how to operate the tank and to fire the gun.
 
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