S.Korea, Indonesia to develop 4.5 gen fighter aircraft KFX

Ananda

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Type 214 has to be a front runner but what about a bespoke Korean submarine design like the DSME2000? Indonesia has to be honest. Is the Singapore Navy’s Type 218SG a threat that the TNI AL need to face or is it a partner to work with?
When I have occasionally talk with people from Defense circle in Indonesia, it can be said when they see what Singapore have, is not on perspective of threat but more on; well my neighbor has it, I have to have it also.

In my opinion it's more like I have a Nissan in my garage now, but my neighbor just bought Mercedes. Thus I have to buy Mercedes also or BMW, Audi or Lexus. Well the way I see, the ASEAN neighborhood still fill with neighbors envy. Not in sense of threat, but more I need to be seen not to far off from my neighbor.

On the matter of Submarine or defense equipment overall, there's seems two visions that not always in coherence which each other. One is the vision I need to have something that not far off with my neighbor, while the other is what I have must come out from my own Industry.

This's going to be a problem, since Indonesian defense industry still need a lot off learning curve. In fact Prabowo's in the Parliament also stated that Indonesia Defense Technology still need a lot of catching up with others Defense Technology, especially in manufacturing.

PAL it self in media already talk that they need the second batch of 209 DSME to complete their learning curve. In such the Industry it self see that they can't being asked to jump to latest technology, as they need the learning curve.

Thus this process with ROK on KFX or DSME 209 set by SBY administration to coincide with local Industry learning cycle. PAL need to learn from relative basic technological modern submarine type first. Thus why DSME type 209 being choose. Just like DI has no experience on Fighters manufacturing, that's why involvement with KFX as Junior Partner is being choose. Off course the budget availability dictate that, but also it's step by step approach.

However right now, Jokowi's administration seems have bit different idea. They still want to have local industry involvement, but they also demand to be involved with more Technological stages.
How to make local industry jump the learning curve ? Well that's the question that many including me also curious to see how to do it.
 
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OPSSG

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When I have occasionally talk with people from Defense circle in Indonesia, it can be said when they see what Singapore have, is not on perspective of threat but more on; well my neighbor has it, I have to have it also.

In my opinion it's more like I have a Nissan in my garage now, but my neighbor just bought Mercedes. Thus I have to buy Mercedes also or BMW, Audi or Lexus. Well the way I see, the ASEAN neighborhood still fill with neighbors envy. Not in sense of threat, but more I need to be seen not to far off from my neighbor.
Off-topic but interesting pics below.
Exercise Eagle Indopura, which began in 1974, is the SAF’s longest-running bilateral exercise with any foreign armed forces.
I remain hopeful that there will be more cooperation between the TNI and the SAF — long may Exercise Safkar Indopura and Exercise Chandrapura continue.
There is plenty of scope for increased collaboration and cross attendance of courses, in the army, navy and Air Force. Every Chief of Army in the SAF has had a stint in Indonesia and speaks the language.
 
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Sandhi Yudha

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This guy Twitter on KFX really move right and left...from implying will be out from KFX and now implying other way around.

Well just like Indonesia defense procurement on some big items other projects, moving back and forth from yes to no.
Anyway if they still keep 20% development costs, then the work share should be 20% for all projects and not just work share on Indonesian License Product (well that's IFX will be, license Production of KFX in Indonesia).
That's what International Partners on F-35 getting, work share on their parts products being used as part of overall F-35 ecosystem.

This drama like Su-35, will be interesting to see how the ends will be.
The negotiations were last month, but there is no announcement of the results, remarkable. Maybe the negotiations are all failed and the demands of more IP, less payments and payments in goods are all rejected by the Koreans, and the people of our side dont know how to tell this emberrassing failure to the press and public.

Anyway i dont follow this Alman Helvas, its all speculations, guesses, maybies and likelies without sources or signs of proof.
 

Ahmad

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The negotiations were last month, but there is no announcement of the results, remarkable. Maybe the negotiations are all failed and the demands of more IP, less payments and payments in goods are all rejected by the Koreans, and the people of our side dont know how to tell this emberrassing failure to the press and public.

Anyway i dont follow this Alman Helvas, its all speculations, guesses, maybies and likelies without sources or signs of proof.
Alman usually only hear speculation among the inner circle that he knows. As we all know, many decision is made from options, so he just show what is the options being thought (not all option of course but the options that are being taught by his source that could be incomplete), so what he said is not necessary the final decision that have already been made. He also in many times makes his own opinion/speculation base on his own preference over some information that he has given/he knows, so we have to be clever to distinguish between the real information and his own opinion/interpretation.

Just giving one example here:

He is the first who said that Dirgantara Indonesian engineers are coming back to Indonesia in March this year, much earlier than Korean/International Media said thing like that. The coming back is an information, but he then make his own conclusion by saying it shows the dire relationship between Indonesia and Korea over the KFX/IFX program. Actually when I saw his tweet I made my own conclusion that the coming back is caused by Covid 19, and it was then being revealed by Jane Defense that it is indeed due to Covid and Indonesian engineers was preparing to come back in last June when Korea has already been able to control the pandemic.

So many of the information that he can gather is actually not complete that could possibly make him give wrong judgement when he tries to interpret it (or maybe to suit his own personal agenda), but he did give some good information though that could be valuable to see some of the options on the table in term of future acquisition and other things related to our defense.
 
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Sandhi Yudha

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Air Force seeks name for fighter jet

South Korea’s Air Force is looking for a name for its first domestically developed fighter jet, currently known by the project name KF-X.

Citizens can submit one candidate name each by the end of this month, and three winners will receive the Air Force Chief’s recognition awards and model aircraft.





So, for all South-Korean Defencetalk-members...you have time until end this month!
 
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