M-16 Rifle May Be on Way Out of U.S. Army

Winter

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Mehmood said:
I think it will be replaced by M-4.
The OICW hasn't been introduced yet, but the M4 has. I believe you have it the wrong way round...However, the M4 may still be deployed in moderation during and after the introduction of the OICW, as the replacement of military equipment is neither whole nor instantaneous.
 

Red aRRow

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"It's a little too big for getting in and out of vehicles," said Brig. Gen. Martin Dempsey, commander of the 1st Armored Division
Wait till he sees the OICW. It's even bigger!! :lol
 

umair

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shamayel said:
"It's a little too big for getting in and out of vehicles," said Brig. Gen. Martin Dempsey, commander of the 1st Armored Division
Wait till he sees the OICW. It's even bigger!! :lol
That's cause of it's bulk( it packs a20mm canon for Godsakes) :roll .If u look at it closely, it's length will definitely appear shorter than the M16's but it still is longer than the M4.
 

Mehmood

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The M-4 is only 700mm and it is 2.75 kgs.Plus, it is the smalll version of M-16 and it wont take time to get the soldiers used to it.
 

attackistan

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m-16a2

Mission
Deter and, if necessary, compel adversaries by enabling individuals and small units to engage targets with accurate, lethal, direct fire.

Entered Army Service
1964

Description and Specifications
A lightweight, air-cooled, gas-operated, magazine-fed rifle designed for either automatic or semi-automatic fire through use of a selector lever. There are four variants - the M-16A1/A2/A3/A4. The M-16A2 incorporates improvements in iron sight, pistol grip, stock and overall combat effectiveness.

Accuracy is enhanced by incorporating an improved muzzle compensator, three-round burst control, and a heavier barrel; and by using the heavier NATO-standard ammunition, which is also fired by the squad automatic weapon. The M-16A3 is identical to the M-16A2 but has a removable carrying handle that is mounted on a Picatinny Rail (for better mounting of optics) and is without burst control. The M-16A4 is identical to the M-16A2 except for the removable carrying handle and Picatinny Rail.

Caliber: 5.56 mm
Weight: 8.8 lbs (includes sling & one loaded magazine)
Range: 800 meters for an area target / 550 meters for a point target




Manufacturer
Colt Manufacturing and Fabrique Nationale


m-4 carbine

Mission
Deter, and if necessary, compel adversaries by enabling individuals and small units to engage targets with accurate, lethal, direct fire.

Entered Army Service
1997

Description and Specifications
A compact version of the M16A2 rifle, with a collapsible stock, a flat-top upper receiver accessory rail and a detachable handle/rear aperture site assembly. The M4 enables a soldier operating in close quarters to engage targets at extended range with accurate, lethal fire. It achieves more than 85 percent commonality with the M16A2 rifle and will replace all .45 caliber M3 submachine guns, selected M9 pistols, and M16 series rifles.

Caliber: 5.56 mm
Weight: 7.5 lbs (loaded weight with sling & one magazine)
Max effective range: 600 m (area target) 500 m (point target)



Manufacturer
Colt Manufacturing (Hartford, CT)
 

Red aRRow

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umair said:
That's cause of it's bulk( it packs a20mm canon for Godsakes) :roll .If u look at it closely, it's length will definitely appear shorter than the M16's but it still is longer than the M4.
Yeah dude..you are right. The OICW will be like a small canon and even though it looks bulky I think it will increase a single soldier's firepower by quite a factor. :smokingc:
 

Mehmood

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Actuly, I dont think the rifle is being changed. The US never used the regular army in real battle after the Vietnam War in which they learned their lesson and have since used the airforce and special forces instead and the regular army in the Iraq and Afghanistan is still only being used for sentry purposes.Sentries dont need luxurius guns, do they? As for the special forces, they are already using M-4 and OICW.
 

Winter

New Member
Mehmood said:
The US never used the regular army in real battle after the Vietnam War
What? What about Grenada, Panama and the Gulf War?...The US Army has just fought it's way into Iraq(!) as well...

Mehmood said:
the regular army in the Iraq and Afghanistan is still only being used for sentry purposes.Sentries dont need luxurius guns, do they?
I doubt this current 'sentry status' you mention would affect OICW procurement, as there are other events waiting to happen in the future....The US DoD wants the best for it's troops anyway, to carry out their duties and the objectives of the USA...'Luxury' doesn't come into it.

Mehmood said:
As for the special forces, they are already using M-4 and OICW.
Probably not possible as the OICW hasn't even begun production yet...The first batch is due in 2009.
 

Mehmood

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Mr.Winter, the US used mainly airforce and Spec. Forces in Panama, Geranda and Gulf War.
OICWs were used in Afghanistan Oprations by Delta Forces. The batch due in 2009 is for the regular army.
Even if it is short, the OICW occupies much more area than the M-16. It is very complicated. If you have knowlege on guns, you would see that it needs cleaning 2 times a day in a sandy and dusty area as Iraq. If you read the story of Jessica Lynch, you would know that her gun jammed in Nassyrriah because she had not been able to clean it for 3 days even when she was just a driver. These things make it incapable for sentry uses. P.S. What is your real name? Where do you live? What do you do? What is your E-Mail address? What is your education?
 
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Aussie Digger

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I've only read the Time Magazine Article on the Jessica Lynch story, but it seems a little incredulous to me that over 3 days, she was unable to find a few minutes to clean her rifle. I understand she wasn't an infantry soldier and only drove trucks, but she WAS in a combat zone and M16's aren't "self cleaning". A quick pull through would have taken 30 seconds and could have made a lot of difference. It's things like this that make me wonder about the quality of training provided to a lot of soldiers. Cheers.
 
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Aussie Digger

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Mehmoud, the 3rd Infantry Division, 7 Cavalry Regiment and the 81st Airborne did the bulk of the fighting for the US (besides the Marine MEF) in Gulf War 2. The Air Force and Special Forces did a lot I'm sure, but it was the regular "grunts" that won the war on the ground. Cheers.
 
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