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Discussion in 'Navy & Maritime' started by gf0012-aust, Jul 8, 2014.

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  1. gf0012-aust

    gf0012-aust Grumpy Old Man Staff Member Verified Defense Pro

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    I thought this purchase was encouraged by the Swedish govt, mainly to ensure that there is the ability to design and build submarines in Sweden, something that was under threat with German ownership.
     
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    I bet the Taiwanese would be very excited about the opportunity to buy some new Soryu-class submarines from the Australians. Probably a few other countries in the region would be interested as well-it's a great alternative to either German or South Korean license-built boats.

    As far as Messr Palmer's suggestion...I think nuke boats are bridge too far for the Australian public-and I'm not sure they would really fit well with what the Aussies do with their boats.
     
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    gf0012-aust Grumpy Old Man Staff Member Verified Defense Pro

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    I worked for a contractor who had a relationship with Collins development and with the Taiwanese. The CSI in Taiwan were desperate to get access to Collins either at discretionary tech levels or as a turnkey. It was a political bridge too far - getting a co-op boat via Japan and Aust would be a bigger bridge to cross

    Palmers comments are a good example of where he's either done no research or been provided with poor advice.

    A nuke driven boat is out of the question - and poss for another generation at least
     
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    gf0012-aust Grumpy Old Man Staff Member Verified Defense Pro

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    I worked for a contractor who had a relationship with Collins development and with the Taiwanese. The CSI in Taiwan were desperate to get access to Collins either at discrtetionary tech levels or as a turnkey. It was a political bridge too far - getting a co-op boat via Japan and Aust would be a bigger bridge to cross

    Palmers comments are a good example of where he's either done no research or been provided with poor advice.

    A nuke driven boat is out of the question - and poss for another generation at least
     
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    I think ASC could have simply provided the tech know-how or play the advisory role. Taiwan should build their own subs. First of may be a really expensive affair, but subsequent boats and future classes will be much easier.
     
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    gf0012-aust Grumpy Old Man Staff Member Verified Defense Pro

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    No, not evem remotely under consideration - political hot potato

    they've wanted to partner up before with numerous others - every time they try the mainland gets grumpy with the suitor

    not enough capability and internal political climate to build their own.
     
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    Has anything been made public regarding the level of co operation between Japan and Australia for closer defence ties (and Sub's)?

    I assume we may partner on a number of future Naval programs
     
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    Fincantieri Started Work on First Qatari Navy Air Defense Corvette

    The steel cutting ceremony of the first “Doha” class corvette ordered to Fincantieri by the Qatari Ministry of Defence within the national naval acquisition programme, took place on July 30 at the Muggiano (La Spezia) yard, in the presence of the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of State of Qatar for Defence Affairs, His Excellency Khalid Bin Mohamed Al Attiyah and the Italian Minister of Defence, Elisabetta Trenta, welcomed by the Chairman and the CEO of Fincantieri Giampiero Massolo and Giuseppe Bono.
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    We have requirements that posters provide some commentary rather than just cutting and pasting articles. Your posting habits have begun to concern the Moderators. If you are posting just pictures or videos, please post them in the Photos & Video section rather than within the specific topics unless you are using them to illustrate a point that you are making in a related post.

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    Nous avons des exigences pour que les affiches fournissent des commentaires plutôt que de simplement copier et coller des articles. Vos habitudes de publication ont commencé à concerner les Modérateurs. Si vous ne publiez que des photos ou des vidéos, veuillez les publier dans la section Photos et Vidéo plutôt que dans les rubriques spécifiques, sauf si vous les utilisez pour illustrer un point que vous avez créé dans un message associé.

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    Ok on other forums they dont have these rules and i have always posted as it since many years sometimes i add a little comment so I did not know ...after for what i don't have posted links ? normaly for all articles i did curious.

    For pics i post actual pic in relation to the news … so if i post out for me not the right topic…
    P.S : pics i catch in general in social medias and i don't save links ofc.

    Say to me please what are exactly you concerns.
     
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    News sources are reporting the US blames Iran for the latest attacks on tankers.. The ships apparently were damaged by mines, not torpedoes.
     
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    In the past month, US officials such as Bolton and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, as hawks, have framed the issues around Iranian activity—threats from Iran’s proxies against US troops and personnel, purported attacks against shipping interests, and the transport of short-range ballistic missiles around the Persian Gulf. Which is a very wide approach, instead of a narrow one.

    I don't see military escalation as being in American interest at this point; until
    • they present evidence; and
    • come up with an exit plan via escalation dominance, in case of increased hostilities (in the face of Iranian desire for continued escalation),
    when their mid-term goal is to have a smaller footprint in the Middle East and seek an exit from Iraqi and Syria. Further, Trump is not Ronald Reagan (who had the ability to convincingly talk to the American public through his presidential addresses to make his case for small wars, prior sending in troops). Pew Research in October 2018 shows that America’s international image continues to suffer a year after global opinion of the United States dropped precipitously. Favorable views of the U.S. remain at historic lows in many countries polled. In addition, more say bilateral relations with the U.S. have worsened.
    The SUN: Iran accuses the US of LYING about the ‘suspicious’ attack on American-linked oil tanker and denies ordering ‘torpedo’ assault

    As expected, Iran has accused the US of lying about the "torpedo attack" on an oil tanker.

    These are limpet mines (a type of naval mine attached to the ship by magnets by hand). The Iranians are no longer so silly (in the case of Operation Praying Mantis in 1988), where they used an Iranian ship to lay naval mines, giving Ronald Reagan the proof he needed and the excuse to take military action against the Iranians. While it is suspected that Iran or its-backed militias that did this.

    Business Insider: The Navy has reportedly found a smoking gun as the US blames Iran for the latest tanker attack that threatens the global oil market

    * The US Navy discovered an unexploded limpet mine attached to one of the two tankers attacked on Thursday.
    * The mine, which was discovered by the USS Bainbridge, is a potential smoking gun because it very likely points to Iran's involvement in the attack on the commercial vessels.
     
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    This would be quite reasonable if they were not involved.

    Regards,

    Massive
     
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    If it was a torpedo attack, it would be hard to deny because what non state actor would have access to a platform from which to launch torpedoes undetected. Mines, especially limpet mines, however are another story and are able to be deployed by stealth by anyone with the appropriate training.

    The US is blaming the Iranians for these attacks, but it is the US who initiated this round of tensions by unilaterally withdrawing from the nukes agreement and then illegally imposing economic sanctions on Iran. I say illegally, because the sanctions being imposed are not approved by the UN. The claims made by the Us that the attacks are by Iran has to be taken with some caution because of those making the claim, namely Bolton, Pompeo and co. The latest evidence offered is that a limpet mine recovered is Iranian, but that does not mean that the mine was placed by an Iranian operative on orders of the Iranian govt. It could'be be placed by a non state actor attempting to stir things up, or it is a false flag operation by another nation trying to initiate hostilities between Iran and the US. There are four nations who I think are very capable of and have sufficient motive for such an act. Finally it could be an overt act by Iran, but TBH what does Iran have to gain from it at the moment? They are trying to get the other 5 nations to get the US to honour the agreement. The oil cargo was bound for Japan and they had the Japanese PM in Tehran at the time. In either case such an act by Iran would be counterproductive. They have the moral high ground because of the unilateral action of the US and by the US imposition of economic sanctions, technically it has committed an act of aggression / war against Iran.
     
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