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KiwiRob

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I thought this purchase was encouraged by the Swedish govt, mainly to ensure that there is the ability to design and build submarines in Sweden, something that was under threat with German ownership.
 

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You have to wonder which direction the goverment is likly to take the new exportable position of Japanese defence equipment means to Australia, some are speculating that we will licence build the Soryu class boats for the RAN & Clive palmer believes we should just go with the US.

Australia to sign new submarines deal with Japan as Prime Minister Shinzo Abe visits Tony Abbott in Canberra | News.com.au


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I bet the Taiwanese would be very excited about the opportunity to buy some new Soryu-class submarines from the Australians. Probably a few other countries in the region would be interested as well-it's a great alternative to either German or South Korean license-built boats.

As far as Messr Palmer's suggestion...I think nuke boats are bridge too far for the Australian public-and I'm not sure they would really fit well with what the Aussies do with their boats.
 

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I bet the Taiwanese would be very excited about the opportunity to buy some new Soryu-class submarines from the Australians. Probably a few other countries in the region would be interested as well-it's a great alternative to either German or South Korean license-built boats.
I worked for a contractor who had a relationship with Collins development and with the Taiwanese. The CSI in Taiwan were desperate to get access to Collins either at discretionary tech levels or as a turnkey. It was a political bridge too far - getting a co-op boat via Japan and Aust would be a bigger bridge to cross

As far as Messr Palmer's suggestion...I think nuke boats are bridge too far for the Australian public-and I'm not sure they would really fit well with what the Aussies do with their boats.
Palmers comments are a good example of where he's either done no research or been provided with poor advice.

A nuke driven boat is out of the question - and poss for another generation at least
 
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I bet the Taiwanese would be very excited about the opportunity to buy some new Soryu-class submarines from the Australians. Probably a few other countries in the region would be interested as well-it's a great alternative to either German or South Korean license-built boats.
I worked for a contractor who had a relationship with Collins development and with the Taiwanese. The CSI in Taiwan were desperate to get access to Collins either at discrtetionary tech levels or as a turnkey. It was a political bridge too far - getting a co-op boat via Japan and Aust would be a bigger bridge to cross

As far as Messr Palmer's suggestion...I think nuke boats are bridge too far for the Australian public-and I'm not sure they would really fit well with what the Aussies do with their boats.
Palmers comments are a good example of where he's either done no research or been provided with poor advice.

A nuke driven boat is out of the question - and poss for another generation at least
 

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I worked for a contractor who had a relationship with Collins development and with the Taiwanese. The CSI in Taiwan were desperate to get access to Collins either at discrtetionary tech levels or as a turnkey. It was a political bridge too far - getting a co-op boat via Japan and Aust would be a bigger bridge to cross
I think ASC could have simply provided the tech know-how or play the advisory role. Taiwan should build their own subs. First of may be a really expensive affair, but subsequent boats and future classes will be much easier.
 

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I think ASC could have simply provided the tech know-how or play the advisory role.
No, not evem remotely under consideration - political hot potato

Taiwan should build their own subs. First of may be a really expensive affair, but subsequent boats and future classes will be much easier.
they've wanted to partner up before with numerous others - every time they try the mainland gets grumpy with the suitor

not enough capability and internal political climate to build their own.
 
Has anything been made public regarding the level of co operation between Japan and Australia for closer defence ties (and Sub's)?

I assume we may partner on a number of future Naval programs
 

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Fincantieri Started Work on First Qatari Navy Air Defense Corvette

The steel cutting ceremony of the first “Doha” class corvette ordered to Fincantieri by the Qatari Ministry of Defence within the national naval acquisition programme, took place on July 30 at the Muggiano (La Spezia) yard, in the presence of the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of State of Qatar for Defence Affairs, His Excellency Khalid Bin Mohamed Al Attiyah and the Italian Minister of Defence, Elisabetta Trenta, welcomed by the Chairman and the CEO of Fincantieri Giampiero Massolo and Giuseppe Bono.
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Fincantieri Started Work on First Qatari Navy Air Defense Corvette

The steel cutting ceremony of the first “Doha” class corvette ordered to Fincantieri by the Qatari Ministry of Defence within the national naval acquisition programme, took place on July 30 at the Muggiano (La Spezia) yard, in the presence of the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of State of Qatar for Defence Affairs, His Excellency Khalid Bin Mohamed Al Attiyah and the Italian Minister of Defence, Elisabetta Trenta, welcomed by the Chairman and the CEO of Fincantieri Giampiero Massolo and Giuseppe Bono.
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Say to me please what are exactly you concerns.
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hauritz

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A very interesting question
I guess the answer will evolve over time.
Do unmanned "things" increase of decrease the propensity for conflict?

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I think there could be an increased risk of conflict. I think that nations would be willing to take risks with drones that they would not do if there were human pilots. Incursions into other countries territories could become more frequent. The information you could get about an enemies air defences could be well worth the loss of a few drones.

The Chinese may well not want to fire on ships testing their right of passage through the disputed areas in the South China Sea but they might not think twice about shooting down a drone.
 

Ananda

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Not find thread for Netherlands/Belgium Navy, so put it here.
However my comment more to the trend on upscale Mine Countermeasures Ships..as this is quite enlarge from the Tripartite MCV the Dutch/Belgium replacing.

Seems the trend on reliance on UAV and USV and the size shown Blue Water capabilities rather than Green Water/Regional lines in Tripartite.
 

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The late Paul Allen's (Microsoft co-founder) yacht is up for sale. Octopus and crew discovered several significant WW2 wrecks in the Pacific theatre. A very impressive vessel at over 10,000 tons.

You Can Buy Paul Allen's Octopus, Arguably The World's Most Incredible Yacht
Impressive indeed. Don't think I'll bother putting a bid in though. Her indoors would be most unimpressed - make me life a misery and would give the bank manager a stroke and probably a heart attack and hernia - from laughing.
 

Ananda

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From Naval News on SAAB newest submarine A-26. My comment more on Damen cooperation with SAAB on using A26 as based for their bid on replacing Walrus class submarine for Netherlands Navy.

This seems confirm that Netherlands (in this case Damen) after building Walrus, did not able to maintain continous manufacture capabilities of Submarine, thus seems need 'other' supplier support to get back on to Submarine game.
In other hand Sweden more or less manage maintain continous manufacture development capabilities in Submarine.

Clearly Damen hope to not only used A26 as based for Dutch new generation Subs, but also using it as based to enter export market with SAAB

Netherlands and Sweden in my opinion can be used as example for countries that already have or want to attain Submarine manufacturing capabilities.
Netherlands neglect on continous development after Walrus seems taking price on their domestic capabilities, which even still there, has to used others design to jump start.
On other hand even for country that only maintain limited submarine, Sweden abilities being maintain with continue development stages, where their submarine practically come to 'remanufacture' stages on their life time (as in the early video they show what they have done with Gotland class).
 
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