Hi everybody, recently i read that the HMS Ocean will be sold to the Bazilian Navy but without the Phalanx CIWS and the radars for such weapons due to USA veto. So I thought, why Brazil would buy such a ship when there are many better alternatives to the Ocean, for example Navatia takes order for the Juan Carlos I class LHD, STX France (recently partially bought by the italian Fincantieri [the majority shareholder]) is taking orders for the Mistral class, even Fincantieri itself is taking orders for a dowgraded version of the 33.000 tons Trieste class. So why did the Brazilian Government didn't ordered any of these classes? You might say that due to the excessive costs of such ships it would not be possible for them to order one, in 2/3 years the italian Giuseppe Garibaldi will be sold. Spoiler Ocean: Giuseppe Garibaldi Juan Carlos I Mistral Trieste so i made some research about these two ships and i found out some nice data: Spoiler First of all some data about the two ships: Giuseppe Garibaldi was commissioned in 1985 the Ocean was commissioned in 1995 Giuseppe Garibaldi role: Aircraft carrier, ASW carrier, LHD Ocean role: LPH (has also some limited ASW capabilites Garibaldi diplacement: 14.150 tons (after renewed in 2003) Ocean diplacement: 21.500 tons Garibaldi length: 180.2 meters Ocean lenght: 203.4 meters Garibaldi beam: 33.4 meters Ocean beam: 35 meters Top Speed: 30 knots top speed: 18 knots Range: 7.000 nm at 20 knots Range: 6950 nm at 10 knots Complement:830, 550 crew, 180 airwing, 100 c4 crew complement: 365, 285 crew, 180 RAF/FAA here also some data about the sensors of both ships: Spoiler sensors on the Garibaldi: -MM/SPS768 long range radar -SPS774 early warning radar -AN/SPS52C early warning E band radar -SPS702 surface search radar -2x SPN749 navigation radar -SPN728 approach radar -3x RTN30x fire control radar for missiles -3x RTN20X fire controlradar for guns - WASS DMS2000 hull sonar - CMS SODAC3 - FACE standard URN25 sensors on the Ocean - Type 997 Artisan medium range radar - Type 1008 navigational radar - 2x Type 1007 aircraft control radar - 3x Phalanx Control fire Radar (will be removed due to USA veto) Electronic warfare and decoys on both ships: Spoiler on the garibaldi: -SLQ732 jamming system -2x OTO MELARA SCLAR decoy launchers -AN/SLQ25 NIXIE towed torpedoes decoy on the Ocean: -UAT electronic support measures -DLH decoy launcher -Surface Ship Torpedo Defence Armament on both ships: Spoiler on the Garibaldi: -2x Octuple launchers for Aspede SAM -3x OTO MELARA twin 40L70 DARDO -2x 324mm triple torpedoes tubes on the Ocean: -4x 30mm DS30M -3x Phalanx CIWS (will be remouved due to USA veto) aircrafts that is possible to carry and deploy: Spoiler the usual load for the Garibaldi when in Aircraft Carrier role: 18 aircrafts, AV8B, SH3D, AW101 the Garibaldi is able also to carry heavier helicopters like the NH-90 or the chinook the usual load of the Ocean: 18 aircrafts, AW159, Merlin, Apache the Ocean is capable of carry heavier helicopters like the chinook and is capable of carrying the Harriers in ferry mode, however is nowt capable of deploying it. So let's see some pro and cons of the Garibaldi: Spoiler PRO -has been renewed in software and structural in 2003 and 2013 -it's a faster ship -It has longuer range at higher cruise speed -has a much wider range of sensors -has much heavier defence (16 sam missiles- 3 twin 40 mm guns- 6 torpedo tubes) -able to deploy STOVL Jet - Multirole capabilities CONS - it is an older ship compared to the Ocean -it has less displacement -It is shorter -the estimations says that it will be sold for around 150 milions euro (almost 2 times as much of the Ocean) PRO and CONS of the Ocean: Spoiler PRO - Newer ship -more displacement -longer - cheeper CONS -no renewal ever done to it -it's a slowr ship -has less range at slower cruise speed -has less sensors of similar age -lighter defence -only able to deploy helicopters The Garibaldi has proven it's worth in different conflicts like the somalian crisis in 1995 where it served as Aircraft Carrier with only 3 AV8B and at the same time as LHD with onboard 198 parachuters and 320 San Marco Battaliaon soldiers and 30 special forces CONSUBIN soldiers. During the Kosovo war its harriers has performed 30 sorties in 1999 and in 2001 during the operation Enduring Freedom has performed 288 sorites. In 2011 during the Libian Crisis the 8 Harriers on board the Garibaldi has done over 1221 hours of flight. The HMS Ocean has taken major role in the Iraqi War in 2003 and in the 2011 i Libia, unfortunately i haven't foud data on how many hours or sorties has been made by the airfleet of this ship. Many might say that the Garibaldi by the time it will be sold it will be too old for service. By 2021, the Garibaldi will be 36 years old, but some of the systems onboard and the software will be 8 years old. By 2021, the Ocean will be 26 Years old and the systems/sowtwares will be too. Some might say that 36 years old is way too much, but when the Brazilian navy has bought the Sao Paulo the ship was 40 years old and the majority of the sistems onboard was almost the same, in the 80's it restructurated only in order to accomodate tactical nuclear ordinance by France, however the majority of the systems onboard was left almost the same since the 60's. On my opinion, the major flaw of the purchase of the Ocean by the Brazilian Navy is that it was thought as a support ship to use together with one of the ships from the Invincible class Carriers. Instead in the Brazilian navy the Ocean will be the Capital Ship and not a support ship (seeing that it is taking the place of the Sao Paulo), a role that it wasn't sopposed to have as it can be clearly seen by its system suite and its defences. Istead the Garibaldi, dispite being smaller, is much more capable of taking the role of Capital Ship seeing that it was built to be the Flag Ship of the Italian Navy. So, at the end of this short display of the capability of these ships, i think that a ship like the Garibaldi would fit much better the role of substitute of the Sao Paulo.