Russia Tests New Wonder Weapon

ullu

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Russia Tests New Wonder Weapon

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,62350,00.html

MOSCOW -- Russia has successfully tested a hypersonic anti-Star Wars weapon capable of penetrating any prospective missile shield, a senior general said Thursday.

The prototype weapon proved it could maneuver so quickly as to make "any missile defense useless," Col.-Gen. Yuri Baluyevsky, the first deputy chief of the General Staff of the Russian armed forces, told a news conference.

He said that the prototype of a new hypersonic vehicle had proved its ability to maneuver while in orbit, thereby making it able to dodge an enemy's missile shield.

"The flying vehicle changed both the altitude and direction of its flight," Baluyevsky said. "During the experiment conducted yesterday, we proved that it's possible to develop weapons that would make any missile defense useless."

Baluyevsky's comment followed a statement by Russian President Vladimir Putin, who said Wednesday after attending rocket launches from the Plesetsk launch pad in northern Russia that experiments conducted during the military maneuvers had proven the country could build new strategic weapons that would be unrivaled in the world.

Putin said that the development of new weapons was not directed against the United States, and Baluyevsky reaffirmed the statement, saying that the experiment shouldn't be seen as Russia's response to U.S. missile defense plans.

"The experiment conducted by us must not be interpreted as a warning to the Americans not to build their missile defense because we designed this thing," Baluyevsky told The Associated Press.

In Washington, Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was asked by reporters about the Putin statement.

"If you're in that business -- intercontinental ballistic missiles and warheads -- you want them to be survivable, and maneuverability is one way to increase their survivability against any potential defenses," he said.

Putin said that Russia has no intention of immediately deploying new weapons based on the experimental vehicle. "We have demonstrated our capability, but we have no intention of building this craft tomorrow," he said.

Baluyevsky said that Russia had informed the United States about its intention to conduct the experiment and added that U.S. officials issued no objections.

He said that the new vehicle had "ceased to exist" after the experiment -- presumably burning up in the atmosphere.

Baluyevsky refused to comment on what kind of engine the vehicle had, how long its flight lasted or how exactly it maneuvered. He said that it had been designed by several Russian companies, but refused to name them.

As part of this week's massive military maneuvers described as the largest in more than two decades, the Russian military launched a Molniya-M booster rocket with a Kosmos military satellite from the northern Plesetsk launch pad, and launched two ballistic missiles -- a Topol from Plesetsk and an RS-18 from the Baikonur cosmodrome in Kazakhstan.

Baluyevsky refused to say which of the rockets had carried the vehicle into the orbit.


as pentagon gets ready to make weapons to take war in space russia testing weapons to counter it already! another arms race? :D
 

Soldier

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And obviously it is a slap to all those who think Russia due to economic poverty has lost the ability to show its teeth (technology). They may not make this as of yet, but they have once agian proven, that you do not want to compete with Russia. Even a dead elephant is worth millions... :D :D
 

gf0012-aust

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Soldier said:
And obviously it is a slap to all those who think Russia due to economic poverty has lost the ability to show its teeth (technology). They may not make this as of yet, but they have once agian proven, that you do not want to compete with Russia. Even a dead elephant is worth millions... :D :D
If thats the case, then russia needs to go to another dentist (teeth etc). Their last 2 tests have resulted in system failures. ;)


A dead elephant is only worth millions if someone wants to buy it - its a buyers market - not a sellers market.

Russia is in trouble, India is propping up it's R&D, it needs continuing Indian and Chinese aircraft sales, it is developing more and more technical partnerships with Israel in missiles.

The elephant is far from dead, but it's bleeding a fair bit.
 

Soldier

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gf0012 said:
Soldier said:
And obviously it is a slap to all those who think Russia due to economic poverty has lost the ability to show its teeth (technology). They may not make this as of yet, but they have once agian proven, that you do not want to compete with Russia. Even a dead elephant is worth millions... :D :D
If thats the case, then russia needs to go to another dentist (teeth etc). Their last 2 tests have resulted in system failures. ;)


A dead elephant is only worth millions if someone wants to buy it - its a buyers market - not a sellers market.

Russia is in trouble, India is propping up it's R&D, it needs continuing Indian and Chinese aircraft sales, it is developing more and more technical partnerships with Israel in missiles.

The elephant is far from dead, but it's bleeding a fair bit.
So India, China are the buyers. Israel is also participating to an extend. Besides GF, Russian economy is bad which is right, but it is on the right track of coming back too. They had a very respectable growth rate as far as their GDP is concerned. Also they do have technology and if felt endangered, they are capable of repulsing anyone on this earth for now.
 

gf0012-aust

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Soldier said:
gf0012 said:
Soldier said:
And obviously it is a slap to all those who think Russia due to economic poverty has lost the ability to show its teeth (technology). They may not make this as of yet, but they have once agian proven, that you do not want to compete with Russia. Even a dead elephant is worth millions... :D :D
If thats the case, then russia needs to go to another dentist (teeth etc). Their last 2 tests have resulted in system failures. ;)


A dead elephant is only worth millions if someone wants to buy it - its a buyers market - not a sellers market.

Russia is in trouble, India is propping up it's R&D, it needs continuing Indian and Chinese aircraft sales, it is developing more and more technical partnerships with Israel in missiles.

The elephant is far from dead, but it's bleeding a fair bit.
So India, China are the buyers. Israel is also participating to an extend. Besides GF, Russian economy is bad which is right, but it is on the right track of coming back too. They had a very respectable growth rate as far as their GDP is concerned. Also they do have technology and if felt endangered, they are capable of repulsing anyone on this earth for now.

I was being flippant, but I wasn't meaning to dismiss Russian capability. They are without a doubt and extremely focussed and capable country - epsecially on home ground.

What I was trying to reinforce is that they have significant problems and they need to be circumspect and tactical if they are going to move forward. Their choices made in the past, I believe will come back and bite them at some point.

An unenviable position.
 

Awang se

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Maybe they reduce budget on aicrafts and tanks and rise spending instead on their strategic rocket forces.
 

virtual

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I agree with gf as Russian economy is although improveing but still in a very bad shape and they need to concentrate on it a bit more.There is no immidiate threat to Russia from any country espacially from USA.They just face small groups of freedom fighters and such extensive R&D is not required to face them.So instead of wasteing money needlessly on defence soo much they shud concentrate on their economy and invest more money in improving comercial and public products and invest in R&D of such products and improve the quality of existing products.
For war too u need money u cant use anything in war if u dont have resources and money soo its better to concentrate there.
 

The Watcher

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Russia needs to work towards better relations with Pakistan as pak is poised to become the trading hub for central asian countries through the port of gwadar. maybe they will have better access to warm water port and another way to export its rich oil resources. it does have a lots of oil and saveing it for the day when ME oil runs out.
 

virtual

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But there is no doubt that Russia does posess necessary infrastructure and human resources to compete any nation in the world.They are a hardworking nation but need to redefine their goals a bit.
 

The Watcher

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they need to get over the afghan war defeat issue... and try to resolve chechnya as soon as possible but then who would want to give up land like chechnya with too much oil? ;)
 

hollywoodnet

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People often say, maybe to often that Afghanistan has lots of OIL.
And then others say that in Chechnya there is also lots of OIL.
But what anyone fails to realize is that through all the extensive searching
in these two regions scientists have found no proof of any kind that there is
Oil in both Afghan and Chechen territory.
So why is that Afghanistan doesn't pursue black gold or Chechnya for that mater?

Any logical thinking individual would pursue Oil if they had the smallest chance of discovery for that is where money and power is!

As we speak we know that the U.S. Army is in Afghanistan.
And if the United States knew about Afghan OIL wouldn't they have started
digging by now.

Or why is it that Russia doesn't pursue Oil in Chechnya?

Any one care to answer that? And please when typing information, be specific about the time, place and people for that mater.
 

larryzou

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Russia needs to work towards better relations with Pakistan as pak is poised to become the trading hub for central asian countries through the port of gwadar.so China are the buyers. Israel is also participating to an extend. Besides GF, Russian economy is bad which is right, but it is on the right track of coming back too. :gun :gun :gun
 

aaaditya

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larryzou said:
Russia needs to work towards better relations with Pakistan as pak is poised to become the trading hub for central asian countries through the port of gwadar.so China are the buyers. Israel is also participating to an extend. Besides GF, Russian economy is bad which is right, but it is on the right track of coming back too. :gun :gun :gun
you news of russian economy is absolutely outdated ,thanks to the rising fuel prices and the proactive measures taken by putin,russian economy is currently the 11th largest in the world(last time i heard, which is couple of months back),and growing steadily at the rate of 7-7.5% per annum.
 

lakhani

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larryzou said:
Russia needs to work towards better relations with Pakistan as pak is poised to become the trading hub for central asian countries through the port of gwadar.so China are the buyers. Israel is also participating to an extend. Besides GF, Russian economy is bad which is right, but it is on the right track of coming back too. :gun :gun :gun
Though my answer is political, which is not related to the thread.
sorry admin.. But I wanted to make comment.

Firstly its not Russia which has created bad relations with pakistan. Its pak who created the prob since 1950s. Even russia never refused us to sell arms, we never buy them. Recently a Russian delegate was in pak, they were really keen to import pakistani textile and to invest in Pak but.... it depends on us us how shall we promote the goods.

There is alot more to say about history and present but I dont want to drag the discussion away from the topic.
 

KGB

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Some political analysts assert that the russia's prioritizing it's nuclear weapons arsenal as a way to keep its status as a major power in the face of the decline in its conventional forces. However, it is true that much of russia's stategic missiles (especially its SLBM's) are apprroaching the end of their service lives and so they're obliged to upgrade and replace their rockets anyway if they want to maintain their stragetic nuclear force.

What I don't get is why russia's so alarmed at the US's anti ballistic missile program, don't they have enough nuclear bombs to swamp anything anyway?
 

gf0012-aust

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KGB said:
What I don't get is why russia's so alarmed at the US's anti ballistic missile program, don't they have enough nuclear bombs to swamp anything anyway?
I think a lot of comment is for local politics most of the time. The Russians might be down and relatively out - but they're still not to be sneezed at. Topol still keeps them in the gane.
 

armage

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gf0012-aust said:
I think a lot of comment is for local politics most of the time. The Russians might be down and relatively out - but they're still not to be sneezed at. Topol still keeps them in the gane.
So the Russians will just keep modifying th Topol and not develop a new missile? So they are not going to go for the SS-24 [FONT=Arial,Arial]Scalpel and modify that? :confused:
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gf0012-aust

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armage said:
So the Russians will just keep modifying th Topol and not develop a new missile? So they are not going to go for the SS-24 [FONT=Arial,Arial]Scalpel and modify that? :confused:
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I think Topol is still their prime missile of modification as its the basis for both their land and sea based delivery systems.
 

aaaditya

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gf0012-aust said:
I think Topol is still their prime missile of modification as its the basis for both their land and sea based delivery systems.
is the bulava icbm the same as the topol-m or a completely different missile?i believe it is a submarine launched missile so what about the sea based topol-m?what are their ranges and warhead capacities?the info wil be realy helpfull.
 

armage

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aaaditya said:
is the bulava icbm the same as the topol-m or a completely different missile?i believe it is a submarine launched missile so what about the sea based topol-m?what are their ranges and warhead capacities?the info wil be realy helpfull.
Bulava, is a navalized version of Topol-M ICBM. Here's something interesting...

The 45 ton Bulava ICBM is slightly a slightly modified version of the Topol-M. The Bulava is a little shorter, to fit into the missile tube, and thus has a shorter range of some 10,000 kilometers. Bulava has three stages and uses solid fuel. Currently, each Bulava carries a single 500 kiloton nuclear weapon, plus decoys and the ability to maneuver. The warhead is also shielded to provide protection from the electronic pulse of nearby nuclear explosions. Take away all of these goodies, and the Bulava could be equipped with six smaller (150 kiloton) warheads. But the big thing these days is trying to defeat American anti-missile systems.
http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2005523232351.asphttp://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2005523232351.asp
 
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