Alternate Energy Resources For Future ? ur opinion and ideas?

suleman

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Its one of the biggest challenges to the world that what will be the future energy resource.Although many alternates are adopted but none provided sufficient energy to meet the future or current requirements.Scientists also working very hard on it and breakthrough in it will give defence and warfare a new dimension.

IF ANYONE OF YOU KNOWS ANY SUCH RESEARCH WHICH CAN SUCESSFULLY MEET ALL ENERGY REQUIREMENT THEN PLZZ SHARE WITH US.ALSO IF U HAVE ANY IDEAS OF YOURS REGARDING THIS THEN UR ALSO WELCOME AND DISCUSS ALL POSSIBLE ASPECTS OF IT.BUT CERTAINLY REQIRES UR ACTIVE INPUT HERE.I WILL LOOK FORWARD FOR UR PARTICIPATION.
REGARDS.
 

The Watcher

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Plan now for a world without oil
By Michael Meacher
Published: January 5 2004

Four months ago, Britain's oil imports overtook its exports, underlining a decline in North Sea oil production that was already well under way. North Sea oil output peaked at about 2.9m barrels per day in 1999, and has been predicted to fall to only 1.6m bpd by 2007. Even the discovery of the new Buzzard field, the biggest British oil find in a decade, with a total of some 500m barrels recoverable, will not alter by much the overall picture of dwindling resources.

This prospect would not be so bleak were it not that similar trends are now becoming manifest around the globe. The three main oil-producing regions are Opec, the former Soviet Union, and the rest of the world. According to papers presented at the latest annual meetings of the Association for the Study of Peak Oil, Opec's future production is expected to peak in 2020 at about 40-45m bpd. Under-production in the former Soviet Union in the 1990s has been followed by a new surge in east Siberia and Sakhalin. Together with new discoveries in the Caspian, this will yield a peak of about 10m bpd in 2010.
Combining the models for Opec, the former Soviet Union and the remaining 40 or more major oil-producing countries puts ultimate world oil recovery - past and future - at some 2,200bn barrels, with production peaking at about 80m bpd between 2010 and 2020. To this may be added non-conventional oil and other liquids brought into commercial production by the rising price as oil becomes more scarce. These include oil from coal and shale, bitumen and derived synthetics, heavy and extra-heavy oil, deep-water oil, polar oil and liquids from gas fields and gas plants. These sources, though at very much greater cost, could provide an ultimate recovery of about 800bn barrels and might peak in 2050 at around 20m bpd. But the combined model suggests a peak from all sources of about 90m bpd around 2015.

Today we enjoy a daily production of 75m bpd. But to meet projected demand in 2015, we would need to open new oilfields that can give an additional 60m bpd. This is frankly impossible. It would require the equivalent of more than 10 new regions, each the size of the North Sea. Maybe Iraq with enormous new investments will increase production by 6m bpd, and the rest of the Middle East might be able to do the same. But to suggest that the rest of the world could produce an extra 40m barrels daily is just moonshine.

These calculations place the coming oil crunch some time between 2010 and 2015, perhaps earlier. The reserves in the world's super-giant and giant oilfields are dwindling at an average rate of 4-6 per cent a year. No more big frontier regions remain to be explored except the north and south poles. The production of non-conventional crude oil has already been initiated at enormous cost in Venezuela's Orinoco belt and Canada's Athabasca tar sands and ultra-deep waters. Yet no major primary energy alternative can replace oil and gas in the short-to-medium term.

The implications of this are mind-blowing, since oil provides 40 per cent of all traded energy and no less than 90 per cent of transport fuel. But not only are the motor vehicle and farming industries dependent on oil, so is national defence. Oil powers the vast network of planes, tanks, helicopters and ships that provide the basis of each country's armaments. It is hard to envisage the effects of a radically reduced oil supply on a modern economy or society. Yet just such a radical reduction is staring us in the face.

The world faces a stark choice. It can continue down the existing path of rising oil consumption, trying to pre-empt available remaining oil supplies, if necessary by military force, but without avoiding a steady exhaustion of global capacity. Or it could switch to renewable sources of energy, much more stringent standards of energy efficiency, and a steady reduction in oil use. The latter course would involve huge new investment in energy generation and transportation technologies.

The US response to this dilemma is very striking. The National Energy Policy report prepared by Dick Cheney, US vice-president, in May 2001 proposed the exploitation of untapped reserves in protected wilderness areas within the US, notably the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in north-eastern Alaska. The rejection of this extremely contentious proposal forced President George W. Bush, unwilling to curb America's ever-growing thirst for oil, to go back on White House rhetoric and accept the need to increase oil imports from foreign suppliers.

It was a fateful decision. It means that, for the US alone, oil imports, or imports of other sources of oil, such as natural gas liquids, will have to rise from 11m bpd to 18.5m bpd by 2020. Securing that increment of imported oil - the equivalent of total current oil consumption by China and India combined - has driven an integrated US oil-military strategy ever since.

There is, however, a fundamental weakness in this policy. Most countries targeted as a source of increased oil supplies to the US are riven by deep internal conflicts, strong anti-Americanism, or both. Iraq is only the first example of the cost - both in cash and in soldiers' lives - of facing down resistance or fighting resource wars in key oil-producing regions, a cost that even the US may find unsustainable.

The conclusion is clear: if we do not immediately plan to make the switch to renewable energy - faster, and backed by far greater investment than currently envisaged - then civilisation faces the sharpest and perhaps most violent dislocation in recent history.

The writer was UK environment minister from 1997 to June 2003

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gf0012-aust

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Part of my responsibility is to look at alternative energy sources, so for the last 12 months I have been travelling to various international strategic and energy related conferences.

What I have noticed is that the British, French, Germans, Chinese, Spanish and the Americans are accelerating development of fuel cell solutions, my observations are:

French - strong focus on micro fuel cells
Germans - strong focus on hydrogen based fuel cells for heavy transport
English - strong focus on fuel cells
Chinese - strong focus on Wind Energy, plus they are hosting the 2004 Fuel Cell Conf
Americans - stronger push on current generation wind energy, the US collectively has more wind projects under development that the rest of the world added together
Spanish - stronger focus on biomass energy generation
Australia, slow push on wind energy, australian fuel cell research is getting more attention in Germany and the US, localised push for vegetable oil and biodiesel solutions for heavy transport
 

gf0012-aust

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suleman said:
will u please paste some material on this fuel cell.
Thanks.
itsa bit difficult as all I have are conference notes which total about 250 pages. ;)

none of the stuff I have is public domain, they made web access available to participants, but there is a restriction on it for publishing in the public domain.... sorry guys... :idea2
 

suleman

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gf0012 said:
suleman said:
will u please paste some material on this fuel cell.
Thanks.
itsa bit difficult as all I have are conference notes which total about 250 pages. ;)

none of the stuff I have is public domain, they made web access available to participants, but there is a restriction on it for publishing in the public domain.... sorry guys... :idea2
I would have love to know a this technology in detail but never mind as its confidential. :) Still i will try to search it and find its detail if i get anything.
 

gf0012-aust

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Awang se said:
In My country, we were able to move a car using the specialy process palm oil.
Malaysia is considered to be one of the world research leaders in palm oil as a fuel substitute. I had to look at a Petronas conversion technology some 18 months ago
 

suleman

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all these technologies are good but yet now we have not seen any energy resourse big enough to meet all the energy requirements in the world as this fosil fuel is meeting.
 

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Hydrogen is a good fuel, but they exist as a gas in a normal atmosphere which make it tricky to transport and quite dangerous. I don't know about the vegetable oil, but someone said to me that the efficiency is very low, that means, u need a lot more fuel then the fosil fuel to cover the same distance.

Actually i've been thinking about infusing hidrogen and carbon in the lab to form a long chain hydrocarbon materials. Is it possible?
 

gf0012-aust

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Awang se said:
Hydrogen is a good fuel, but they exist as a gas in a normal atmosphere which make it tricky to transport and quite dangerous. I don't know about the vegetable oil, but someone said to me that the efficiency is very low, that means, u need a lot more fuel then the fosil fuel to cover the same distance.

Actually i've been thinking about infusing hidrogen and carbon in the lab to form a long chain hydrocarbon materials. Is it possible?
It's not so much an issue of whether it can be done, its a matter of its calorific efficiencies (which is the problem with palm oil derivatives)
 

suleman

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At the momment i dont see anyother source of energy to replace fosil fuel and fulfill the world energy requirements.
 

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Japan, United States agree to cooperate on fuel cell research


TOKYO (AP) - Japan and the United States have agreed to work jointly on developing hydrogen fuel cells, the U.S. government said Thursday.

The two countries plan to conduct joint research on the production of hydrogen fuel cells - considered a key technology that may one day provide a viable clean alternative to energy from fossil fuels.

"The United States and Japan both recognize the contribution research and development can make to the development of a hydrogen economy and to cost-effective technologies to meet future global energy needs," U.S. Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham was quoted as saying in a statement released by the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo.

Fuel cells use hydrogen and oxygen to produce power with only water as a byproduct.

The United States has also tried to enlist European support for an international partnership to develop hydrogen energy. But some European officials have criticized U.S. research efforts, saying they neglect development of renewable energy sources such as wind power and solar energy.

The United States and Japan, along with 12 other countries and the European Commission, formed the International Partnership for the Hydrogen Economy in November 2003 to collaborate on developing the technology and creating common standards for hydrogen fuel utilization.


http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/TechNews/2004/01/08/307865-ap.html
 

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there already is a standard, its been set by the europeans who have been developing fuel cell solutions for a long time and have functioning test beds in place.

without wanting to be cynical, I suspect that GE and Ballard are feeling the Pinch from companies like Daimler Chrylser who are the world leaders.

At the Fuel Cell conf in Hanover only 5% of the companies there american, the bulk were german and english.

as we say here, "The horse has already bolted.."
 

suleman

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gf i dont disagree with u here but in most of ur replies u stress that Europens and Australians are doing more and better research.If it is soo then why dont we see them ahead of USA.Where ever we talk about tech and research USA seems to be leading or atleast leading in making the final products first.Then why is it soo.
 

elkaboingo

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suleman said:
At the momment i dont see anyother source of energy to replace fosil fuel and fulfill the world energy requirements.
well, looks like were going to have to batten down the hatches and count the millenia till more animals get ground up into oil. :D
 

gf0012-aust

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suleman said:
gf i dont disagree with u here but in most of ur replies u stress that Europens and Australians are doing more and better research.If it is soo then why dont we see them ahead of USA.Where ever we talk about tech and research USA seems to be leading or atleast leading in making the final products first.Then why is it soo.
the bulk of my experience obviously lies with australian, US, german and US technologies. My belief is that the US is better at taking things to a commercial level, I found more australian companies in germany and america than I did in Australia. ;)

I wouldn't rate australia highly in energy research at all, we haven't hit the political tipping point where we need to seriously shift the way we consume power. I think the US is "asleep". Once it does waken, then it is like a locomotive - if you want to beat the US in technology advantage, then you have to get them before they wake up and see and then saturate the technology options with their own solutions.

does this make sense?
 
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