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Old July 30th, 2017   #1186
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Twin island layout, shades of the QE there - in the QE's case, each island has a GT underneath it for survivability, presumably they're just going tor distribution of function here.
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Twin island layout, shades of the QE there - in the QE's case, each island has a GT underneath it for survivability, presumably they're just going tor distribution of function here.
On the other had, that site may be talking b*llocks.


My fave link so far :

https://liganews.net/news/835_1498346552


Nuclear sub-carrier.

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Twin island layout, shades of the QE there - in the QE's case, each island has a GT underneath it for survivability, presumably they're just going tor distribution of function here.
It's just a paper project for now. It's not clear that it will ever get built. So far the biggest problem with large warships hasn't been the ship itself but the systems integration. It's what has kept the Gorshkov under construction and in trials for this long. I wouldn't read too much into current models.
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On the other had, that site may be talking b*llocks.


My fave link so far :

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Nuclear sub-carrier.

The Arctic development projects had some interesting submarine related concepts as well. Take a look Я*У для подводного энергетического комплекса - nortwolf_sam

A nuclear under water powerplant.
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Some interesting news. There's an upgrade project for the 1155 fleet, with Admiral Shaposhnikov being the first. It appears they will replace the Rastrub with X-35 launchers, and replace one of the 100mm turrets with 16 UKSK cells, giving it a half-decent cruise missile capability. It's unclear what, if any, upgrades the sensors will get. Honestly this is a much needed upgrade for the VMF workhorse.

Ÿ€и моде€низа†ии на ‘Ÿš "œа€ˆал Шапоˆников" ƒс‚ановя‚ два модƒля У’ŸУ 3С-14 - nortwolf_sam

Also a look at Severanaya shipyard, note the high state of completion on both the second 22350 and the first 20385.

ŸАž Сƒдос‚€ои‚елŒн‹й завод "Севе€ная в刄Œ" сегодня - bmpd

EDIT: The 6th Buyan-M is undergoing degaussing in Novorossiysk. Currently 3 ships of the type serve in the Caspian flotilla and 2 are in the Baltic fleet. I think it's very likely it will begin service in the Black Sea Fleet, make a trip or two to the Mediterranean with the new traditional cruise missile strike into Syria, and then it will join the Baltic Fleet like the previous two ships.

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/96986/

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Thanks for sharing.
In the article about 20385 and 22350, they also talk about Project 18280 Ivan Khurs, what are they telling about it?
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Thanks for sharing.
In the article about 20385 and 22350, they also talk about Project 18280 Ivan Khurs, what are they telling about it?
They mention it's nearing completion.
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They mention it's nearing completion.
Thank you.

Here an article from 30-08-2017 about the new Project 22160 with a nice photo of it.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2818298.html

I was thinking about this:
The 800 tons 65 meters long Project 22800 Karakurt corvettes (with a range of 4600 km and an endurance of 15 days) are intended to be a more seaworthy, blue water complement to the 949 tons 75 meters long Buyan-M class corvettes (range 4300 km, endurance 10 days), which had been designed for the littoral zone. And then we have the 1500 tons 94 meters long Project 22160 patrol boats with an endurance of 60 days.....
That doesnt make sense to me, Project 22160 makes Project 22800 quite useless in my opinion....
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Here an article from 30-08-2017 about the new Project 22160 with a nice photo of it.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2818298.html

I was thinking about this:
The 800 tons 65 meters long Project 22800 Karakurt corvettes (with a range of 4600 km and an endurance of 15 days) are intended to be a more seaworthy, blue water complement to the 949 tons 75 meters long Buyan-M class corvettes (range 4300 km, endurance 10 days), which had been designed for the littoral zone. And then we have the 1500 tons 94 meters long Project 22160 patrol boats with an endurance of 60 days.....
That doesnt make sense to me, Project 22160 makes Project 22800 quite useless in my opinion....
The 22160 is essentially a patrol boat rather then a full fledged combat vessel. It can potentially be utilized as a Kalibr-carrier, but it has weaker AA, while carrying a helicopter and a considerable fuel supply for it. Basically it's a perfect vessel for things like anti-piracy missions, with a secondary capability of carrying extra Kalibr missiles. It's also bigger, has more autonomy, and is more expensive. While 22800s are just extra Kalibr tubes, and extra CIWS, to reinforce a VMF taskforce.
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Some footage from Baltic Fleet exercises. It should be noted that the X-35U has been battle-tested against land targets in Syria, and can presumably be used from the same launchers. Which means all the 20380s and Bal AShM units now have LACM capabilities with a range of ~260 kms.

https://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/2036261.html

It appears that later project 22800s will carry additional radars as well as the Pantsyr-S.

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/98121/

OKR Lider has been officially confirmed as nuclear.

https://ria.ru/arms/20170831/1501443365.html

Ivan Gren at de-gaussing, again.

https://mil-avia.livejournal.com/441870.html

New boilers for the Admiral Kuznetsov.

nortwolf-sam: Новые котлы для ТАВК* "Адмирал флота Советского Союза Кузнецов"

New upgrades for the Shaposhnikov, two UKSK modules (16 cells) and X-35 launchers. The Rastrub launchers have been removed so the most logical location for the X-35 is in their place, but also a crane assembly has been removed, which means they might be putting the X-35s in that location, with something else to go in place of the rather gigantic Rastrub.

Метаморфоза "Шапошникова" - Флот открытого океана: третья попытка

And it appears that the UKSK cells on the 21631 and 11356 can not carry the Onyx/Yakhont missiles. Only the Kalibr family. This is a strange and unfortunate shortcoming.

КБСМ: УКСК с "Ониксом" и без - Флот открытого океана: третья попытка
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