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Must be a bit late to put it on Type 26 (for UK), surely?
Maybe ... but it is a scalable system that could be ideal for the Type31.
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Maybe ... but it is a scalable system that could be ideal for the Type31.
The real work is not the mast changes because that's relatively easy at this stage. It's the integration of the radar into the CMS.
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Maybe ... but it is a scalable system that could be ideal for the Type31.
Artisan and CEAFAR are both E/F band radars used for the same thing, search, target acquisition and in a Sea Dart or ESSM application, target illumination (not needed for Sea Ceptor and ESSM Blk II)
Therefor. It's a like for like exchange, just updated technology.
T31e is larger than ANZAC so nothing scalable required.
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As I recall there had been RAN people attached to the Type 26 and Ceafar had been flagged from the beginning.

Because of Australia's interest in the Type 26 this has been included as a possibility for a long time.
BAE Systems signs Future Frigate design contract with Australian Government | BAE Systems | International
BAE Systems told to refine Type 26 design for new Australian frigates | Naval Today

Conversations and specifications had been part of the type 26 project from sometime in 2013.
Defence Cooperation with Australia and the Type 26 Global Combat Ship - Think Defence

CEA's radars come in different sizes and costs depending on what you want. For the Type 31, something like what the Anzacs current have would be idea.
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I suspect preliminary design work would have been done, but since they havnt won the contract as yet working drawings would have to be made. I wonder how much would actually have to change from the foot print of CEAFAR to Artisan Radar?
The mast is entirely modular for 26 or was supposed to be - and CEAFAR would sit lower down- the physical foot print is an easy peasy item as CEAFAR is intended for or can be fitted to much smaller ships. As has been said, integration into CMS, that's something else but I suspect this isn't intended. Someone will do a design study and announce "why, this will work *wonderfully" and that'll keep the export hopes alive a bit longer. Alternatively, they could go with CEAFAR for the 26 and install Artisan in the 31's I'm not sure why they would at this stage.

Artisan is basically a jobs for BAE program right now and the installed base would stretch to about 19 sets, or about a third the size of the install base of Smart S Mk2 so chucking that in the bin and adding a third radar set right now seems awkward.
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As I recall there had been RAN people attached to the Type 26 and Ceafar had been flagged from the beginning.

Because of Australia's interest in the Type 26 this has been included as a possibility for a long time.
BAE Systems signs Future Frigate design contract with Australian Government | BAE Systems | International
BAE Systems told to refine Type 26 design for new Australian frigates | Naval Today

Conversations and specifications had been part of the type 26 project from sometime in 2013.
Defence Cooperation with Australia and the Type 26 Global Combat Ship - Think Defence

CEA's radars come in different sizes and costs depending on what you want. For the Type 31, something like what the Anzacs current have would be idea.
Indeed, this has been an effort for the Aus T-26 bid, but from a UK perspective and being so famously out-of-money, where would the funding be coming from (relatively quickly) to integrate it with a pretty stable design?

T31e seems the better bet, presumably to make it more attractive in the export arena.
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An interesting discussion by ex service senior personnel about the upcoming SDSR.

Ex-military chiefs are seething about potential cuts to Plymouth's Royal Navy - Plymouth Herald
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It seems that Turkey have put an EOI in to the UKG for HMS Ocean if Brazil don't want her. I find it a bit strange when they are building a variant of the Spanish JC1, I was under the impression that they were building two has one been cancelled or one only ever ordered hence the interest in Ocean?


https://navaltoday.com/2017/11/15/tu...ier-hms-ocean/
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AFAIK the Turks only ordered one. I don't remember hearing that they planned two.
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HMS Ocean might possibly be considered as a replacement for TCG Iskenderun, an 8000-ton roro ferry used as a troop transport. She's been used in HADR missions and served in multiple evacuations e.g. in Albania, Lebanon and Libya, and other than that mostly seems to serve for training maritime transport procedures with army units.

While she's notionally only 26 years old she did spend ten years of that in extensive civilian commercial service. She has two civilian sisters (all based on a Polish design built in Turkey), one of which was sold to a Turkish maritime college a few years ago and has since - after an indepth overhaul - been used as a cadet ship; the other one is moored somewhere near Istanbul and usually considered out of service.

HMS Ocean could be interesting to relatively cheaply replace her functionally in combination with serving as a training system for larger-scale helo operations in preparation for TCG Anadolu which won't commission until 2021...
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The tanker RFA Tidespring is due to be commissioned at Portsmouth on 27/11/2017. The CV HMS Elizabeth is due to commissioned at Portsmouth on 7/12/2017 by HM Queen Elizabeth II. The GI's will have both ships companies out for square bashing practice. That is one thing about service life I don't miss - being volunteered for parades. Don't mind watching them though.
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HMS Diamond Aborts Gulf Mission After Breaking Down

(Source: The Times; published Nov 23, 2017)

The Royal Navy Type 45 destroyer HMS Diamond, seen here leaving Portsmouth, has had to abort a nine-month deployment and sail home after suffering a severe engine breakdown which cannot be fixed at sea.

One of Britainís most advanced warships has aborted a mission to the Gulf and is heading home after breaking down.

HMS Diamond, a £1 billion Type 45 destroyer, had problems with a propeller that could not be fixed at sea despite the efforts of sailors on board.

It is the latest debacle to beset the Royal Navyís fleet of six destroyers, built by BAE Systems and Rolls-Royce, which started entering service eight years ago.

The other five warships are in Portsmouth because of routine maintenance, a shortage of sailors and problems with the engine, which struggles in warm water.

There is not thought to be any other ship, including among a fleet of 13 Type 23 frigates, that is ready to sail to replace HMS Diamond, which had been two months into a nine-month deployment. This means that Britain will be unable to perform a long-running commitment to provide reassurance to allies in the Gulf region.

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The RN FAA CMDR Pilot talking in the video is Nathan Gray, who will become the 1st F-35B test pilot onboard QE next year.

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