Israel accuses Palestinians of harbouring five anti-aircraft missiles

[The Watcher]

Does this type of crying and whinning suit this terrorist state with nuclear weapons? What does it want palestinians to do.......... tie them up and then bring out their apache's and F-16s to fire at the camps? [Mod edit:Red Arrow: Please show respect towards others while posting.] As always my comments will be too hard for some for some to handle about dear old israel so just read the article it self. :roll Keep in mind that I didn't write the article (its a news story anyway), I am only posting it and rightly so with my opinion.

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Israel accuses Palestinians of harbouring five anti-aircraft missiles

(AFP) Jan 04, 2005

JERUSALEM, Jan 4 AFP) - Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip have five anti-aircraft missiles, which pose a serious threat to Israeli helicopters, the head of the domestic spy agency said Tuesday, parliamentary sources said.

Avi Dichter told the foreign affairs and defence committee that movable Stinger missiles had been smuggled into Gaza from Egypt which could pose a serious threat for Israeli assault helicopters, the sources added.

***oh no now we can't shoot at them as we know they have FIVE AAMs! [Mod edit:Red aRRow: Disrespectful comments edited out.] yes spread love so palestinians must also show some affection in return*** :lol :lol

The domestic intelligence chief warned against any Israeli withdrawal from the Philadelphi corridor on the Gaza-Egypt border, as part of Israel's plan to evacuate soldiers and settlers from the Gaza Strip by the end of the year.

"A withdrawal from the Philadelphi corridor would make southern Israel a new southern Lebanon," said Dichter, referring to daily attacks on soldiers from Hezbollah militants until Israel evacuated the area in May 2000.

The Israeli government has yet to make a decision on whether to also withdraw from the Gaza border as talks continue with Cairo on Egyptian means to control its side of the border after territory comes under Palestinian control.

Source

 

[srirangan]

>> Does this type of crying and whinning suit this terrorist state with
>> nuclear weapons? ..blah blah .. Amazing cowardice.

So the state should let it's enemies get as many arms as possible. Now that's bravery.
Ohh wait, another word, foolishness.

 

[mysterious]

This report and the one about them being worried about minor violations of their airspace by Egyptian 'civilian' aircraft is really doing nothing but portraying Israelis as a bunch of whiners who, after having the most sophisticated military equipment in the region love to hype up situations like these. BIG DEAL if Palestinians have FIVE Stingers! Gimme a break!

 

[The Watcher]

they will probably waste those 5 missiles in test trials as they have to get trained in order to use them and in order for missile to be effective it has to hit the attacking jet or helicopter.

a country with nukes and latest greatest military hardware in the world should not be whinning over 5 AAMs that it accuses palestinians of having. many would be wetting their pants if palestinians had decent military.

 

[rajupaki]

>> Does this type of crying and whinning suit this terrorist state with
>> nuclear weapons? ..blah blah .. Amazing cowardice.

So the state should let it's enemies get as many arms as possible. Now that's bravery.
Ohh wait, another word, foolishness.

It i the legal right of any state to buy weapons for its defence. There sould not be any worry for Israel if it really want to see an Independent Plastenian state.

 

[srirangan]

Legally, Palestine is not a state as yet.

But yeah, I agree, they have a right to buy arms. But so do Israel have a right to lobby against Palestine. Just as Palestine lobbies against Israel in the Arab World. I was just pointing out that it was naive and distatseful of The Watcher to say "Israelis are cowards".

 

[mysterious]

Legally, Palestine is not a state as yet.

Pretty much was until 1948 when the UN shoved its decision down the throats of Palestinians, punishing 'them' for the holocaust that the Jews faced in Germany and throwing them out of their own homeland!! This is the biggest 'joke' of history the way I see it, something happens in another part of the world and instead of giving the victims justice in that part of the world, the decision is made otherwise to exploit some 'other' part of the world to solve the victims' problems and making the people of that 'other' part, now victims of the earlier victims! Amazing!! Humans!!

 

[srirangan]

Not Palestine was not a state before 1948. It was a British protectorate then.
And before that it was under the Turks. Still not a state/country/nation/kingdom or whatever.

And UN offered then a chance to become a nation state, which they refused.

 

[highsea]

The Ottoman Empire controlled the region for 400 years, and when they fell after WW1, the region was mandated under British control by the League of Nations, for the formation of a Jewish State. It was Britain that originally partitioned Palestine in 1923, with 75% to be the Arab portion (Trans-Jordan) to go to the Palestinians, and 25%, the area between the Jordan river and the Mediterranean Sea, to be the Jewish State.

Sharing was not part of the Arab makeup, and by 1947, after 25 years of violence, Britain had had enough, and turned the mess over to the UN, which tried to further partition the Jewish portion, and create a second Palestinian State within the Jewish area (Resolution 181). The Jewish people accepted this, but the Arabs did not. The result was the declaration of the Jewish State of Israel, and the War of 1948. What remained of the second Palestinian state that was envisioned in Resolution 181 was occupied by Egypt (Gaza) and Trans-Jordan (The West Bank). Trans-Jordan then renamed themselves as just Jordan, because they now controlled territory on both sides of the river.

Why is it that the Palestinians don't claim rights to Jordan? And if Israel is not a legitimate State, then how can Jordan be? After all, they were created at the same time under the same auspices.

The PLO never laid claim on the West Bank and Gaza until Israel won those areas back in the 1967 war. Israel returned the Sinai to Egypt in the 1982 peace deal brokered by Jimmy Carter (which still costs the US nearly 7 Billion dollars every year to maintain). Numerous attempts since then to reach a peace have failed, of course, and will continue to fail until the Palestinians learn to accept Israel's right to exist, just as they have accepted Jordan.

As to the OP, if people can't understand why Israel doesn't want Stinger missiles in the occupied territories, they are not trying very hard.

Making childish and derogatory comments about Israel doesn't help anyone. Let's hope that the changes in the PA will bring a new chance for peace for both sides in this struggle.

 

[srirangan]

Great post highsea!

 

[The Watcher]

Why is it that the Palestinians don't claim rights to Jordan? And if Israel is not a legitimate State, then how can Jordan be? After all, they were created at the same time under the same auspices.[/qoute]

They claim it because its their. Simple. Can you define legitimate? How can any state be legitimate or do you just want to apply those stardards on Israel palestinian issue?

...will continue to fail until the Palestinians learn to accept Israel's right to exist, just as they have accepted Jordan.

As to the OP, if people can't understand why Israel doesn't want Stinger missiles in the occupied territories, they are not trying very hard.

Making childish and derogatory comments about Israel doesn't help anyone. Let's hope that the changes in the PA will bring a new chance for peace for both sides in this struggle.

When will israel accept palestinians right to exist? I guess that doesnt matter now that we have stressed out point on israel having the right to exist and if israel exists everything else can go to hell? Its okay to love a country but not okay to love it so blindly that you fail to respect other people, cultures and their rights. They have accepted jordan because jordan does not go in with its tanks and gun ships to assassinate palestinian leaders. Jordon does not shoot at palestinian kids and then tell the world they were terrorists without any proof!

every peace effort will fail until BOTH sides respect each other. I haven't seen respect from israel side and american government doesn't seem to care as it basically agrees with whatever Isarel says. Imagine my shock there. :roll

Childish comments? Who made childish comments? Its israel which is acting like a child crying over Palestinians having five AAMs. It plays the victim card and the right just falls for it. World has much more serious issues to worry about than palestinians having means to protect themselves against Israeli terrorism.

Why do we need changes in the PA? Why always PA have to change? Why always Muslim leadership has to change? Why not look at the other side. This may break your heart but we have a WAR CRIMINAL and an extremist running Israel and you fail to bring that to our attention? Who was the reason why the latest intifada started? Yea some PA leader huh? It was Sharon. He decided it would be good idea to go to Muslim Mosque when people were praying.... thats what started the violence. Change is due over at Israel side and i am not surprised that you don't wana talk about it. Peace will happen when both sides respect each other not just PA doing much of the work and israel doing what it can to eliminate as many palestinians with targeted shootings and tanks in crowed places.

Since you understand israel psyche would you mind telling us why israel doesnt want stingers in palestinian hands? Spare us the alQeada shooting down a jet airliner connection.

Bottom line is that right and israel wants to push/pin down palestinians until they accept israel imperialism and basically live like slaves. Israel does not want to accept no responsibility what so ever for its actions and violence that it causes in the region. Palestinians having weapons to protect themselves is shown as a crime when same is over looked for israeli side. Israel with latest greatest military hardware, with backing of world superpowers and only country in ME with illegal WMDs that are of a great concern to other countries in the region. Yet those facts are over looked and responsibility is shoved down the palestinian throats as if they are controlling the land. As long as israel continues its extremist actions against palestinians, peace is far from happening. As long as US sanctions israel actions and approves them, it will continue to face angry Muslims and non muslims as well. Israel must stop targetted killings, must stop shooting at palestinian kids and then telling the world they were terrorists. Right and Extremist right in USA must stop their bigotry and hate against Muslims because of their blind love for israel. Love all you want no body is asking you to stop loving, but at the same time respect other people, cultures and their rights.

PS: Right likes to point out 16 dreaded resolutions that UN passed against Iraq and 12 years......... well how about 60+ resolutions against Israel that were passed since last 55 years? we cant talk about that it involves israel.

And srirangan.... will u stop playing the chum role? :roll

 

[highsea]

When will israel accept palestinians right to exist?

Israel has always accepted the Palestian's right to exist. They accepted the British partition, the UN Resolution 181 partition, they accepted the Camp David partition, they accepted Bush's road map and two-state solution. It has always been the Arab side that has rejected it and chosen violence instead. Even today Israel will accept a Palestinian State, all they require is for the attacks on Israeli civilians to end. If the Palestinians stop with the suicide bombings, blowing up buses and discos, firing rockets into settlements, etc, than a peaceful solution could be reached. Abbas has promised a cease fire, let's see if he can deliver.

Who was the reason why the latest intifada started? Yea some PA leader huh? It was Sharon. He decided it would be good idea to go to Muslim Mosque when people were praying.... thats what started the violence.

Well, the Temple Mount has significance to both sides. It's the holiest site in Judaism. For the Palestinians to start a war over a visit by Sharon? I think Arafat was just looking for an excuse to reject the Camp David agreement.

Since you understand israel psyche would you mind telling us why israel doesnt want stingers in palestinian hands? Spare us the alQeada shooting down a jet airliner connection.

Why? What's the difference between blowing up a busload of civilians and shooting down a civilian airliner? Do you think Israel should just trust them not to try? Is that a wise thing for Israel to do?

 

[srirangan]

And srirangan.... will u stop playing the chum role?

I will .. When you grow some brains.

 

[highsea]

:nono All right now, let's keep it civil... :nono

 

[P.A.F]

Israel accuses Palestinians of harbouring five anti-aircraft missiles. well whats wrong with that. the palistinians have a right to defend themselves. aren't isreal the ones with the nukes, tanks, anti-aircraft missiles, and the list is almost endless. no one accuses them do they. .

 

[Red aRRow]

Israel has always accepted the Palestian's right to exist. They accepted the British partition, the UN Resolution 181 partition, they accepted the Camp David partition, they accepted Bush's road map and two-state solution. It has always been the Arab side that has rejected it and chosen violence instead. Even today Israel will accept a Palestinian State, all they require is for the attacks on Israeli civilians to end. If the Palestinians stop with the suicide bombings, blowing up buses and discos, firing rockets into settlements, etc, than a peaceful solution could be reached. Abbas has promised a cease fire, let's see if he can deliver.

That's putting it in quite simple words IMHO. While the Israelis are free to elect a war criminal as their prime minister the Palestinians are basically being dictated and even pressurized to elect Abu Mazen by constantly bombarding them with the notion that Israel will only make peace with him in the chair.
Its really sad democratic values being violated all over the earth by the so called champions of democracy (Ukraine, Palestine, Kashmir etc.).

Israel has violated many U.N. resolutions along the way (not counting the motions which never saw the form of a resolution due to vetos by the U.S.). To count just a few... resolutions 194, 242 (which terms the occupation as illegal), 446 (which says settlements are illegal).
Probably the U.S. media does not focus on the other side of the argument that much which results in the population being ignorant about the other side of the conflict.

The Palestinians are not mad, violence loving maniacs as the media portrays them to be. Their anger is a result of the continuous killings, raids, humiliations and the brutal oppression which a better armed adversary is waging on them.

Israel will of course try all it can to not to let their opposing side acquire any weapons because it is they who will be on the business end of it in due time. However I have to commend the resiliance which the Palestinians have shown in the face of unsurmountable odds.

Both sides need to accept each other's existence which is possible by the evacuation of the settlements from illegally occupied land and the creation of a Palestine state.

 

[Rolex]

Israeli goverment is withdrawing jewish settlements from the Gaza strip with much opposition from the people. And the military is patrolling the area to protect its citizens., Nothing wrong in showing concern over the AAM acquicitions., Watcher, the israelis atleast claim the Leaders(??) and the kids(??) they shoot down to be terrorists., How do you justify the suicide bombings of civilians?(Abolish the Jewish state!!)... The extremists are concerned more about the killing of a Jew than the birth of a new state... The palestinean authority does not have control over its extremist part of the population... Israel has no choice but to go in with tanks and other armoured vehicles to stop those grenade attacks, and suicide bombings... Any army operation is bound to have civilian casualties... The attacks on jewish settlements will only slow down the withdrawal and the birth of a Palestine state...

 

[P.A.F]

just put it this way. isreals forgeign & domestic policies are WRONG BIG TIME

 

[The Watcher]

Israel has always accepted the Palestian's right to exist. They accepted the British partition, the UN Resolution 181 partition, they accepted the Camp David partition, they accepted Bush's road map and two-state solution. It has always been the Arab side that has rejected it and chosen violence instead. Even today Israel will accept a Palestinian State, all they require is for the attacks on Israeli civilians to end. If the Palestinians stop with the suicide bombings, blowing up buses and discos, firing rockets into settlements, etc, than a peaceful solution could be reached. Abbas has promised a cease fire, let's see if he can deliver.

You are foolish to lay all blame on Palestinians yet I am not surprised. Thats the tool both Israel and the right wingest use and thats how Israel gets the support it needs to carry out more operations against Palestinians and then expect Palestinians not to hit back. Highsea, when you subjucate people through humiliation, torture, targetting killings and assassinations and throw them out of theirs homes and bulldoze their homes - you SHOULD NOT expect any love back. You think after all palestinians are put through at hands of Isareli military machine, they will come with olive branch and say oh israel we accept yee? Hell no and you would be out of your mind to think that. Both sides take good deal of pleasure in revenge killings. Israel assassinates a palestinian leader, palestinians hit back with whatever and however they can (if they don't have guns and AAMs, they ll use their bodies.) Notion of "suicide" bombing isn't new to the world, Hindu terrorists in Sri Lanka have done it more than anyone else, Japanies did it, IRA did it and if Palestinians are doing it to defend themselves or as revenge attacks, its all of the suddent terrorism and great obstical in way of peace.

Well, the Temple Mount has significance to both sides. It's the holiest site in Judaism. For the Palestinians to start a war over a visit by Sharon? I think Arafat was just looking for an excuse to reject the Camp David agreement.

Yea, blame it on Arafat. Its amazing how right wing extremists in US have filled people with hate and anger about Arafat with repeated lies about him, even after he is dead. Temple mount maybe important to Jews but there is different quarter where Jews worship. You don't go inside temple mount when People are praying - its disrespectful, its dishonoring your own religion and its emotional terrorism to those people who already resent Israel for its actions agains their people. Sharon is an extremist and he did it to cause trouble simple as that. He wanted an excuse to kill as many palestinians as he could and he went to temple mount because he knew it would cause more trouble.

Why? What's the difference between blowing up a busload of civilians and shooting down a civilian airliner? Do you think Israel should just trust them not to try? Is that a wise thing for Israel to do?

Whats attacking and threatening Palestinians? An Apache gunship or jet airliner? As i said, those five AAms would probably be used against gunships that attack Palestinian camps and cause great deal of damage and innocent lives. Israel to kill one person, kills 10 along with him and that includes kids, womem and elderly. Great love you have for that country that you do not have any respect or affection left for people its trying to control with machines that shoot from far away and snipers that kill kids. Then you have the guts to say why do extremist muslims hate us and then fool yourselves by saying they hate our freedom. EU countries have more freedom than US, I don't see them attacking them. on the other hand, we don't really know if palestinians have those five AAMs, and if they do its not a big deal nor do palestinians have anything to do with Alqaeda and nor do they have any intention to take down jet airliner. Their only first objective is to protect themselves against israel targetted terrorism and not go out of their way to help or associate themselves with some terrorist activity against US.

http://www.israelshamir.net/shamirImages/Shamir/Berlin.htm

http://www.avnery-news.co.il/english/

Israel spreading the love
Abbas assails "Zionist enemy" after 7 killed

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]No Peace in Palestine[/font]

[/font] The bulk of the Jewish settlements – around 200,000 people – are in the West Bank. The Israeli prime minister, Ariel Sharon, has made it plain that he has no intention of: (1) removing these settlements; (2) returning East Jerusalem to Palestinian control; or (3) acknowledging the right of return or compensation of the Palestinian refugees. These are the three things that killed the last peace plan. It doesn't matter who the Palestinian leader is – no Palestinian can surrender on those three points.


Can't you see it? All Muslims and Palestinians in this case want is some respect, treat them like humans or as you would want them to treat Israelis if they had illegal WMDs, gunships and modern latest greatest military hardware.

 

[mysterious]

Highsea's comment about Israel alwayz accepting Palestinians and their right to exist as a nation is totally fabricated! It was an Israeli prime minister (before Sharon, having a hard time remembering his name) who always maintained that he never knew what Palestinians even were cuz they did NOT exist!!