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Well Vicky you made some interesting points, interesting but slightly flawed
-By the Pakistani ICBMs i meant some of the Chinese CSS-2 sent to pakistan (2 or 3) during the $3 billion sale to saudi arabia . To my knowledge Pakistan does not posses the capability to mass produce ICBMs as yet. Unquote
Again there is no source of this information that "Some" CSS-2 were sent to Pakistan "during the 3 Billion sale to saudi arabia". Also your assumption of CSS-2 being a ICBM is Flawed
.ICBM's by definition have to have a Range of atleast 4500 KMs.
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-The senators who are pushing the Hackneyed bills are the "friends of india" group. On top of the list is "Botox queen" Veeetnaam KERRY and Hilary clinton.Since the democrats dont stand a chance in 2008 or 2012, they are being pushed by india to bring the AQ.Khan network in the spotlight,while the outsourcing and stealing of american jobs by india is kept under wraps. Same is the deal with Congress.Unquote
Your argument is faulty, you are assuming that Democrats are with India and Republicans with Pakistanis. Not True.The Bill was supported by the Caucus members (both Republican and Democrats).Also it was Kerry who was raising a Hue and Cry about Outsourcing to India.(BTW the Outsourcing to india is going Great Guns
. Also,it was not the Democrats but the Republican Party which bought the AQ Khan Smuggling amd Nuclear Black Market Network before the World.It was Musharraf who went on Pakistani Televison with these facts, you mean to say he is doing this on India's Bidding?You are trying to put a Spin on the Criminal Misdeeds of a Greedy Black Marketeer by blaming it on India.
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-Lockheed Martin offered the F-16s to india, Not the US government.The F-16 sale to Pakistan would have been completed in 2002 but due to indian pressure through congress, it is being blocked as it was during the 90's . indians get constipated with fear and break out in rashes when you mention F16s being sold to Pakistan. In my view, india has one of the most sophisticated jets,the 140 SU30MKIs that can beat the F15 and the Rafale, let alone some 25 measly block 50 F16s....so the indians are building up mass hysteria and useless stupidity which only makes them look absurd as has been suggested by the indian military.Unquote.
I agree with you fully.
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-Yes..trade surplus with China is huge, but is still small when compared to US trade with other countries. Trade and Defense issues are two different issues and are dealt with accordingly.Unquote
Your argument is erreneous again.What are you getting at when you say that the Chineses Trade surplus is small as compared to the Trade with other countries.Dude, we are talking here about the sheer surplus that china has not the actual trade figures.While Matters Military and Trade are dealt in separate ways (Most of the Time) it can and will most certainly be used by US to put China in its place.Its catch 22 for China, Sure it has $$$ Gains but what if US stops the Purchases? Look at the way china is bristling at a Possible Punitive measure of just 25% additional duty if it does not heed to US's Call for a Yyan revaluation.(Which again has been artificially price banded with US$)
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-Pakistan does have a big military and a growing economy, but it is controlled by the US. They formed an alliance in 1949.U2 flights were taking off from Pakistan in the 60s,It was the first asian country to get the F-104 starfighter,It was the frontline state against the soviets,It scored the first kills with the F16s against soviet jets,it has been lavished with billions in weapons and dual use technology, it opened up relations with China for the Nixon administration and most of the high tech weaponry in the Pakistani Millitary is American.The largest covert operation was run by Pakistan in the 80s.The US has full use of 5 military bases in Pakistan.The war in Afghanistan saw the largest US Marine operation from the Pakistani coastline since WW2 .The CIA formed the ISI, which is extremely powerful and was used to run the Afghan resistance in the 80's. Pakistan has also always been the 3rd largest recipient of US AID after Israel and Egypt. Althought it was sanctioned in 1990 and again in 1998 due to the 6 nuke tests by Pakistan to answer india's 5 tests .The bottom line is....... Pakistan will not do anything against "Reasonable" American interests .Unquote
Sure all the above American Operations took place from Pakistan,but then pakistan has been "Compensated" by US for it.
Oh Yeah thats a good choice of word you used "Reasonable".You mean to say it was in America's Interest when pakistan sent a F-16 and an unexploded Tomahawk Cruise Missile(Which fell in Pakistan Territory during the Afghanistan Ops) to China? Pakistan was Sanctioned and left in the Lurch earlier. Its just a Matter of Time that America brings up the Pretext and does it again.
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-The Karzai governtment exists only in Kabul. The rest of the country is a zoo filled with warlords and insurgents.The northern alliance exists only with life support from RAW ,Israel and russia to some extent.It can be wiped out easily, most of the members are ethnic Uzbeks,Panjsheris and so on. The Pashtun majority is the rightful heir to Afghanistan and that majority is controlled by Pakistan.NATO and US troops are in Afganistan for the long haul and are not leaving anytime soon.So another "Taiban" government in Afghanistan will have to be moderate, people friendly and be AlQaida free, otherwise the daisy cutters will fall over Afghanistan again.Unquote
Taliban and Moderate.Thats an Oxymoron if ever there existed one.Even if the Taliban were to come to Power then there are enough Warlords to Instigate to create Trouble or it would be the Russian equivalent of "Daisy Cutters" falling on them.Russia had to leave Afghanistan earlier beacuse of its Problems at Home and US Support to the then Mujahideen.If the Taliban were to fight the Rusiian today without the indirect support of America wanna guess waht will happen??
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-The US shifted its headquarters from Saudi Arabia to Qatar in 2002.They only have use of the Gigantic King Khalid military city.Unquote:
Thats Precisely my Point.They are in Saudi and have fall back Options in Qatar and Bahrain.They do not need Pakistan for as far as having a base (Or influencing Matters) in Middle east is concerned.
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-Pakistan, though not rich like the arab states , has always had a lot of influence in Saudi Arabia,Kuwait and the UAE.Most of the Arab airforces have Pakistani pilots and technicians.Most of the kills scored in the wars with Israel were scored by Pakistani Pilots in Syria, Jordan,Lebanon and Egypt.Most of the Arab royalty own estates and assets in Pakistan.Saudi Arabia is going to be increasingly dependent on Pakistan for security and are financing the Nuclear and Missile program as well as joint production of Tanks and other armoury.They also provide Pakistan with 40% of its oil imports free of charge. So the "leverage" in this case works both ways since Hindu fundamentalists and Israel are moving menacingly closer to each other.Unquote:
You are mixing issues here.We were exchanging views about Pakistan having enough influence with the Arab States to to make them Toe the US Line.It simply does not have that kind of Leverage.
As far as its influence vis-a-vis India is concerned, there to it does not matter because these States have never been seen to be favoring Pakistan at the cost of India.Proof of this is its increased reliance on India for its Manpower needs(UAE ,OMAN and Kuwait already have more number of Indians then pakistanis).Why theses same countries play just Lip-Service to the Kashmiri Resolution which is introduced every year at the OIC.Much as the Paksitans would like to it has has not been able to "Influence" these countries to substitute Indian Manpower with Pakistan's.
Iran which had allowed Pakistan access to its Airbase during 65 War has since moved closer to India.Malaysia has Openly favored Indian Manpower Over pakistan's. So much for Using the India-Israel Card
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The Arab States want the Huge Indian Market and hence cannot afford to Upset the Indians.
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-The reality today is that the US is the dominant power in the world. It has made the UN redundant.It spends more than the rest of the world combined on its military power. It is fueled by the Zionists and the BornAgain RaptureReady Christian right wingers. After the "Evil Empire"...The fight against "Terrorism" has become the new scapegoat. Iran,Syria,North Korea are the next targets and China and Russia arent too far off. Though Pakistan may not be a Strategic ally and just a "tactical ally" it still is a Major Non-NATO ally. Pakistan,although a Nuclear Power, has once again become a virtual american client state (frontline state), will of course go along with the US readily as it needs and wants American support for its economy and military, but it will always remain close to its interests in China and the Middle East .Unquote
The Israelis are "Zionist" and the Americans acting in their self interest(Especially after 9/11) called "Christian right wingers" , while the Terrorist who target Civilian Population are " Fidayeen" or "Freedom Fighter"?
Sure America has a very Narrow and Selfish interest in persuing the above countries (Iran, Syria and North Korea).It has De-Nuked Iraq,Libya threw in the towel(Daisy-Cutter Hibbie Jibbies ), the Clock is ticking for North Korea.You think America is so Stupid not to realize the Source or the Fountain- Head of proliferation to these countries?
America and Pakistan are in a very selfish and Convinient relationship with each other.They need each other (pakistan for Military and Economic needs) and America for Buying time as it deals with the above countries first.Once the above countries are Brow-Beaten, Daisy-Cuttered,or Bank-Rolled into de-nuking themselves, it will be Pakistan in their Radarsights, Gun-Sights or Lock-in mode. I dont think US will have to use the Military Option against it,as Pakistan is very susceptible economically.Its on a Growth Stage of 6 to 7 Percent of GDP purely on IMF and World Bank(Read US) support.This is in stark contrast to the nearly failed state Pre 9/11.
No amount of Free Oil or Chinese Support can ensure a Growth which is Possible with US Support.America just has to remind this to Pakistan(Remember the Famous Telephone call With us or against us) and it will fall in line.
Just to put things in perspective Rice even said in the Senate Confirmation Hearings that as far as the pakistani Nukes are concerned "they have a Plan and a Startegy".
