Turkey vs Greece
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thegoldenhorde
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Turkey wins. Turkey has an extremely professional military that has beaten the Greeks many times. Plus, the Greek part of Cyprus is basically independent while the North is still occupied by Turkey so it would overrun the South before Greece could put any troops on the island. Finally, the Greeks are in possecion of lots of small vunerable islands in the Agean that could be quickly and easily captured or hit by Turkish artillery. The Greeks would lose Cyprus and any important Agean islands that are close to Turkey in short order. Besides the Turkish army has superior equipment and combat experience. All Greece has is "hoplite ethos".
Marc Aurel
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I would rather think the result would be some kind of draw, as Greece may have less but superior trained, modern and disciplined forces, especially considering the Air Force. It is like David against Goliath. Turkey would be able to win some ground because of their numerical superiority, but will suffer more losses than acceptable for the mentally sane.
I would rather think the result would be some kind of draw, as Greece may have less but superior trained, modern and disciplined forces, especially considering the Air Force. It is like David against Goliath. Turkey would be able to win some ground because of their numerical superiority, but will suffer more losses than acceptable for the mentally sane.
thegoldenhorde
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Yes, you are right. Here the air forces.
Turkish Air Force
Fighter aircrafts
76 F-16C/D Block 50
104 F-16C/D Block 40
37 F-16C/D Block 30
52 F-4E 2020 Terminator
71 F-4E Phantom
22 RF-4E Phantom
48 F-5 2000
9 (N)F-5A/B Freedom Fighter (Turkish Stars Air Acrobatic Team)
Air-to-air missiles
314 AIM-120A/B AMRAAM (176 AIM-120A + 138 AIM-120B)
367 AIM-7E Sparrow
210 AIM-9B Sidewinder
500 AIM-9M Sidewinder
640 AIM-9L/I Sidewinder
310 AIM-9S Sidewinder
750+ AIM-9P3 Sidewinder
Air-to-ground missiles
96 AGM-88B HARM
100 Popeye I
274 AGM-65G Maverick IIR
550 AGM-65A/B Maverick
200 GBU 8/B HOBOS
1.200 Paveway I-II
523 BLU 107 Durandal
n/a AN/AVQ 23 Pave Spike (laser designation pod for F-4E)
40 AN/AAQ 14 LANTIRN
40 AN/AAQ 13 LANTIRN
12 LOROPS-IR
Anti-aircraft missiles
24 I-Hawk XXI (HAWK-21) (1X3) launchers
72 MIM-14B Nike Hercules
86 Rapier FSB1 (85 launchers updated to Rapier B1X level. 840 additional Mk2B missiles under delivery)
32 Zipkin KMS (1X4 FIM-92 mounted Stinger)
108 FIM-92C Stinger RMP
Tactical transport aircrafts
0 A400M (10 ordered)
7 C-130E Hercules (to be upgraded)
5 C-130B Hercules (With ELINT/SIGINT equipment)
<16 C-160T Transall
50 CN 235-100M (3 VIP/16 EW)
7 KC-135R-CRAG Stratotanker
Early warning aircrafts
4 B-737-700/MESA THEIK (2 optional)
Helicopters
20 AS 532UL Cougar Mk1 (14 SAR+6 CSAR)
19 Bell UH-1H Iroquois (15 SAR+4 EW)
There is the Turkish Air Force. Overall inferioir to the Greeks, especially in air defence.
I also read about the Greek Army and the Cyproit national Guard. Both are formidable forces. I have decided to reverse my opinion. The Turks would not have much success, unless they got their large numbers of Leopard tanks into play on Cyprus quickly, before the Greeks could get their Leopards into play. They are about equal in number, but the Greek aligned Cyproit national guard has some good anti-armour capability of its own. They have T-80s, VAB troop carriers outfitted with Milan missles, AMX-30s and more. Their infantry is well trained as well. The Greek Navy could harry the Turks in any landings they make. The two countries are evenly matched.
There is the Greek Airforce. Interesting that they have Pac-3s and S-300s. Those should give the Turks trouble.
Turkish Air Force
Fighter aircrafts
76 F-16C/D Block 50
104 F-16C/D Block 40
37 F-16C/D Block 30
52 F-4E 2020 Terminator
71 F-4E Phantom
22 RF-4E Phantom
48 F-5 2000
9 (N)F-5A/B Freedom Fighter (Turkish Stars Air Acrobatic Team)
Air-to-air missiles
314 AIM-120A/B AMRAAM (176 AIM-120A + 138 AIM-120B)
367 AIM-7E Sparrow
210 AIM-9B Sidewinder
500 AIM-9M Sidewinder
640 AIM-9L/I Sidewinder
310 AIM-9S Sidewinder
750+ AIM-9P3 Sidewinder
Air-to-ground missiles
96 AGM-88B HARM
100 Popeye I
274 AGM-65G Maverick IIR
550 AGM-65A/B Maverick
200 GBU 8/B HOBOS
1.200 Paveway I-II
523 BLU 107 Durandal
n/a AN/AVQ 23 Pave Spike (laser designation pod for F-4E)
40 AN/AAQ 14 LANTIRN
40 AN/AAQ 13 LANTIRN
12 LOROPS-IR
Anti-aircraft missiles
24 I-Hawk XXI (HAWK-21) (1X3) launchers
72 MIM-14B Nike Hercules
86 Rapier FSB1 (85 launchers updated to Rapier B1X level. 840 additional Mk2B missiles under delivery)
32 Zipkin KMS (1X4 FIM-92 mounted Stinger)
108 FIM-92C Stinger RMP
Tactical transport aircrafts
0 A400M (10 ordered)
7 C-130E Hercules (to be upgraded)
5 C-130B Hercules (With ELINT/SIGINT equipment)
<16 C-160T Transall
50 CN 235-100M (3 VIP/16 EW)
7 KC-135R-CRAG Stratotanker
Early warning aircrafts
4 B-737-700/MESA THEIK (2 optional)
Helicopters
20 AS 532UL Cougar Mk1 (14 SAR+6 CSAR)
19 Bell UH-1H Iroquois (15 SAR+4 EW)
There is the Turkish Air Force. Overall inferioir to the Greeks, especially in air defence.
I also read about the Greek Army and the Cyproit national Guard. Both are formidable forces. I have decided to reverse my opinion. The Turks would not have much success, unless they got their large numbers of Leopard tanks into play on Cyprus quickly, before the Greeks could get their Leopards into play. They are about equal in number, but the Greek aligned Cyproit national guard has some good anti-armour capability of its own. They have T-80s, VAB troop carriers outfitted with Milan missles, AMX-30s and more. Their infantry is well trained as well. The Greek Navy could harry the Turks in any landings they make. The two countries are evenly matched.
davidcandy
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I'm pretty sure NATO would win.
It's not a very good question. What scenario. What are the strategic goals of the two countries.
Assuming a limited war, if Greece attacks then it will probably lose, if Turkey attacks then it will probably lose. If they can both appear innocence then the one with the better diplomatic, propaganda, and alliance management.
In a limited war most of the hardware will be irrelevent as neither government will want to escalate.
It's not a very good question. What scenario. What are the strategic goals of the two countries.
Assuming a limited war, if Greece attacks then it will probably lose, if Turkey attacks then it will probably lose. If they can both appear innocence then the one with the better diplomatic, propaganda, and alliance management.
In a limited war most of the hardware will be irrelevent as neither government will want to escalate.
I do not wish to see anymore this vs that topics on this forum. Anyone caught offending again will be handed down a warning and a ban on second offense.
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