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Old June 23rd, 2013   #76
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Hezbollah and Iran has problems with Israel. .
That's a bit of an under statement. Off course they do..... This goes back to the 1980's.

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Ok If that's the case US already had plans to take Assad out anyway .
During Powell's visit to Damascus - not long after the death of Assad the elder - he pressed Bashar to close the offices of the Palestinian groups in Dasmascus, to pull out of Lebanon and to downgrade ties with Iran. Until the uprising begun, despite being labeled as one of the the members of the so-called ''Axis of Evil'', the West and Israel were still willing to deal with Assad, e.g. Assad was present at the 2008 Bastille Day celebrations, Syria was reportedly the destination for prisoners as part of rendition, Syria reportedly co-operated in areas of mutual assistance with the U.S. [so did Iran] and reportedly made progress with Israel in peace talks. One of the main reasons why talks with Iran broke down was due to Bashar's refusal to break off from Hezbollah and Iran.

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Seen like the Assad's strategic option of the rebels fighting each has begin. Hezbollah and Syrian Army trying to reclaim Homs. Like I said before sometime you need the push of a good force to help you out with your low morale units. Hezbollah units using nice tactics against the rebels. Its amazing how Hezbollah units are so discipline and well armed I though they were Israelis forces until I seen bands on there head. The Hezbollah forces are moving along very wise there no longer a defense force they now became a operational force. The Lebanese Armed Forces is no match against Hezbollah forces.
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Hezbollah units using nice tactics against the rebels. Its amazing how Hezbollah units are so discipline and well armed I though they were Israelis forces until I seen bands on there head. The Hezbollah forces are moving along very wise there no longer a defense force they now became a operational force.
Care to elaborate? Where is your information coming from?
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To necro the thread a little bit, Turkish F-16s shot down another Syrian aircraft, a MiG-23 by reports.

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The Turkish general staff said one of its control centers detected two Syrian MIG-23s around 1 pm (1100 GMT) and warned them four times after they came close to the Turkish border.

One plane entered Turkish airspace at Yayladagi, east of the Kasab border crossing, it said. A Turkish F-16 fired a rocket at the Syrian jet and it crashed around 1,200 meters (1,300 yards) inside Syrian territory.
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To necro the thread a little bit, Turkish F-16s shot down another Syrian aircraft, a MiG-23 by reports.
You necro-ed the wrong thread... lol. The big Syria thread is here.

http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/ge...yria-12731-14/
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Assad`s strategic options...looking pretty good given the Ukraine situation. The West has neither the stones or the money to do much at this point. It is better to save the ammo and money for the bigger problems, Iran and maybe Russia.
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Well it looks like Assad might be done for. There have been consistent rumors floating around that Turkey intends to intervene in Syria to remove Assad.

Meanwhile the Russian Syrian Express has resumed, after a 3 week hiatus (for the operation in Crimea).

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A photo of ZSU-34-4 used by government forces. It looks like it's the "Afghan" style mod, with the radar removed, and the vehicle used in an anti-ground role.

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Well it looks like Assad might be done for. There have been consistent rumors floating around that Turkey intends to intervene in Syria to remove Assad.
Turkey will no doubt receive the full backing of Saudi Arabia and other Arab Gulf states but whether it receives the support of the U.S. remains the question. It also remains to be seen what Russia's reaction will be. There is also the question of why Turkey would embark on such a move; is it because Assad seems to be gaining ground or is it also intended to improve Turkey's standing?

If indeed the reports are true, Erdogan will be taking a major risk; the whole thing might blow up in his face.
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Although Turkey and Syria have had tit for tat military exchanges the only reason I can see Turkey taking it further is to draw attention away from the internal problems of its own country. Otherwise the in fighting between various rebels have basically handed assad the victory.
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Turkey will no doubt receive the full backing of Saudi Arabia and other Arab Gulf states but whether it receives the support of the U.S. remains the question. It also remains to be seen what Russia's reaction will be. There is also the question of why Turkey would embark on such a move; is it because Assad seems to be gaining ground or is it also intended to improve Turkey's standing?

If indeed the reports are true, Erdogan will be taking a major risk; the whole thing might blow up in his face.
Makes you wonder what Turkey is thinking about the Ukraine and in particular the Crimea? Maybe their intent is to remove Syria as a threat and reorient their defence toward Russia.
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Makes you wonder what Turkey is thinking about the Ukraine and in particular the Crimea? Maybe their intent is to remove Syria as a threat and reorient their defence toward Russia.
Maybe their thinking is "everyone is busy with Russia, we can get away with it now".

But to be honest I'm not sure they can remove Syria as a threat. The rebels won't stop being a disorganized and internally unstable mess, just because Assad is removed. Syria run by Assad is probably less of a threat then Syria run by the rebels because Assad's military was not much of a threat to Turkey, and certainly won't be after the pounding they've taken. On the other hand huge quantities of fighters who have weapons, are used to extreme violence, and are not centrally controlled....
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On paper the Turkish military certainly has the capabilty to sweep aside the Syrain military but what comes after that? There're too many unanswered questions: [1] Is Turkey going to have the patience, the ability and the will to help put the country back together again or is Turkey expecting the UN and Arab League to come in at that point? [2] Will Turk troops protect the defeated Alawites and other minorities from the 'victorious' Sunnis? [3] Will Erdogan have the support of the Turkish public? [4] How will it affect the Turkish economy if things don't go as planned? [5] Will Russia stand by and do nothing?

Given that NATO will most certainly be dragged in if the whole thing goes rat shit for Turkey or if Syrian shells start falling on Turkey [which the Syrians will say is self-defence against a foreign invader], I would imagine that NATO will do all it can to dissuade the Turks from going into Syria and attempting regime change. What is very ironic is that during the 1990's Turkey tried its best to become good mates with the Arabs, who in turn were still wary of the Turks, given the Ottoman history. According to Robert Kaplan this was the main reason Turkey then forged a relationship with Israel; because the Arabs were lukewarm to the idea of becoming ''closer'' to Turkey. Today however things have changed, Turkey and the Gulf states [for slightly different reasons] have a common objective: the removal of Assad.
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The fighting in Syria is not going to wind down for a long time. Turkey may just attack enough to form a buffer putting their border out of range of cannon and rockets. The people in the border settlements have certainly been asking for something like that. It would also give them somewhere else to put the refugees from the fighting, though the UN is sure to object.
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Given that NATO will most certainly be dragged in if ... Syrian shells start falling on Turkey ....
Syrian shells have fallen on Turkey a few times. Turkish civilians have been killed. NATO has not been dragged in.

NATO would only be dragged in if Turkey asked for NATO help, & it would not be sure of getting help if it had intervened. NATO is a defensive alliance: if a NATO state attacks another country, there is no obligation for NATO to render assistance if it starts losing.
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