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Old October 9th, 2017   #3136
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ISIS continues to unwind as up to 1000 militants have surrendered (cumulative, not at once) to Kurds stating their governors have instructed them to do so supposedly to be taken prisoner instead of Iranian backed Shiite militias to avoid being executed. Many militants are claiming they were just cooks or clerks and didnt fight on front lines to the disbelieve of Kurdish interrogators. The article reads that barely any fighters surrendered after Mosul but that more and more do so after each subsequent town falls

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However this windfall doesnt seem to affect US-Turkish rrlations after authorities in Ankara arrested an employee from the US consulate for being a Gulenist and somehow involved with the coup attempt. The US in response has scaled back visas and Turkey retaliated in kind. I dont know how often these little spats came up during the Cold War years but it feels they're coming more and more often lately. Russia has a great opportunity here to widen the cracks beginning to form in NATO
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It appears the Iraqis have taken Kirkuk as a response to the Kuridsh referendum. Fighting was minor and sporadic at best, and a number of Kurdish units loyal to Talabani abandoned their positions.

This is a pretty serious blow against an independent Kurdistan. Additionally, Turkish and Iranian forces are massed on the borders of Iraqi Kurdistan.

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/3746725.html
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Old October 17th, 2017   #3138
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US DOD warns against Iraqi push

The US train and equip mission could be curtailed with continued used moves against the Peshmerga forces accrokding to DOD spokesman

https://www.defensenews.com/congress...ain-and-equip/


Interesting to note McCain noted the presence of Iranian forces and warned of consequences if there
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The US train and equip mission could be curtailed with continued used moves against the Peshmerga forces accrokding to DOD spokesman
Germany has relaunched its train-and-equip mission for Peshmerga at Arbil, currently training 400 Kurdish soldiers (following consultations with both the Kurdish government and with US officials on how they'd handle their mission). The mission was suspended for a week from Oct 13 to Oct 22 due to the Iraqi advance on Kirkuk.
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It will be interesting to see how much longer junior is willing to assist Kurdish forces. I am guessing Canada will probably pull out soon.
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I have a lot of sympathy for the Kurds. They were shafted by the West (Britain and France) 100 years ago an now they are being shafted by the West again.
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been checking this every day waiting for them feanor updates

waiting for Syrian war to be over any day
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been checking this every day waiting for them feanor updates

waiting for Syrian war to be over any day
Sorry, I've been busier then usual lately. I'll try to put one out today.
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I have a lot of sympathy for the Kurds. They were shafted by the West (Britain and France) 100 years ago an now they are being shafted by the West again.
Don't forget that just over 100 years ago a lot of them enthusiastically assisted in rather more than shafting the Armenians.
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Update.

Mayadin has fallen to the Syrians, and likely to Russian forces. The fighting continues and resistance remains stiff, but it's only a matter of time. Cruise missile strikes continue both against targets around Mayadin and around Abu-Kemal. Tu-22M3s were also involved.

It's significant that despite the very high cost of these cruise missile strikes, they continue unabated and in large numbers. They must be regarded as very useful by the Russian military, since their political value is close to 0 at this point.

https://diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/1181054.html
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/3777864.html
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Despite the successes, complacency kills. A Syrian munitions dump was destroyed by a small UAV dropping a munition on it.

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/3762581.html

Kirkuk has fallen to the Iraqis in the meantime, and it looks independent Kurdistan is dead in the water, at least for now.

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/3747645.html
https://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/668398.html

Stiff fighting continues in northern Hama but without decisive results. At this point in time, battles like these are more likely to favor Assad as the rebels are low on resources and divided.

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/3771171.html

Turkish forces have entered Idlib, openly. It appears that some sort of behind-the-scenes agreement was reached with al-Nusra.Given how many problems the Turks had trying to take al-Bab, it's not surprising they opted for a different approach.

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/3739666.html

Pantsyr systems were used to intercept two Grad rockets in Hama. It's been an open question for some time how effective the Pantsyr is against ballistic targets. A Grad rocket is not exactly that impressive though.

https://diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/1065987.html

6 Syrian helos have been rebased to Deyr ez Zor.

https://diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/1172273.html

A sizeable batch of T-62M, MT-LB, and BMP-1 vehicles has arrived in Syria. Part of it is undoubtedly meant to replace casualties, but this is also likely an expansion of the 5th Corps.

Also a brand-new TOS-1A has arrived in Syria, in the corporate UVZ colors. It's unclear why or what this means.

Gur Khan attacks!: Сирия: 5-й корпус получил "неубиваемые" Т-62М и "вечные копейки"
Gur Khan attacks!: В Сирию прибыл новый испепеляющий "Солнцепек" - ТОС-1А?
Gur Khan attacks!: В Сирии недавно прибывшие МТ-ЛБ понесли первые потери

A hasty glance at improvised combat vehicles out of Syria.

Gur Khan attacks!: Сирия: "Безумный Макс" нервно курит в сторонке... (фото)

There's unconfirmed information that Russia is preparing to reduce the size of their deployment in Syria. Russian MoD said, the operation in Syria will soon be concluded, which of course won't be the end of Russian presence, but it might mean a reduction in size.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2919177.html
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The UN has laid the blame on Syria for the chemical attack in Khan Sheikhun..

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According to some estimates there are more volunteers from Russia in ISIS at this point then from Saudi Arabia.

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Meanwhile Russia has accused the US of letting ISIS fighters through US controlled territory.

https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/cont...11052-nq5z.htm

WWII-era M-30 howitzers being used in Syria.

https://ru-artillery.livejournal.com/457523.html

A Russian Su-24M crashed at Khmeimeem after rolling past the landing strip. The pilots didn't have time to eject and died. Also an Mi-28N in Hama province made a hard forced landing due to technical issues. The crew was evacuated. It's important to note that the Mi-28N has had a number of accidents, suggesting some deeper issues.

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/3735062.html
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/3727521.html

There are reports of mounting casualties among Russian private contractors operating in Syria. It's likely they are a big part of the current offensive operations around the Euphrates.

Two of them were even taken prisoner by ISIS, and likely executed. Apparently they were tied to Cossack organizations and may have fought in Ukraine.

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Thanks feanor

I wonder how many permanent bases Russia will establish once the war is over
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I wonder how many permanent bases Russia will establish once the war is over
Probably 2. They will keep Khmeimeem, and Tartus. The rest appear to be temporary. This of course doesn't stop Russia from using Syrian Army bases as needed without setting up their own.
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Interesting news. It appears Russian accusations of collusion between ISIS and the US have unexpected support from the BBC. Russian sources have twice claimed that US or coalition helos were used to evacuate ISIS leadership, claiming that some of the leadership figures of ISIS would embarrass the US if caught. Now the BBC is claiming the coalition let ISIS fighters, their families, and loads of weapons out of Raqqa.

Raqqa's dirty secret - BBC News
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Interesting news. It appears Russian accusations of collusion between ISIS and the US have unexpected support from the BBC. Russian sources have twice claimed that US or coalition helos were used to evacuate ISIS leadership, claiming that some of the leadership figures of ISIS would embarrass the US if caught. Now the BBC is claiming the coalition let ISIS fighters, their families, and loads of weapons out of Raqqa.

Raqqa's dirty secret - BBC News
Yes I read that yesterday and whilst the suggested reasoning is to reduce collateral damage, I am somewhat skeptical about that reasoning. Can't put a finger on it yet, why the skepticism - just feels a bit dodgy.
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Yes I read that yesterday and whilst the suggested reasoning is to reduce collateral damage, I am somewhat skeptical about that reasoning. Can't put a finger on it yet, why the skepticism - just feels a bit dodgy.
Spend months bombing Raqqa into dust and rubble to destroy ISIS. Let a large number of ISIS fighters leave at the very end to "avoid collateral damage". Nothing dodgy here at all. Makes perfect sense.

Generally official Russian claims should be taken with a tablespoon of salt, but this makes repeated Russian accusations look more plausible. And among those accusations is that the US and the coalition knowingly let ISIS pass through coalition-held territory, to attack Syrian Army positions. Notwithstanding the comedic errors of the Russian MoD when publishing supporting imagery.
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