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This is a discussion on Turkey - Geopolitical & Geostrategic. within the Geo-strategic Issues forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by ngatimozart On another point Erdogan is again calling the Europeans Nazis and fascists with his latest speech. ...


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Old April 16th, 2017   #16
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On another point Erdogan is again calling the Europeans Nazis and fascists with his latest speech. Erdogan says Turks in Europe should defy 'grandchildren of Nazism'. He seems to think that bullying and bellicose statements will get the EU to adhere to his wishes.
No, he thinks it'll impress his supporters with his toughness & willingness to stand up to foreigners. It's all for domestic consumption.
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Since most Turks are urban nowadays (73% in 2015 according to the World Bank & every other reputable source of numbers gives something similar) I think the 'rural' is incorrect. A lot of Erdogan's support comes from places like Kayseri - a manufacturing city of a million or so people, deep in the Anatolian interior. Religiously & socially conservative, but not exactly rural. The city has 80% of the population of the province. Erdogan got 66% of the vote in 2014.
Is it just me or do others find a parallel "Trumpism" in Erdogan?
The only difference is the healthy constitutional checks and balances enjoyed in the US but the style of leadership resonates.
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my concern is his increasing anti-eu rhetoric, even if its just for domestic consumption

There are going to be some very nervous arms sellers about what to do next. lockmart included
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Turkey is done, time to carve it away from NATO. Erdogan can hang out with his new buddy Putin. Not sure how most Turks will feel about Putin's friends in Iran and Syria.
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Not to mention that the US still relies on military infrastructure in Turkey for operations in the Middle East.
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I'd suggest that people have a read of DefenseNews Mar13

If the Turks commit to S400 then the NATO relationship with Turkey becomes unworkable

IMO I'd be suspending F35 sales to Turkey - if they want to drift off let them
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If the Turks commit to S400 then the NATO relationship with Turkey becomes unworkable

IMO I'd be suspending F35 sales to Turkey - if they want to drift off let them
I'm honestly surprised Russia would be willing to sell given how close they came to blows with Turkey. Also, at least so far, Turkish anti-cruise missile capability is limited. Something Russia could potentially overwhelm, especially as deployments of Kalibr carriers accelerate. Selling them a top-level system like the S-400 is more then risky. Especially given that they're a NATO member.
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Is the S-400 deal really that bad for Russia? I expect it not to come with all the bells and whistles available to Russia itself and I expect them to have a good understanding of how to defeat it and most probably build in some backdoors.

All the while putting more pressure onto the relationship between Turkey and it's partners in Europe and NATO.

They sold the S-300PMU1s to Greece after all.
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Is the S-400 deal really that bad for Russia? I expect it not to come with all the bells and whistles available to Russia itself and I expect them to have a good understanding of how to defeat it and most probably build in some backdoors.

All the while putting more pressure onto the relationship between Turkey and it's partners in Europe and NATO.

They sold the S-300PMU1s to Greece after all.
They sold it to Cyprus. And Greece and Cyprus have a special relationship with Russia. That having been said, the S-300 was exported at a time when such things were possible. There was a different kind of leadership in Russia at that time. Today this seems far less likely.
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