Spanner in the works for military sales to Pakistan

[fieldmarshal]

I think most of the Pakistani not only on this forum but all around have "started counting the chickens even before we got the eggs" let alone waiting for the eggs to hatch. We can term this sheikh chillie syndrome. We Pakistani have been burnt so many times but stll we are yet to learn any thing.
Nothing is final untill its on the ground in Pak and as things stand we are still in discussion g/d on techinical matters. this f-16 deal will take at least three years to see the light of the day n in todays world three year is a long time n any thing could happen between now n than. So below is sowthin to sobore u all up and to make u realize that our enemies are hard at work even though they say they want to be friends with Pak
So ppl try to be cautiously optamistic as even the f-16s will not balance the power equation in our region.

Spanner in the works for military sales to Pakistan​

Bill moved in US House by 10 representatives

By Nadeem Malik
Link http://jang.com.pk/thenews/​

ISLAMABAD: There is a spanner in the works for Islamabad. A proposed Pakistan Proliferation Accountability Act 2005 in the US House of Representative has suggested prohibiting the provision of military assistance, sale, transfer or licensing of military equipment or technology to Pakistan.

The bill introduced by Representative Gary L Ackerman, with nine cosponsors, has been referred to the House Committee on International Relations. The law demands unrestricted access to Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan.

The United States lifted sanctions on military sales to Pakistan in recognition of its role as a frontline ally in war against terrorism. Pakistan, a traditional buyer of American and Chinese defence equipment, has already purchased military hardware worth $615 million, in addition to the ongoing process of $1.2 billion sales. The US also announced recently to meet the long-standing demand of Islamabad regarding the provision of F-16s.

The text of the proposed Act outlines certain findings of the Congress saying that Dr Khan, former director of the AQ Khan Research Laboratory in Pakistan and Special Adviser to the Prime Minister on the Strategic Programme with the status of a federal minister, established and operated an illegal international network which sold nuclear weapons and related technologies to a variety of countries.

It maintains that the network provided North Korea with complete uranium enrichment centrifuges and designs and a list of components necessary to manufacture additional uranium enrichment centrifuges.

It also claimed that the documents provided by the government of Libya to the government of United States and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) indicate the illegal international nuclear proliferation network established by Dr Khan provided Libya with designs of a nuclear weapon as well as centrifuges.

The Act adds the government of Pakistan acknowledged, in March 2005, that the illegal international nuclear proliferation network established by Dr Khan provided uranium enrichment centrifuges to Iran. It observed that the government of the United States still does not know the entire extent of the activities of the illegal international nuclear proliferation network established by Dr Khan and the government of Pakistan has not provided any opportunity for Washington to interview Dr Khan directly.

It is the sense of Congress, the proposed Act suggested, that the US has interest in knowing the full extent of the network established by Dr Khan, which sold nuclear weapons and related technologies to a variety of countries; and in order to ensure that the illegal international nuclear proliferation network established by Dr Khan has been dismantled, Dr. Khan should give a full accounting of the activities and participants of the network to the US government.

"No United States military assistance may be provided to Pakistan and no military equipment or technology may be sold, transferred, or licensed for sale to Pakistan pursuant to the authorities contained in the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (22 USC 2151 et seq) or any other Act unless the president first certifies to the appropriate congressional committees that the government of Pakistan has provided the United States with unrestricted opportunities to interview the Pakistani nuclear scientist, Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan, regarding the illegal international nuclear proliferation network established and operated by Dr Khan; the government of Pakistan has complied with requests for assistance from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) regarding the illegal international nuclear proliferation network, including by providing requested documents, materials, equipment, and access to individuals; and the government of the United States (a) has determined the full scope of the activities and participants of the illegal international nuclear proliferation network; (b) has determined the nature and extent of the illegal international nuclear proliferation network’s connection to al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden; and (c) in conjunction with the International Atomic Energy Agency, has confirmed that the illegal international nuclear proliferation network has been completely dismantled."

The co-sponsors of the Act include, some known pro-Indian Representatives, like Frank Pallone, Earl Blumenauer, Joseph Crowley, Eni FH Faleomavaega, Robert Menendez, David Price, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Brad Sherman and Diane Watson.

 

[pshamim]

There are many foreign paid Presslers in US Congress. One of them is Ackerman. Only this time, there will be no repetition of what Pressler did in the past, having a Pakistan specific bill passed in the US Congress, and then used against Pakistan.

Pressler never realized that rather than helping India, his bill would help Pakistan. Thanks to this Bill, it created insecurity in Pakistan which resulted Pakistan becoming a nuclear state. This effectively denied the Indians becoming the sole nuclear power in the region. Now it is one of the two and no more in a position of bullying its neighbors.

Many in the US now believe that US erred in not helping and supporting Pakistan after the Soviets left Afghanistan and vaporized. Pressler amendment resulted in destabilization of not only Pakistan but the entire region and spread of terrorism. Eventually, USA became the victim of this terrorism-and India and Pressler should be taking some responsibility for that too.

But we still have many shortsighted politicians like Ackerman and Pallone who fail to see the truth and in their zeal to please the Masters in Delhi, keep coming up with such frivolous attempts to weaken Pakistan and help doing India's dirty work.

I do not see this bill clearing the Committee. Even if it makes to the House floor, it will never pass with a veto proof margin

 

[fieldmarshal]

The main problem being faced by not only Pakistan but also the rest of the muslim world is the enemy within. We in Pak have many Mir Jaffar's amongst the ranks of our power elite, who just to remain in the lime light and grab power will litrally do any things, the banazirs n nawaz our sordid world.
if they were not their than the our enemies who ever they might be would have a tough time against us.
The us always looks for its interust and holds it supreme above all, at the moment it is in the intrest of the us to prop up mush by the provision of aid both eco n military. n mush i turn rather than making Pak strong is projecting and promoting him self while he should be strengthening the institutions.
Now this has been the misfortune of Pakistan, every leader after Jinnah has been projecting the fact that without him Pak will disintigrate.
But mushi"s "usefulness" to the us will come to an end sooner rather than later. Than wt?
To say that a powerfull Pak both economly and militarly is in the intrest of the us is basically taking an ostrichs view when faced with danger. As down the road the us interest are on a direct collision course with Pak, be it in the shape of india, isreal or may be us inself.
When mush talks of inlightened modaration that is basically a person with little knowledge about islam n as they say little knowledge is both bad n dangerous. Islam is "athadaal" the middle way. Its basic principle is tolarance.
Islam is a complete way of life, either ur a muslim or ur not a muslim thier are no two ways about it u cant just pick n choose the parts u like n leave the rest. So mr mush is playin a dangerous game n for this he might have to pay the ultimate price.
Now the neocons on capitol hill who so dispise the muslims and consider them their enemy, how could they all of a sudden develop love for a muslim Pak.
So we should be careful in our relationship with the us it ask for for ur sole in return for some bone it might throw u here n their.

 

[pshamim]

The main problem being faced by not only Pakistan but also the rest of the muslim world is the enemy within. We in Pak have many Mir Jaffar's amongst the ranks of our power elite, who just to remain in the lime light and grab power will litrally do any things, the banazirs n nawaz our sordid world.
Now this has been the misfortune of Pakistan, every leader after Jinnah has been projecting the fact that without him Pak will disintigrate.
But mushi"s "usefulness" to the us will come to an end sooner rather than later. Than wt?
To say that a powerfull Pak both economly and militarly is in the intrest of the us is basically taking an ostrichs view when faced with danger. When mush talks of inlightened modaration that is basically a person with little knowledge about islam n as they say little knowledge is both bad n dangerous. Islam is "athadaal" the middle way. Its basic principle is tolarance.
Islam is a complete way of life, either ur a muslim or ur not a muslim thier are no two ways about it u cant just pick n choose the parts u like n leave the rest. So mr mush is playin a dangerous game n for this he might have to pay the ultimate price.
Now the neocons on capitol hill who so dispise the muslims and consider them their enemy, how could they all of a sudden develop love for a muslim Pak.
So we should be careful in our relationship with the us it ask for for ur sole in return for some bone it might throw u here n their.

First of all, I feel that we should stick to the subject and avoid deviating from it. I agree with most of your post. However, points raised by you deserve a new thread and we can discuss them there.

Let me just say that the most unfortunate thing that Pakistan has experienced is the "Personality based Leadership" You can be in power if you have money or power. Starting from Iskandar Mirza to Musharraf, you only find few persons who have ruled the country. Do not blame just 1 person for the ills of Pakistan. Since the death of Liaqat Ali Khan, Pakistan never had democracy. Remember we had person's rule and not people's rule. If we had that, Bangladesh would still be East Pakistan.

The name of Islam has always been used whether they were military or civilian rulers. We have used Islam to intimidate muslims and non-muslims alike. Islam has been used to create rifts and and new divisions e.g. Red Pagri, Green Pagris, and God knows how many other pagris. We got to stop being emotional and stop being influenced by those who have divided the nation in the name of Islam.

We have Quaid-e-Azam who could have named the country an “Islamic Republic†if he had visualized the country as such. He categorically denied that Pakistan would be a theocracy or run by religious leaders. He declared that all citizens of Pakistan would be equal regardless of cast, creed, color and religious sects. He assured the minorities that their rights will be well-protected and that there would be no obstruction in the performance of their religious activities and rites. He assured them that they would live comfortably in Pakistan.

People like Benazir and Nawaz have done tremendous harm to the country. People like them and their powerful supporters, many in the present government are all filthy rich. The Waderas and Zamindar do not pay even a single penny in tax, and since they are always in power, whether civlian or military, do not let a law passed to tax the agriculture income because it will hurt them.

I do not care if rulers of Pakistan come from military or civilian sector. We need people who are not corrupt and can make decissio, no matter how unpopular it is, in the interest of Pakistan and its citizens.

 

[P.A.F]

the problem is that we have 2 great leader but the most corrupt ******* surrounding them (not all are like that). these corrupt guys have been given high Priority in our government and they are using that to there advantage. they need to be restricted from these privalages else pakistan will struggle!!!

 

[pshamim]

the problem is that we have 2 great leader but the most corrupt ******* surrounding them (not all are like that). these corrupt guys have been given high Priority in our government and they are using that to there advantage. they need to be restricted from these privalages else pakistan will struggle!!!

I totally agree. Musharraf and Shaukat Aziz have been scandal free and there has been no indication of them making any personal financial gains. Tragedy is that many others in the cabinet and Government have been corrupt in the past. So far they do not seem to have influenced Pres. Musharraf and PM Aziz much. Not a ideal situation but nenetheless better than it had been under others. Country has benefited from these two and that is what counts in the end.

 

[fieldmarshal]

I dont agree with any 1 sayin that mush n mr aziz are not corrupt. u just dont ave to be corrupt in a financial sense but a even bigger issue is moral corruption n on this account our president is corrupt as hell. He has made a fool of him self on so many occusions with his drunkeness that it is not even funny any more and to go along this is womenising scandals that crop up every now n than. N mr aziz may be he is not making money but his friends sure are and mushis son has also entered the fray with his assocation with the bahria town guy. So things arent as clean as they are made out to be.
to say that mush is clean n is surrounded by scondrals is not fair, as it is mush who chose them n put them in their present positions. Take the chaudheries for example they are the most corrupt of the lot they swindled billions in the co-op scandal n than after the nuclear blast were the first to transfer funds from Pak to foreign shores. take tariq aziz he is a big gambler n he holds the most imp position n is the closest to mush.They still are at it, it is just that their methods have changed. n the list goes on n on.
mush due to his drunkeness is loosing control n fast, it is clouding his judgement hence we see tariq aziz n the shujhaats.
So dont just look at the serfice dig a little n u cant miss the rot.

 

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