Serious Act of Aggression? China Attempted To Blind U.S. Satellites With Laser

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China Attempted To Blind U.S. Satellites With Laser

By VAGO MURADIAN


China has fired high-power lasers at U.S. spy satellites flying over its territory in what experts see as a test of Chinese ability to blind the spacecraft, according to sources.
It remains unclear how many times the ground-based laser was tested against U.S. spacecraft or whether it was successful.
But the combination of China’s efforts and advances in Russian satellite jamming capabilities illustrate vulnerabilities to the U.S. space network are at the core of U.S. Air Force plans to develop new space architectures and highly classified systems, according to sources.
According to experts, lasers — depending on their power level — could blind electro-optical satellites like the giant Keyhole spacecraft or even interfere with radar satellites like the Lacrosse. Blinding, one source said, is different than disabling given the enormous power required to shoot a laser through the dense lower atmosphere and reach a fast-moving satellite in space. The hardware on the spacecraft can’t be changed given they’re in orbit, but software changes can help them weather disruptive attacks.
Russian jamming systems are publicly known — the Air Force destroyed such a system deployed to Iraq to keep American GPS guided bombs from finding their targets during the 2003. The site was destroyed by GPS guided bombs.
Pentagon officials, however, have kept quiet regarding China’s efforts as part of a Bush administration policy to keep from angering Beijing, which is a leading U.S. trading partner and seen as key to dealing with onerous states like North Korea and Iran.
Even the Pentagon’s recent China report failed to mention Beijing’s efforts to blind U.S. reconnaissance satellites. Rather, after a contentious debate, the White House directed the Pentagon to limit its concern to one line. In that one line, the report merely acknowledges China has the ability to blind U.S. satellites, thanks to a powerful ground-based laser capable of firing a beam of light at an optical reconnaissance satellite to keep it from taking pictures as it passes overhead.
According to top officials, however, China not only has the capability, but has exercised it. It is not clear when China first used lasers to attack American satellites. Sources would only say that there have been several tests over the past several years.
“The Chinese are very strategically minded and are extremely active in this arena,” said one senior former Pentagon official. “They really believe all the stuff written in the 1980s about the high frontier and are looking at symmetrical and asymmetrical means to offset American dominance in space.”
China’s burgeoning anti-satellite capabilities are further evidence of Beijing’s focused military strategy that aims not to engage the United States in direct confrontation, but through asymmetric means, according to Andrew Krepinevich of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in Washington.
Krepinevich points out that China has outlined a set of capabilities it refers to as “Assassins Mace” to keep U.S. forces in the region at risk and away from China’s borders, and tailored to undermine each U.S. advantage from submarine to satellite capabilities.
For their part, service officials are not expressing alarm at efforts to counter the U.S. space advantage, explaining that such moves are predictable and understandable. But they are taking it seriously enough to test ground-based lasers against their own spacecraft to determine their efficacy and map space architectures that are resilient enough to resist such attacks.
The problem, according to sources, is that current satellites are large, on predictable orbits that are easy to track and have scant defenses against lasers.
The United States operates three large optical reconnaissance satellites of the Keyhole-series by Lockheed Martin that were introduced some three decades ago. The loss of any of the three would prove a blow to U.S. space capabilities, sources said, which is why they will be replaced by a large constellation of spacecraft under the Future Imagery Architecture program by Boeing and Lockheed.
Top officials, among them Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne, flatly declined to comment on whether China has attempted to blind its satellites. Chinese officials could not be reached for comment at press time.
Wynne did, however, acknowledge that the Air Force’s space plans are shaped recognizing that potential foes will seek asymmetric means to harm a U.S. space network that gives the American military an enormous edge.
The goal, Wynne said, is to minimize the impact that real-life attacks would have on U.S. space capabilities through a networked architecture that can lose nodes but keep functioning.
Wynne stressed that what’s at stake isn’t merely U.S. military superiority, but the fate of global commerce because signals from Air Force GPS satellites are critical to everything from airline and maritime commerce to car navigation systems.
And unlike the 1980’s threat from Soviet anti-satellite plans, future space attacks will be limited in scope, Wynne said.
“At the time, the Soviets were always talking about a bald-faced assault,” he said. Future “asymmetric attacks are going to be local to try to mask out our capabilities in one region. The trick to winning asymmetrical warfare is to make it irrelevant.”
He said a new generation of GPS 3 satellite “will make further assaults and jamming efforts irrelevant.”
Doing “space and ISR through very different means … means asking good questions,” he said. “Do 22,200-mile-high orbits make sense? Does an orbital periodicity that is well known to any adversary have any relevance today? What you really want is assured situational awareness, position location and communications capabilities.”
But analysts, executives and even officials within the Pentagon have criticized the Air Force, arguing that the service is talking a good game but falling short on execution — largely for lack of budget.
One veteran space industry executive expressed shock at how limited the debate has been to better secure U.S. spacecraft, given the evidence that nations are investing in systems to blind American leaders in a future crisis.
The reason, executives and analysts said, is that such safeguards are complicated and expensive, and become targets when programs go over budget or fall behind schedule.
Case in point? One source said the Pentagon is so thirsty for more bandwidth to handle burgeoning communications demands that it has been short-changing security, which consumes bandwidth.
“It’s a tradeoff,” said one industry source. “And so far, the pressure has been for capacity over security.”
According to analyst Loren Thompson of the Lexington Institute, the Air Force is making poor investment choices not only in space, but ISR programs.
“The U.S. Air Force’s ambitious plan for fielding orbital and airborne reconnaissance systems has begun to come unhinged in the budget process from Space Radar, to missile warning to future radar planes, the whole mission area seems to be melting down,” Thompson said.
Wynne contends that space programs are merely in the process of being restructured to rein in cost increases and schedule slips. Wynne also argues that the F-22 fighter’s powerful radar and electronic capabilities allow it to perform the roles of larger existing aircraft like the Joint Surveillance Target Attack Radar System, the Airborne Warning and Control System and the Rivet Joint, allowing the service to forgo investment in aircraft that are vulnerable to a new generation of powerful surface-to-air missiles.
“I’m probably the biggest supporter of the F-22 outside the Air Force, and while it’s the best fighter ever and can do these jobs, but not as well as dedicated assets that have the ability to stay on station far longer,” Thompson said. “Osama bin Laden is still at large and there are known vulnerabilities to our space systems. In this environment, it’s odd that the Air Force is cutting its orbital, manned and unmanned reconnaissance assets while presenting the F-22 as a reconnaissance platform. The point is, where are we deficient, firepower or finding the enemy?”
As for China specifically, Thompson said the country has a right to defend itself.
“If you keep looking over the fence at you neighbor’s back yard, you’re going to get poked in the eye, so it’s not surprising that China might be worried about U.S. forces stationed on their doorstep,” Thompson said. “They don’t like it and are figuring out how to poke us in the eye. Now I’m no great admirer of the Chinese leadership, but how would we feel if the Chinese had their aircraft carriers off Long Island. That’s why we have to do a better job of protecting ourselves and I’m afraid that’s not what we’re doing.”
The former Pentagon official put it more bluntly.
“The Air Force is trying to put a happy face on this,” he said. “It’s not that they don’t know what do. It’s that they don’t have the money in their space budget. It’s that simple.”
Another factor is the sheer complexity of building satellites that has fueled cost overruns and schedule delays. For example, the Air Force originally envisioned the National Polar Orbiting Environmental Observation Satellite as a powerful new climate spacecraft. But departments across the government added their unique payloads to the spacecraft, causing integration challenges and cost growth.
The same happens on classified spacecraft as intelligence agencies pile on payloads. Then there is the challenge of ensuring that the technology that is on the spacecraft is the best possible given it will be in orbit for a decade or more.
“Unlike an airplane, once you launch something into space you can’t upgrade it again, so when it comes to technology, you are often reworking your system to get the best available in there because you know that it’s going to be around for a long time once it’s in orbit,” the former official said. “So when people talk about cost, that’s a piece of it. It’s even harder when you’re trying to protect yourself against threats over the next 50 years.”

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dgadams1

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Not On the Chinese Side But...

I think the article stated it quite plainly. We have spy satellites spying on them and they don't like it. What can they do? Are we so cocky that we can say....'Let us spy on you and you're wrong if you try and stop us?'

Basically it's a game. Now we gotta build better satellites that don't have a predictable orbit. We've won for 30 years. Now it's time to change our strategy.
 

Waylander

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I agree with you.
What if somebody spies with hits binoculars inot your living room every night and someday uses a maglight to blend you?
Is the one with the light the one who's wrong?
 

Grand Danois

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Waylander said:
I agree with you.
What if somebody spies with hits binoculars inot your living room every night and someday uses a maglight to blend you?
Is the one with the light the one who's wrong?
Neither the US nor the Soviet Union attacked each others space based ISR assets during the Cold War... They just accepted they were being watched by the enemy. Why? Because if you start attacking the space based ISR assets, then you are dismantling the early warning infrastructure of a nuclear defense. It would trigger a nuclear war in those days.

Simple as that.

If true, then the Chinese are playing dangerous games.
 
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RubiconNZ

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Grand Danois said:
Neither the US nor the Soviet Union attacked each others space based ISR assets during the Cold War... They just accepted they were being watched by the enemy. Why? Because if you start attacking the space based ISR assets, then you are dismantling the early warning infrastructure of a nuclear defense. It would trigger a nuclear war in those days.

Simple as that.

The Chinese are playing dangerous games.
To quote a great philospher
To stop Superman from looking at your underwear, wear lead pants.

If china is worried about its neighbours looking in hide stuff better don't go poking eyes or youre gonna annoy someone.
 

Red aRRow

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Shining lights of particular wavelengths to 'blind' the sensor gathering gear on spy satellites doesn't fall in my definition of an 'attack'. Its a perfectly sensible countering technique to spying.
 

RubiconNZ

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It does make sense

But my main premise is does it not fall into Electronic jamming, If the US turned on Electronic Jamers to block Chinese coastal installations does it not constitute aggression?
 

Grand Danois

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Red aRRow said:
Shining lights of particular wavelengths to 'blind' the sensor gathering gear on spy satellites doesn't fall in my definition of an 'attack'. Its a perfectly sensible countering technique to spying.
So blinding the EW ISR satellites that should detect the hot exhaust plume of an ICBM/IRBM launch is not attacking?

The reduction in response time would be 5-6 minutes, which is what the US Prez has at his disposal for making a decision. But heck, automate the nuclear response instead. Then it is not a problem anymore.
 

Todjaeger

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I don't think China attempting to blind a US satellite during a pass is an act of aggression, but it is worrisome. From what I understand, the Soviets would blind some of the US NRO assets at times when they were engaging in something they didn't want the West to know about, or just to keep us on our toes. This wasn't however, attempts to permanently damage/disable the satellite assets.

If all China was doing was attempting to keep the US in, well, the dark, that is worrisome because then one must ask the question, "What is China trying to hide, and Why?" Or was this merely a test of China's ability to blind US assets in the future? If it was the latter, then I am somewhat relieved that China tipped their hand early. It is better to know a foe's ability, than to be blindsided by it.

On the other hand, if this wasn't an attempt to deny US recon during a pass, but an actual attempt to disable/damage the satellite, then that would be an aggressive move.
 

Red aRRow

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Having a satellite over your head looking at your is a much more aggressive posture than actually 'blinding' it by EM waves. From my perspective it's a defencive move.

People are looking at the situation from their own perspectives I guess.
 
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merocaine

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If the Americans were so worried about it they would act, it not like them to back down if the feel they've been provoked.
This whole thing seems to be an attempt to wrangle more funding for the airforce.
Where did this article pop up?
 

Grand Danois

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Red aRRow said:
Having a satellite over your head looking at your is a much more aggressive posture than actually 'blinding' it by EM waves. From my perspective it's a defencive move.

People are looking at the situation from their own perspectives I guess.
Actually when either side knows what the other is up to, it defuses the situation. Another reason why they let them be during the Cold war.
 

Grand Danois

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merocaine said:
If the Americans were so worried about it they would act, it not like them to back down if the feel they've been provoked.
This whole thing seems to be an attempt to wrangle more funding for the airforce.
Where did this article pop up?
That was why I added "If true..." into my first post.

It could be China alarmists or info warfare at play. many possibilities. :D
 

Todjaeger

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merocaine said:
If the Americans were so worried about it they would act, it not like them to back down if the feel they've been provoked.
This whole thing seems to be an attempt to wrangle more funding for the airforce.
Where did this article pop up?
The Air Force, trying to get more funding out of Congress? Perish the thought!:rolleyes:

That may well be the actual case. Still, the build-up/modernization of Chinese forces can be worrisome depending on what light it is viewed in. I do wonder if this is a new development for China, why they wouldn't have tried it out on their own resources first, instead of allowing the West to find out by the test.
 

Aussie

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Chinese aggression is dangerous as those war mongers lead the world to another conflagration.

This is just a continuation of the P-3 ramming.

What is more shocking is the US response.

We use to retaliate for such acts of aggression where if they rammed one of our submarines, we would ram one of theirs (I know as I had seen those bashed up subs limp into port at Mare Island); If they buzzed one of our warships, we buzzed two of their military bases; they shoot down a civilian airliner, we form a blockade against Soviet Trade and make them go bankrupt.

Unfortunately the chinese have money, lots of it. Instead of retaliating our President (Clinton) accepts a $100,000 donation (bribe) to let a chinese spy spend the night at the White House Bed and Breakfast INN. This kind of thing only invites further type of behaviour because it is now thought as acceptable. Destroy a satellite-pay for one nights stay at the white house-just that now its ol' Dubya Jr. taking the money.

We should retaliate in a similar manner against one of their satellites PERIOD-end of discussion. They are a communist government and hence by that manifesto the greater good of no secrets from the government (in this case the world governing body) should prevail and this not looked at as SPYING and instead looked at as keeping tabs on the neighbors.

There is also the violation of all the treaties regarding the use of space and it not falling under the territorial jurisdiction of the nation below,

The worse thing about this though is that after they damage/destroy our satellite we would have to replace it with another one made with all Chinese components but with a wrapper that says MADE IN USA!
 

Big-E

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I don't think China could get a laser to hit the lense of a satellite. For that concept to work a beam would have to hit a lense that was looking straight down. Imaging satellites vary rarely get their images straight down, they are generally off to a 5-10 degree angle when operating. Their orbits hardly ever directly cross a target which would be necessary for a direct hit on the lense.
 

contedicavour

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Ok so the Chinese tried to blind a satellite.
May be defensive, may be aggressive, but technology evolves very fast...

What about installing lasers on satellites so that they could retaliate if attacked ? Or at the least, install an early warning system capable of changing the satellite's position fast enough to evade the laser beam coming from several thousand meters beneath ?

cheers
 

dioditto

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contedicavour said:
Ok so the Chinese tried to blind a satellite.
May be defensive, may be aggressive, but technology evolves very fast...

What about installing lasers on satellites so that they could retaliate if attacked ? Or at the least, install an early warning system capable of changing the satellite's position fast enough to evade the laser beam coming from several thousand meters beneath ?

cheers

Are you erm.. kidding me? LOL.. to dodge a lightbeam.
 
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RubiconNZ

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dioditto said:
Are you shitting me? LOL.. to dodge a lightbeam.
One world energy shields wait thats two. It would only involve detecting the massive energy required to send a beam several klicks to reach the key holes then move a foot each way.

But seriously I wonder about countermeasures.
 
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