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Old October 1st, 2016   #91
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Also combined coastal AShM and air-defense training took place. Note that the Rubezh AShM is quite old, and the Pantsyr while modern is only SHORAD. But given the difficulty of deploying significant assets to the Arctic it's quite likely that they will be adequate for present and near-future threats.

Учения ОСК СФ районе Новосибирских островов по защите островной зоны и морского побережья *оссии - nortwolf_sam
It's actually pretty impressive that they have P-15s still in operation, considering the maintenance problems associated w/the fuel.
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It's actually pretty impressive that they have P-15s still in operation, considering the maintenance problems associated w/the fuel.
They've been operational this whole time on multiple fleets, and presumably are still in production. Most Coastal AShM Bdes were reduced to one btln of Rubezh and one btln of Redut units. Now they're being expanded again, but as new Bastion and Bal systems come online, the old ones aren't all being retired. Instead some are retained alongside, expanding the size of the units, or in this case the Rubezh was selected as the system to go to the Arctic. Likely because it's a time tested system. For new systems like Pantsyr and Tor SAMs for example, a special Arctic variant had to be developed. It's not clear whether this was due to limitations of existing systems or just for improved performance.

Anyways, it appears we will continue to see the venerable P-15 for quite some time yet.

УЧЕНИЯ *АКЕТЧИКОВ - НА ТИХООКЕАНСКОМ *УБЕЖЕ
Б*АВо - точно в цель!! - НА ТИХООКЕАНСКОМ *УБЕЖЕ
Учения продолжаются... - НА ТИХООКЕАНСКОМ *УБЕЖЕ
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Interesting exercises are taking place right now where an composite unit from the newly-formed Arctic brigade, and the northern fleet, is making a 1000 km forced march in Arctic conditions. They're using snow-mobiles and off-road vehicles. In the process they are also testing the new Arctic weather gear, and demonstrating capability for a motorized-infantry unit to operate in those conditions for extended periods of time.

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More photos from the 80th Arctic Bde. Note the exotic transport.

80-я арктическая - nortwolf_sam
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must be russian mil photos as identical shots are appearing in the Barents Observer

they're receiving lessons from the Smi area herders in Lovozero, in the Kola Peninsula
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Testing of new Arctic vehicles continues. Note the DT-30s aren't strictly speaking new but I've never seem them tow more then a single trailer before.

Испытания новых образцов новых образцов ВВСТ в условиях Арктики - nortwolf_sam

A note, in MD East the Marines in Kamchatka (3rd Marine Regiment last time I checked) are also being designated for Arctic Warfare. Note the non-standard snow shoes and Arctic pattern uniforms.

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The 2017 victory parade promises to be interesting. Arctic versions of the Pantsyr-S1 and Tor-M (1? 2?) will be shown, on what appear to be DT-30 transporters. This is an interesting priority, given that plenty of motor-rifle units continue to use outdated OSA SAMs. And of course plenty of theater-SAM regiments still lack their SHORAD companions.

Ÿе€вая о‚ꈋ‚ая €епе‚и†ия Ÿа€ада Ÿобед‹ в Алабино: dambiev

EDIT: Apparently it's the Tor-M2.

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I remember reading a joke somewhere that human-induced climate change was a conspiracy to invade Russia. A play off of the history of failed invasions of Russia due to the brutal winters there.

While it is not a serious statement by any means, perhaps it does raise an important observation that the Arctic is becoming increasingly accessible, whether that is through climate change or modern technological advances, and the implications it has for Russia's security and defense concerns.

The way will be opened up to tapping many resources present in the Arctic. If enough sea ice melts, it could also mean new shipping lanes. If we use our imagination and think ahead very long term, it's easy to see a lot of development and disputes happening in the region, with a lot of economic implications. An interesting thought is that we may even see the rise of booming Arctic coastal cities, but that is pure speculation.

Although there is a sort of agreement going on with the Arctic Council and various treaties, I am inclined to think that thinking there will be multilateral and tension-free resolutions to any disputes is optimistic. That may just be me.

Current international issues center around Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and the Pacific, but perhaps someday in the future the Arctic will take center stage as the number one issue in global politics. When that day comes, nations will want to have leverage.

Maybe it is with these long term considerations in mind, that Russia is prioritizing its ability to aggressively influence the Arctic with its military, as evidenced by even its deployment of SAM systems.

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You're correct. Russia is heavily investing in an upgraded icebreaker fleet, including new nukes. Also the two Arctic Bdes (the 80th and 200th) are being combined into a new Army Corps, with it's own C4I btln, and likely some other support elements. They will work with the Northern Fleet, likely as part of JOC North Fleet.

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Feanor I cannot work out why so many S-400 systems and S-300's are needed in the Arctic? What do they have in mind?
S-400 is needed to intercept the B-52, B-1, B-2 and escort fighters. The road from the USA to Russia passes through the North Pole. Therefore, the interception zone there is optimal.

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I remember reading a joke somewhere that human-induced climate change was a conspiracy to invade Russia. A play off of the history of failed invasions of Russia due to the brutal winters there.

While it is not a serious statement by any means, perhaps it does raise an important observation that the Arctic is becoming increasingly accessible, whether that is through climate change or modern technological advances, and the implications it has for Russia's security and defense concerns.

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Although there is a sort of agreement going on with the Arctic Council and various treaties, I am inclined to think that thinking there will be multilateral and tension-free resolutions to any disputes is optimistic. That may just be me.

Current international issues center around Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and the Pacific, but perhaps someday in the future the Arctic will take center stage as the number one issue in global politics. When that day comes, nations will want to have leverage.

Maybe it is with these long term considerations in mind, that Russia is prioritizing its ability to aggressively influence the Arctic with its military, as evidenced by even its deployment of SAM systems.

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Good analysis! And the true motives of Russia are shown. Russia defends its resources in the Arctic. Russia is building up its military power in the territory of its Arctic sector in conditions of global Anglo-Saxon aggression. This is a very explosive situation after 2014. Now Russia openly shows that it will not tolerate aggression. This warning is not in words but in the form of military means ...
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Good analysis! And the true motives of Russia are shown. Russia defends its resources in the Arctic. Russia is building up its military power in the territory of its Arctic sector in conditions of global Anglo-Saxon aggression. This is a very explosive situation after 2014. Now Russia openly shows that it will not tolerate aggression. This warning is not in words but in the form of military means ...
You know very well that Arctic claims are far from resolved. Russia is not just defending established territory, it's putting itself in a position to be the only one who can back their Arctic claims militarily. And this is being pursued at every level, from icebreakers, to airfields, to deployment of anti-ship and anti-air missile systems. This all has very little to do with Anglos or Saxons. I suggest you look into who is claiming what in terms of control of the Arctic.
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You know very well that Arctic claims are far from resolved. Russia is not just defending established territory, it's putting itself in a position to be the only one who can back their Arctic claims militarily. And this is being pursued at every level, from icebreakers, to airfields, to deployment of anti-ship and anti-air missile systems. This all has very little to do with Anglos or Saxons. I suggest you look into who is claiming what in terms of control of the Arctic.
In May 1925, Canada officially consolidated its right to its Arctic sector between its coast and the North Pole. The USSR did the same in 1926. Russia is indeed the ONLY military defender of its Arctic territories. Russia does not pretend and has never claimed the Arctic sectors of other countries. Russia is only defending its rights to its Arctic sector between its coast and the North Pole. While other countries dream of starting activities in the Russian Arctic sector. Regarding icebreakers ... Russia has nuclear icebreakers for more than 50 years. They have been used for more than 50 years for peaceful activities on the Arctic coast of Russia, in the Russian sector of the Arctic. Therefore, there is nothing special about this. More than 80 years ago the USSR began to intensively develop its Arctic sector. And the other northern countries did not have any claims. But after the 90s, the Anglo-Saxons decided that Russia is weak and it is possible to take the Arctic sector from Russia. Therefore, the information war began against Russian interests in the Arctic. So now Russia is FORCED to strengthen its arguments with the help of military force. This is absolutely normal. Russia is the owner of its Arctic sector and its islands in the Arctic. In addition, Russia tells everyone that the Northern Sea Route from Murmansk to the Bering Sea is our national project and only Russia will control this transport corridor. This is perfectly legal because all the straits on this transport route are national territories, these are the territories of Russia. Due to the fact that since the beginning of the 1990s Anglo-Saxon newspapers are trying to wage an information war against Russian legitimate interests in the Arctic sector and the governments of the Arctic states are making aggressive statements against Russia's interests in the Russian Arctic sector, Russia is forced to put in advance powerful military garrisons in the Russian Islands in the Arctic. This can only bother the aggressors. Therefore, Russia has never claimed a claim to foreign territory in the Arraktika. Russia has never declared its interests on foreign sectors in the Arctic. Russia defends only its Arctic sector and its national territories and transport routes in the Arctic. Relax guys
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