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Old March 16th, 2012   #46
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While I stopped paying close attention to Russia around 1990 it does seem that the main issue for the Russian Army at this point really isn't equipment but getting a handle on personnel issues. The original plan was to expand the number of contract troops and reduce conscripts, then this was reversed and quite soon thereafter there were calls for again reducing conscripts.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but it appears struggles continue with developing both the NCO and officer corp? Have all the officers that were forced into NCO slots finally been returned to their proper career path? It's not really clear to me that Russia will be able to run procurement properly without first establishing a more professional personnel base. Too many general officers involved with corruption appear to be just quietly retired, among other issue.
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They're having trouble with the NCO corps. I don't know what the situation is with officers. It's hard to tell with the current upheaval. They're planning to increase contract soldiers by 50 000 a year, with it to peak at 425 000 contract soldiers in iirc 2017. That's the plan at least. They have taken to re-training all contract soldiers under new programs, re-certifying their MOS's etc. There is also a new professional NCO school, the first graduating class should be this year.
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I dont get this graph from Rian.ru. The Russian armed forces is being reduced. But acourding to the graph the ground forces will be droped by 90%. This cant be right can it?

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But acourding to the graph the ground forces will be droped by 90%.
The number of units is being dropped by 90%. Most of that is by the abolishment of the regimental level and regrouping its subunits directly into brigades. The 172 remaining units are the 4 military districts, the operational commands and the brigades, the previous unit number included the regiments.
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The number of units is being dropped by 90%. Most of that is by the abolishment of the regimental level and regrouping its subunits directly into brigades. The 172 remaining units are the 4 military districts, the operational commands and the brigades, the previous unit number included the regiments.
Also by entirely eliminating a large number of cadre-strength units.

I've found a photo of what may be the Kamaz Taifun undergoing experimental exploitation in the 5th Motor-Rifles Brigade. This photo is on the MoD website from the official visit by Putin and Medvedev. The vehicle looks like it could be a Kamaz Taifun, and it certainly doesn't look like any currently existing Russian armored vehicle. Granted it might be some other armored truck variant, but those are usually in service in the North Caucus.

http://multimedia.mil.ru/images/mili...o/SAV_5991.jpg

The rest of the set is here: http://multimedia.mil.ru/multimedia/...msPhotoGallery
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came across this link, but as my russian is limited to Mockba and military acronyms - I can't understand any of it

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Interesting photos, the text isn't that important. He (or she) describes what he found on a walk through a forest in Podmoskove, but doesn't give any detailed information on the vehicles seen.
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came across this link, but as my russian is limited to Mockba and military acronyms - I can't understand any of it

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Of you want I can give a full translation, but there is little of significance in the text. Mostly it's him wandering around a vehicle graveyard of what appears to be a former air-defense unit. He's marveling at the quantities of abandoned hardware, and the intactness of some of the equipment.

It does make one wonder. A lot of those vehicles are still in service else-where. BTR-60PB specialized variants are still in use in quite a few rear units (combat engineers command vehicles for example). And despite mass purchases of Kamaz trucks by the MoD older vehicles are still around. In my opinion it would be possible to sell a lot of this equipment second-hand on the cheap, if it was properly stored rather then left to rot. Ukraine is to this day still selling Soviet stockpiles.

EDIT: It seems that after these reforms and shakedowns ended they ended up with extra personnel which are now being used to form several additional units, namely the 130th Motor-Rifles Brigade, 346th Independent Brigade (presumably also M-R) and a 25th SpetzNaz Regiment. Also all the regional training centers are being reformed on a district basis, into multi-purpose training centers.

http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=104899&cid=25

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Found this clip with a train transporting russian military vehicles to Abkhazia back in 2010. Is it relly T-90 we are seing?

Russian T-90 Invade to Abkhazia,Georgia 26-10-2011 - YouTube
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T-90As have been in Abkhazia since iirc 2009. The 7th MilBase in Abkhazia has been re-armed, as a high priority unit, as has the 19th Motor-Rifles Bde in North Ossetia.

Overall MD South has been getting the most new gear. Between 2/3rds and 3/4ths of all T-90A in service are South MD. Most of the Tigr armored cars are there. Most of the Mi-28N, all of the Mi-35M, helos are there. Most of the BPM-97 Vystrel armored cars, and all of the BTR-82 APCs are in South MD. They also have more modern comm gear, and personal gear, including flak jackets, kevlars, NVGs, etc. In my opinion it's the most powerful MD currently in the Russian military.
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Massive scrapping of older tanks in the russian armed forces continue.

The source claims that the tanks being scrapped is T-55,T-64 and T-80.
Now im sure its just the older T-80 that will be taken out of service, but why is no T-72 in the scrapping list?


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Other sources talk about T-55, T-62, and T-64. It might be a mistake on ria novosti's part. They're also scrapping a ton of the older Soviet-era trucks. They've been buying trucks in the tens of thousands, and these purchases are continuing so hopefully they'll be able to phase out all the older ones soon.

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Now im sure its just the older T-80 that will be taken out of service, but why is no T-72 in the scrapping list?
T-72s will be kept and modernized. T-72B is very similar to older T-90 model.
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Does anyone have info regarding the new C2 system deployed in 2007? (YeSU-TZ)
from Sozvezdie? (The Digital Brigade concept)

Implementation, effectiveness, advantages, drawbacks etc
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Does anyone have info regarding the new C2 system deployed in 2007? (YeSU-TZ)
from Sozvezdie? (The Digital Brigade concept)

Implementation, effectiveness, advantages, drawbacks etc
Apparently the results of experimental exploitation were obtained, and based on it recommendations were made to the company. The Sozvezdie M2 was shown in iirc late 2011. I don't know if purchases were made.

I do know that the VDV has chosen their own C4ISR system, the Andromeda, two VDV divisions, and the 31st Para-Assault Bde already have the system (though whether they have been equipped with it completely, or just have a few examples of it, I don't know).
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