Go Back   DefenceTalk Forum - Military & Defense Forums > Global Defense & Military > Army & Security Forces

Defense News
Land, Air & Naval Forces






Military Photos
Latest Military Pictures
Defense Reports
Aerospace & Defence


Malaysian Army/Land forces discussions

This is a discussion on Malaysian Army/Land forces discussions within the Army & Security Forces forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; ...


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 5 votes, 4.80 average.
Old February 13th, 2007   #31
Defense Enthusiast
Master Sergeant
No Avatar
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 397
Threads:
hey guys, I have a little news about our PT-91M.
Quote:
Bumar: Czołg PT-91M pomyślnie przeszedł testy w Malezji
2007-02-11 14:44
Czołg PT-91M

Produkowany przez gliwicką fabrykę Bumar- Łabędy czołg PT-91M, zwany "Malajem", pomyślnie przeszedł trwające ponad miesiąc testy w Malezji. Najdalej w kwietniu pierwsze egzemplarze pojazdu trafią do tego kraju. Tym samym rozpocznie się realizacja wartego ok. 370 mln USD kontraktu.

W niedzielę samolot transportowy Rusłan przywiózł na lotnisko w podkatowickich Pyrzowicach egzemplarz czołgu PT-91M, który w końcu grudnia został wysłany na testy do Malezji. Jak poinformował PAP prezes Zakładów Mechanicznych Bumar-Łabędy, Artur Trzeciakowski, wszystkie, nawet najtrudniejsze próby wypadły dobrze.

"Jeszcze nigdy w historii zakładu nie realizowaliśmy tak trudnych prób. Przejechanie przez czołg 2100 km to 20-25 proc. tego, co zakłada się na cały okres jego eksploatacji, wynoszący zwykle ok. 25 lat" - powiedział w niedzielę prezes.

Czołg dla Malezji, potocznie zwany przez jego twórców "Malajem", oparty jest na konstrukcji znanego czołgu "Twardy", na potrzeby kontraktu został jednak istotnie zmodyfikowany. W Malezji przeszedł zarówno próby terenowe, jak i dystansowe. Jeździł po bezdrożach, plażach, ale i po autostradach. Kontrahenci sprawdzali m.in. jak pokonuje przeszkody oraz jak daje sobie radę w trudnych warunkach klimatycznych i terenowych.

Teraz do wykonania pozostały jeszcze próby strzelania, które odbędą się w Polsce. "W Malezji nie wykonuje się prób strzelania ostrą amunicją; nie ma do tego warunków. Strefa ochronna wynosi 40 km. Dlatego próby będą przeprowadzone w Polsce. Rozpoczną się za tydzień i potrwają mniej więcej do końca lutego" - dodał Trzeciakowski.

Podkreślił, że pomyślne testy w Malezji to olbrzymi krok w kierunku rozpoczęcia realizacji podpisanego w 2003 r. kontraktu - największego tego typu w ostatnich latach. Przewiduje on dostawę do Malezji 64 pojazdów wojskowych, w tym 48 czołgów. Pozostałe - to wozy zabezpieczenia technicznego, czołgi inżynieryjne i tzw. mosty towarzyszące. Ma to nastąpić do końca roku. Wartość kontraktu szacuje się na ok. 370 mln dolarów.

Pierwsze trzy pojazdy pozostaną w Polsce i posłużą do szkolenia malezyjskich użytkowników. Będą gotowe już w marcu. Do Malezji pierwsze czołgi polecą najdalej na początku kwietnia. (PAP)
A translator result
Quote:
By produced factory gliwicką Bumar - tank Łabędy PT-91M, called " " Malajem, it has proceeded over month in malaysia prosperously tests lasting. First copies of vehicles will hit in april for this country furthest. Worth realization will be started same ok. 370 Million USD OF contract.

Transport aircraft has brought to sunday on airport in (to) copy tank Rusłan podkatowickich Pyrzowicach PT-91M, which (who) has been sent at the end of december on tests for malaysia. As chairman of mechanical plant (bet) has informed TARPAPERS (MUZZLES) Bumar-Łabędy, arthur Trzeciakowski, all, most hard attempts (tests) have fallen out (have should) even well < goods (right) >. Never we realized hard attempts (tests; probations) in history of plant (bet) " else so. Crossing it by tank 2100 km 20-25 this percent, that bets on its (his) whole period of exploitation, usually < ordinary > ok totaling (take away; amount to). Lat (summer; year) 25 " chairman has said to sunday -.


Tank for malaysia, by its (his) framer ordinary called " " Malajem, it is based < base (resist) > on construction of known tank " hard ", however, it has been modified on requirements of contracts importantly. It has proceeded in malaysia local attempt (test) equal, as well as remote. It commuted after pathless tracts, beaches, and also after highways. Among others, trade partners checked as it overcomes barriers and as it gives advice (council) in hard climatic conditions and local. Now attempts of (tests of) shooting remain for execution else, which (who) will proceed in poland. It is not executed attempts of (tests of; probations of) shooting in malaysia sharp ammunition "; does not have conditions for it. So, protective zone totals (take away; amount to) attempts (tests) be carry in poland 40 .km. They will be started for week and they will last to the end february more or less " it has added - Trzeciakowski.

It has underlined, that prosperous tests it in malaysia in direction of beginning of realization in (to) 2003 step contract enormous < giant > undersigned < sign (subscribe) > in last lats (summers; years) - biggest it type. He (it) forecasts supply for malaysia 64 vehicles military < military >, in (to) 48 tanks it. Remaining < remain > it cars of technical insurances (security) -, engineering tanks and bridges so called concomitant < accompany >. It has to follow (to step) year to the end. Value of contract is valued on ok. 370 Million dollars.

First three vehicles will remain in poland and they will be of service for instruction of (training of) malaysian user. They will be ready in march already. First tanks will fly (will advice) for malaysia on early april furthest. (PAP)
Roughly summarize:
According to PAP (Polish Press Agency) the second prototype of PT-91
successfully passed the terrain trials (about 2100 km) in Malaysia. The
tank came back to Poland (transported by An-124). Next part
(live firing trials once again) of trials will
start in Poland. The batch of 3 tanks would be ready nex month (they
will stay in Poland for some time and will be used for training purposes by
your's soldiers). Next batch will be sent to Malaysia in April.

Thank you our polish friend Michal Gajzler for the info.
qwerty223 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 14th, 2007   #32
New Member
Private
No Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 34
Threads:
Quote:
Originally Posted by renjer View Post
Remember, even if a tender has not been called it does not mean that a requirement does not exist. 4 Bde Mekanis is a testbed (and I would lump 1 Bde Amor together with it). There is no way that it will be the only unit of its type in the army.
Has the 1 bde transformation to armor started already? By planning, we're supposed to have 3 tank regiments, 2 in armoured brigade (1 bde?) and 1 in 4 bde mechanized.
kaybee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 15th, 2007   #33
Senior Member
Colonel
No Avatar
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,467
Threads:
Re:

Deleted

Last edited by weasel1962; October 19th, 2008 at 12:41 AM.
weasel1962 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 19th, 2007   #34
New Member
Private
Zzims's Avatar
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 47
Threads:
Malaysian Defense Planners would buy more Twardy's? Rather see an Al-Khalid moving in a Parade. But a Twardy's is just as nice.One question seeing T-84 and Pt-91 is made from almost the same region, wouldnt it be possible for a T-84 tropical version/ Malaysian version?
Zzims is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 19th, 2007   #35
Defense Professional / Analyst
General
Waylander's Avatar
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein
Posts: 4,940
Threads:
Give it an air condition and your done.
It already has NBC protection and so I don't see them needing much more.

As to Al-Khalid.

Why should Malaysia buy it when they already field PT-91s? This would just add more maintenance problems to their forces.

If you want to enhance AT capability invest more in ATGMs both carried by infantry and on your IFVs/APCs instead of buying additonal tanks.

This doesn't cause as much pressure to your logistic and maintenance network as well as your operational costs.
Waylander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 19th, 2007   #36
New Member
Private
Zzims's Avatar
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 47
Threads:
Yeah that would be a logistic mess, Does Al-Khalid and Twardy share the same Platform? T-72?
Zzims is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 19th, 2007   #37
Defense Enthusiast
Master Sergeant
No Avatar
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 397
Threads:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zzims View Post
Yeah that would be a logistic mess, Does Al-Khalid and Twardy share the same Platform? T-72?
Not really the same, not sure for Al-Khalid, but PT-91M is a "westernize" design of T-72. Use the base concept of T-72, but all the parts being redesign to match "western" standard.
qwerty223 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 19th, 2007   #38
Defense Professional / Analyst
General
Waylander's Avatar
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein
Posts: 4,940
Threads:
The hull is a little bit uparmored and the turret is the same like of the T-72M1 + the polish ERA modules.

They installed also a new FCS, TI, laser warning system and a fire surpression system.

But that is purely for the polish version. So it doesn't is NATO standard which is one of the reasons for us giving them Leo IIA4.

The malayan PT-91M are much more upgraded and received more and better upgrades:

- French FCS + 3rd gen TI (Savan 15)
- electric turret drive (EADS EPS 72-Albatross)
- tracks with rubber pads by Diehl
- hydrostatic automatic drive (ESM 350M)
- new gun (2A46MS)
- independent commanders optic (Vigy 15)
- SOTAS-intercom (Thales)
- RRC 9500 radio (Thales, produced under license in Poland)
- S-100R diesel engine with 1000hp

But the weak basic armor remains. And I have doubts that the ERA modules can solve the whole problem.
Waylander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 19th, 2007   #39
Defense Enthusiast
Corporal
isthvan's Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 103
Threads:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zzims View Post
Yeah that would be a logistic mess, Does Al-Khalid and Twardy share the same Platform? T-72?
IIRC Al-Khalid is based on Chinese type90II tank...
________________
One day, I looked up in the sky.A bird came by and shit into my eye.
I didn't laugh. I didn't cry. I was just happy, that cows can't fly.
isthvan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 19th, 2007   #40
Defense Professional / Analyst
General
eckherl's Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,249
Threads:
[QUOTE=isthvan;92893]IIRC Al-Khalid is based on Chinese type90II tank...[/QUOTE

The Type 90 and Al-Khalid share a upgraded T-72 chassis.
eckherl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 19th, 2007   #41
Defense Professional / Analyst
General
Waylander's Avatar
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein
Posts: 4,940
Threads:
You mean T-90 and not Type 90 don't you?

Type 90 would be the Japanese one which, oh wonder , looks very similar to a Leopard II A4.
Waylander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 19th, 2007   #42
Defense Professional / Analyst
General
eckherl's Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,249
Threads:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Waylander View Post
You mean T-90 and not Type 90 don't you?

Type 90 would be the Japanese one which, oh wonder , looks very similar to a Leopard II A4.
Oh crap - with all the T and different type designations flying around between Russia and China, then japan had further complicate things using the Type designation.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg ZTZ-99_main_battle_tank_China_ArmyRecognition_03.jpg (166.6 KB, 15 views)
File Type: jpg post7211693257395aq.jpg (71.8 KB, 20 views)
File Type: jpg TYPE-96_70306D.jpg (87.5 KB, 20 views)
File Type: jpg alkhalid_rareview.jpg (210.8 KB, 12 views)
File Type: jpg Al_Khalid_Mbt2000.jpg (45.2 KB, 14 views)
eckherl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 19th, 2007   #43
Defense Professional / Analyst
General
Waylander's Avatar
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein
Posts: 4,940
Threads:
Yeah, they should have agreed on different signatures in the past.

Would make our lives much easier.
Waylander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 19th, 2007   #44
New Member
Private
Zzims's Avatar
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 47
Threads:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Waylander View Post
The hull is a little bit uparmored and the turret is the same like of the T-72M1 + the polish ERA modules.

But the weak basic armor remains. And I have doubts that the ERA modules can solve the whole problem.
Arent the Pt's suppose to function in forested area? I doubt any other MBT with this weight class has better armour or much else Advance armour.
Zzims is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 19th, 2007   #45
Defense Enthusiast
Master Sergeant
No Avatar
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 397
Threads:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Waylander View Post
The hull is a little bit uparmored and the turret is the same like of the T-72M1 + the polish ERA modules.

They installed also a new FCS, TI, laser warning system and a fire surpression system.

But that is purely for the polish version. So it doesn't is NATO standard which is one of the reasons for us giving them Leo IIA4.

The malayan PT-91M are much more upgraded and received more and better upgrades:

- French FCS + 3rd gen TI (Savan 15)
- electric turret drive (EADS EPS 72-Albatross)
- tracks with rubber pads by Diehl
- hydrostatic automatic drive (ESM 350M)
- new gun (2A46MS)
- independent commanders optic (Vigy 15)
- SOTAS-intercom (Thales)
- RRC 9500 radio (Thales, produced under license in Poland)
- S-100R diesel engine with 1000hp

But the weak basic armor remains. And I have doubts that the ERA modules can solve the whole problem.
FCS part is quite confusing, some said SAVAN-20.
Not sure about armor too, but in front of modern ammunition, armor give me no confidence
qwerty223 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:58 AM.