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Old November 29th, 2007   #1
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How to write and not get banned ?? Is there a real answer? Forum Rules??

"How to write and not get banned ?? Is there a real answer? Forum Rules
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I have a complaint and don't know what I can write if I am seeing too
many selective speeches deleted but people's thread are banned, banned and banned again and so much more.

My opinion I feel the forum is using selective enforcement over color and authority. I feel I am being treated like Rosa Parks to sit in back of the bus because of color. I am reading all sorts of comments from the wed administrators on all sorts of issues on this forum site versing any other forum site for example, this site is a total bear state in a cage. You have no say in anything and the speech is not free but completely selective. Many threads are closed and based on silly things to close speech, doesn't make sense but also I have read just today that there on some blogs about www.defencetalk that some people have already made some complaints about this site in general on speech issues. I mean complaints on ripoffreport.com, my2cents.com, complaints.com, vox.com, myspace and etc (you can Google your site’s link and read the comments from people). Why are people making complaints about defencetalk and here I am making a similar complaint about your site as well? Also what is wrong with one line replies? I never heard of this in any forum before? Do you see Youtube.com banning people for one line replies or off the topic? Deleting comments or modifying threads? Noop

For example, if I said" I want to the store to buy some milk and cheese"
here you would first lose you thread because it is one line and too, they would maybe modify it saying for example "No you went to the store to buy something". In all does that seem like someone watching you and telling you
what to do or not? That is communist. If you write something in this forum, you have to write it like it is supposed to be said to them (who are they?). Remember the movie 1984 George Orwell, this site is the samething. They make the rules and new rules can change daily without notification, just like that.

This site is a total police state, you are being watched and comments
are so silly what I read from administrators. I mean is Congress on this site monitoring it for home land security if I am a foreigner or anybody? If there
a governor on this site? Is there a panel of judges on this site, a council, the
IRS, FBI, CIA or military police running it? I mean really this site is so controlled it is like telling people no smoking here, drinking 21 and over, put on seatbelt or helmet and etc, no gays or rap music or etc.

I have never been on a forum site seeing controlled speech. I mean it is understandable on spam, marketing, ads and etc but to control it completely as a regulated site. This site has no rights; it is a big bother site. I mean are you pushing laws on here so the public can’t see them? Really there are no internet police except here but more so, there is too much secret regulation here. Is there a code of ethics, penal code, judicial code, judicial council or anything? Is there new laws being passed on here daily is a there a court reporter, Congress reporting that I can read the new rules on regulation here?

Is there a panel of anything or a chain of command here if you have a complaint and or process to take to the next command too? Is there an office location, headquarters or etc? I have no idea what is what on here and the rules really, there are things in the rules that are not written and this site enforces things without particular nature but as completely Marcel law.

Lastly I am not a democrat if I sound like one but I feel I would like to pass this site on the radio for discussion. I have a friend who is a national radio broadcaster who is on daily from 7PM to 10PM 920AM. I would like to discuss this site with you and on the radio.

Now am I going to be banned for stating something here? Is this not the topic? I made the topic but is topic not am important topic? Am I not using a nice tone or am I something else? I have made a snap shot of this thread so I can let my friends know at NBC about this site on Dateline.

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"How to write and not get banned ?? Is there a real answer? Forum Rules
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I have a complaint and don't know what I can write if I am seeing too
many selective speeches deleted but people's thread are banned, banned and banned again and so much more.

My opinion I feel the forum is using selective enforcement over color and authority. I feel I am being treated like Rosa Parks to sit in back of the bus because of color. I am reading all sorts of comments from the wed administrators on all sorts of issues on this forum site versing any other forum site for example, this site is a total bear state in a cage. You have no say in anything and the speech is not free but completely selective. Many threads are closed and based on silly things to close speech, doesn't make sense but also I have read just today that there on some blogs about www.defencetalk that some people have already made some complaints about this site in general on speech issues. I mean complaints on ripoffreport.com, my2cents.com, complaints.com, vox.com, myspace and etc (you can Google your site’s link and read the comments from people). Why are people making complaints about defencetalk and here I am making a similar complaint about your site as well? Also what is wrong with one line replies? I never heard of this in any forum before? Do you see Youtube.com banning people for one line replies or off the topic? Deleting comments or modifying threads? Noop

For example, if I said" I want to the store to buy some milk and cheese"
here you would first lose you thread because it is one line and too, they would maybe modify it saying for example "No you went to the store to buy something". In all does that seem like someone watching you and telling you
what to do or not? That is communist. If you write something in this forum, you have to write it like it is supposed to be said to them (who are they?). Remember the movie 1984 George Orwell, this site is the samething. They make the rules and new rules can change daily without notification, just like that.

This site is a total police state, you are being watched and comments
are so silly what I read from administrators. I mean is Congress on this site monitoring it for home land security if I am a foreigner or anybody? If there
a governor on this site? Is there a panel of judges on this site, a council, the
IRS, FBI, CIA or military police running it? I mean really this site is so controlled it is like telling people no smoking here, drinking 21 and over, put on seatbelt or helmet and etc, no gays or rap music or etc.

I have never been on a forum site seeing controlled speech. I mean it is understandable on spam, marketing, ads and etc but to control it completely as a regulated site. This site has no rights; it is a big bother site. I mean are you pushing laws on here so the public can’t see them? Really there are no internet police except here but more so, there is too much secret regulation here. Is there a code of ethics, penal code, judicial code, judicial council or anything? Is there new laws being passed on here daily is a there a court reporter, Congress reporting that I can read the new rules on regulation here?

Is there panel of anything or a chain of command here if you have a complaint and the process to take to the next command too? Is there office location, headquarters or etc? I have no idea what is what on here and the rules really, there are things in the rules that are not written and this site enforces things without particular nature but as completely Marcel law.

Lastly I am not a democrat if I sound like one but I feel like I would to pass this site on the radio for discussion. I have a friend who is a national radio broadcaster who is on daily from 7PM to 10PM 920AM. I would like to discuss this site with you and on the radio.

Now am I going to be banned for stating something here? Is this not the topic? I made the topic but is topic not am important topic? Am I not using a nice tone or am I something else?

Scott
Interesting that you decided to throw in the comment that you are not a Democrat which really doesn`t matter what political party you are affiliated with, hell I believe in the old Viking political system to a point that when I pass on my wife has it in writing to place my Viking battle flag wrapped carcass into a oversized wood canoe along with a cord of wood, light it on fire and push me out to sea. Please read the rules and you should be just fine.
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Can you admit though that this forum site is regulating every comment in a way that is a total bear state? I am not a terrorist, a fascist, racial profile, nor communists or anything like that nor the people that were already banned and for them to make list of bammed folks too is a little too much or actually an insult (that is like being charged or prosecuted without a verified complaint or affidivid from the District Attorney). People have been banned for really dumb reasons that really doesn't exist no where on other forum sites. They modify your content when they want and how they want, imagine that? That is like you writing to a paper or writing a research paper or a patent and somebody modifies it for you. That is pure communist. I mean there is really no answer other than that.

This site is controlled in a way that makes it a complete bear state, you write what they tell you. I mean there are plenty of miltary sites out there but is this one run by retired commanders threating it like a war zone?

Look at all the comments by the adminstrators, it is so interesting to read their comments to people. I sent this site to NBC yesterday to have to
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Can you admit though that this forum site is regulating every comment in a way that is a total bear state? I am not a terrorist, a fascist, racial profile, nor communists or anything like that nor the people that were already banned and for them to make list of bammed folks too is a little too much or actually an insult (that is like being charged or prosecuted without a verified complaint or affidivid from the District Attorney). People have been banned for really dumb reasons that really doesn't exist no where on other forum sites. They modify your content when they want and how they want, imagine that? That is like you writing to a paper or writing a research paper or a patent and somebody modifies it for you. That is pure communist. I mean there is really no answer other than that.

This site is controlled in a way that makes it a complete bear state, you write what they tell you. I mean there are plenty of miltary sites out there but is this one run by retired commanders threating it like a war zone?

Look at all the comments by the adminstrators, it is so interesting to read their comments to people. I sent this site to NBC yesterday to have to
view this site.
Does California state government read everything that gets published in their newspapers. Gosh - I hope on your account that NBC doesn`t read some of the comments that you have made because if they do then they will have a full understanding why we do not like politics here, it just degrades the topics to a point that everyone gets mad and starts adding flammatory comments that ends up hurting everyones feelings which is not a nice thing to do. I do not understand why you are so angry, maybe you should call your mom and dad and tell them that you love them and that you forgive them for not giving you enough attention when you were younger, try it, you will start to experience a warmth that will last you a lifetime.
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This site is all about freedom You have the absolute right to participate here or not. To participate in the forum Webmaster sets the rules on posting for his site, if you don't like you are free to go elsewhere. I have been posting here for 18 months and not once have had a warning message a edited posted except for a link fix a couple of times. This site is one of the best for defence content around, because it is Defence Only, for politics and other randomness you can go to other sites but this one is specifically for Defence, I go here to I don't have to wade through threads and threads of bull and people writing about milk and cheese. The rules are simple and most people have no problem following them.
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Lets start with rules of the forum:
http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/rules.php

Little bit about the forum:

DefenceTalk provides Internet's leading International Defence Forums to discuss topics related to Global Defence and military developments, military and Defence strategies in open and friendly atmosphere. Ever since DefenceTalk's inception, we've worked hard to maintain quality and provide innovative rules and regulations so that our Defence Board is noted for its maturity, professionalism and emphasis on technical and strategic aspects of the Global Military issues rather than politics and social chitchats.

DefenceTalk Forum is not watercooler talk nor was it established to entertain bored people looking for some fun.

By being strict and enforcing our rules (thanks to the mod team) we aim to maintain QUALITY of discussions which serious posters and readers are interested in. We make every effort to stand out, above the rest of the forums on the internet in professionalism, quality of discussions (for topics discussed here) as well as maturity, which comes only when you have certain rules and regulations. Any member(s) who displays unprofessional conduct, disrespects others and posts irrelevant content will be given warnings and ultimately thrown out because we will not allow nor entertain foolish behavior.

The rules (as strict as they are) are made to protect the majority of users who visit Defencetalk forum. They are designed to KEEP TROLLS OUT and leave the good guys in, providing healthy and friendly atmosphere to do what they are suppose to do: Discuss Defense Topics. Where many forums on the web cherish one liners and every single insult that is posted, we focus on quality of the posts and not quantity.

You are right, DefenceTalk Forum is not youtube nor is it any other forum on the Internet. Why? Because it is a DEFENSE forum and not somewhere you would expect people joking around, making fun of each other, insulting people and providing comments that do not add value or quality to the discussions.

I am glad that you've recognized the level of strictness on these forums and I am sure you will adapt because you do want people to respect you right? You do want to see healthy and informative discussions, correct? Or would you rather have people insulting you because you are aRussian, Indian or Israeli or Pakistani or an American? I am sure you wouldn't want that, I wouldn't.

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If you read the list of their rules, look at the things you say then review the
posts and adminstrator comments. Remember George Orwell 1984, this forum operates the same way. That to me is communist and that is my opinion.

Check the Official WARNING Goes out to... and DT Hall of Shame - Ban List threads in Announcements forum to see warnings/bans and reasons why user was warned and banned
Do not post one-liners or one line replies[/


that sometimes a topic/subject may only require one line reply but for most of the time please put some effort in your replies and content so it adds value to the subject/topic being discussed.Posting just to increase your post count is highly discouraged, you will not get far with number of posts you have but quality of those posts.

Do not start "this vs that" topic threads. We encourage detailed comparison of weapon systems which looks at capabilities of weapon systems being compared but not in form of "weapon A vs. weapon B." What about links? You have delete links, people make referenced
posts and then banned of deleted

Please be detailed and give reasons why such and such weapon system would be better for various conflict scenarios.
Do not use these forums for any commercial purpose - no solicitation of funds, no advertising, and no solicitation for goods or services.
Do not post anything illegal or injurious (including libelous, defamatory, or abusive statements, obscenity, profanity, or pornography).

Sure these things are not needed but defaming character I have seen on this
site and was not monitored or banned either.

Do not post irrelevant topics/replies. The DefenceTalk.com, its moderators, and members of this community reserve the right to delete posts we determine are irrelevant to the discussion in which they're posted. I have seen replies and see irrelevant topics but also on the topic too. You banned the content anyway

Do not disrespect anyone on this board-whether you disagree with them or agree with them. It is suggested that you keep your cool and show restraint when discussing important defence matters.
I have seen many insults and many not receiving a warning where some have gotten warnings. That is selective enforcement

Do not disrespect military personnel of other countries Oh but it ok for adminstrators to talk about other countries?

DefenceTalk.com considers them dedicated professionals who put their lives on the line for their motherland. What does that mean, want about family members or different countries speaking about their lost ones? People maybe on here because they lost a family member or maybe because of a weapon that killed a family or a military plane cash and they are speaking about how something bad happened? There are many people who have different means of being here, doesn't have to be a someone who surved in the military either.

Do not put more than 8 smilies/emoticons in your posts. If you do, your posts will be edited. Really you make smiles but you don't like to look at them? Interesting!

Do not link, in any post, to pages elsewhere on the Web that violate either these rules or their spirit. Oh so how are people suppose are to compare A vs. B remember?

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Do not post racial slurs, racist remarks against other people and countries of the world as we have participants from all over the world and we want to show highest form of respect for them as you would want them to show for your country. But it is ok to post a banned list on people too? Maybe those people had done nothing and you banned them anyway.


Do not use multiple user names to conceal your identity.

It's your Defence Forum too! Let us or your fellow posters know if you feel things are getting off-topic or inappropriate
?Woooo cowboy, not sure on that. If you controll it, modify anything at anytime on anbody then it is yours or everybodies?


Do not start inflammatory threads with purpose of degrading/defaming another country, its leaders or its people.
Do not encourage or support terrorism/terrorist activity on our forums/website. Defencetalk.com condemns all forms of terrorism.

Interesting, your adminstrators called me a Russian tourists, so that isn't
deframing me? Interesting

Although we discuss war and military, it does not mean we promote war and use of military force. We believe in Peace and peaceful resolution to outstanding disputes around the world. So we can talk about certain things and other things not so certain on military or
war discussions but you banned both when discussed?


Do not post religious sermons in your replies. This is a Defence forum and only topics/issues related to Defence are allowed and discussed.
Proper punctuation is a must.

Do not add excessive dots as a replacement for a comma. this....isn't really....fun..to read. also watch the spelling. [Its hrd 2 reed whn peple tipe poorly, its also trashy!
Wooo we're getting really concerned here, 80% are some what misspelled post anyway, any warnings on them? Yet one line sentences correctly spelled sentenses deleted, so what does that say?


This will make posts much nicer, neat and easy to read for fellow participants. This isn't done on most forums, its time you get use to it here. I read misspelled comments all the time here, doesn't hurt the site at all.


Do not post LINK/URL to external FORUMS and message boards.
Do not use forums for "lobby" purposes. Defencetalk is an international website but that does not mean you can abuse its forums by posting false and anti-"country" information in order to degrade members of that country or its position in the world community.
? Here we go again, International forum? Seems defencetalk more pro America from what I have read. I mean everything pro America than and that. Seems the site is US is
military site than international.


You must post source of your information/articles ( link, website, book, magazine, etc.). ? Oh but you don't allow all links
of reference? interesting.


You must have fun and let others do the same.
Fun, what fun? Watch people getting bannedd and deleting post full-time. Someone states a fact, you guys delete it like a non-smoking sign in the building. People don't have a chance to write something in most cases, you
guys take offence to it. Again it might be a culture difference and someone was trying to imply their input and it was deleted for whatever reason, that's not fun when you play the cop and members don't.

Do not post in ALL CAPS letters on the forums. Its considered rude! Explain rude? Banning and posting a named banned list or caption letters only? Maybe call Youtube.com and Wikipedia let them know
that Defencetalk says caption is very rude.

DEFENSE PROFESSIONALS / Military Professionals - IF you are serving in the military, served in the military or work in field that is related to defense/military, please let us know. Russian Red Army and former US Naval, what does that say about me? An international soldier?

We will verify your claim and add you to our Defense Professionals group, identified in blue color username. In addition to the above rules, you are expected to keep this in consideration when interacting with other users on the forum:

4. Monitoring.

We shall have the right, but not the obligation, to monitor the content of the bulletin boards to determine compliance with this Agreement and any other operating rules established by us Ok
Congress, regulate and take action, match forward

We shall have the right in our sole discretion to edit, refuse to post, or remove any material submitted to or posted on the bulletin boards. Without limiting the foregoing, we shall have the right to remove any material that we, in our sole discretionSounds like everything you do anyway may just be removed anyway, so the chances are 50/50 delete
or banned.

find to be in violation of the provisions hereof, otherwise objectionable or stale. Notwithstanding this right, users shall remain solely responsible for the content of their messages. So is this a court now in session, is there an oath for office of professional conduct?

Each user acknowledges and agrees that neither we nor any third party content provider shall assume or have any liability for any action or inaction by us or any third party content provider with respect to any conduct, communication or posting on the bulletin boards.
Seems like the FBI is on here monitoring everything like camera's in London.

Now my point is am I off the topic? I mean really am I doing something to question the rules and what I have witnessed here?

I can show you some postings by your staff that are above (law) the rules than what was said for example.
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I am not quite certain what the issue seems to be with the forum rules. Most members seem to understand (and follow them) with little difficulty. I will try an analogy to see if that makes them any more clear.

If a person is visiting someone at their home/office/club/other private property, the person who is visiting has to follow the rules established by the person who they are visiting, otherwise they can be made to leave. No one is required to allow someone else to curse/threaten/etc them in their own home/office/etc. Putting it simply, the situation is similar here.

As for why some of the forum rules are what they are (like no A vs. B type discussions) many are lead offs into flame wars and/or derogotary language between members. Alternately, it is to prevent posts which have little or no relevance to the topic at hand interfere with the discussion of a thread.

In explanation of this being an "International" defence forum, that is because both the membership and incidentally the Moderating team is comprised of members from around the globe and likewise the topics of discussion span the globe as well. I could be mistaken but I believe the only continent not currently covered by an active thread is Antarctica.

If someone feels that a current post is inappropriate and not in keep with the forum rules, report it to the Moderating team and explain what/why it is not appropriate and the Moderators will review the posts in question. On the other hand, if one does not like the forum rules, the level of moderating or the style of discussion and debates that members engage in here, perhaps this is not the correct forum for some. One hopes though that if someone is having issues with the forum, they either communicate them to the Moderators and Admin, or spend more time reading through the posts of others to get a sense of what Defencetalk is all about.

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DEFENSE PROFESSIONALS / Military Professionals - IF you are serving in the military, served in the military or work in field that is related to defense/military, please let us know. Russian Red Army and former US Naval, what does that say about me? An international soldier?
Are you saying you were in Russian Army and US navy? Please be ready to prove your claim.
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On a slightly upbeat side note, seeing any kind of documentation of there ever being a "Russian Red Army" would definitely be worth it.

Sorry. Couldn't resist. I'm trying to hold back from suggesting "appropriate" forums to him based on his posting level.
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On a slightly upbeat side note, seeing any kind of documentation of there ever being a "Russian Red Army" would definitely be worth it.

Sorry. Couldn't resist. I'm trying to hold back from suggesting "appropriate" forums to him based on his posting level.
Couldn't resist, too -- 'Russian Red Army' is a more or less appropriate designation for the Bolshevik army of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic in 1918-1922 (before the creation of the USSR), which makes Comrade oxforduniversit one spry centenarian.
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Couldn't resist, too -- 'Russian Red Army' is a more or less appropriate designation for the Bolshevik army of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic in 1918-1922
Mmm, only seen that one really referred to as the "Red Army" period.

Unlike the "Ukrainian Red Army", "Crimean Red Army", "Lithuanian-Belorussian Red Army", "Latvian Red Army" and "Red Army of the Caucasus"
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