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Old 1 Week Ago   #5686
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I just posted this in the Canadian air force page but it is as important to us too.

So i found this article this morning. It seems well if this article can believed anyway that our Canadian friends are indeed going after our old Hornet fleet.
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2017...r-hornet-deal/
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Junior's never ending display of stupidity will benefit Australia at least. No need to sell your best classic Hornets, just your junkers, as junior's team of procurement fools no jack$hit and care even less. The RCAF is screwed.
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Sorry to hear the bad news John.
Are the Canadian public not worried about your PM,s pro immigration, and anti defence plans.
Canada is going to have a massive defence bill in the 2020/30,s because of the bad spending now. It might take a very long time to recover.
A bit like the Australian labor govt in the mid 80,s early 90,s, but worse!
(I have a soft spot for Canadian military, as my old unit is closely tied to PPCLI)
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I would say no, most Canadians are not concerned with his anti-defence stance. As for his pro-immigration policies, Canadians, an decreasing demographic in Canada, are slowly beginning to realize the true cost of junior's new Canadians. At the end of the day, former PM Brian Mulroney, summed things up. " Canadians are a bunch of whiners." Junior can always throw out some crumbs to appease these whiners, more free day care, extra child benefits, expanded drug injection sites, etc. Doesn't matter he has no money for this crap.

You are right on with regards to the defence bills piling up for post 2030. The CSC production will be ramping up, bills for new jets will be coming in (assuming Canada will retain a fast jet capability, new MPA are needed, UAVs, and subs. The budgetary flustercuck should at least end junior's reign as PM but then again, the whining electorate can easily be fooled here.

Australia should bump Canada out of the G7. We don't deserve membership.
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Junior's never ending display of stupidity will benefit Australia at least. No need to sell your best classic Hornets, just your junkers, as junior's team of procurement fools no jack$hit and care even less. The RCAF is screwed.
They will be junkers all right.

Only a handful ever had life extension work done on them and I imagine that with the F-35 replacement just around the corner the RAAF are probably treating these things like rented cars.
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It's a bit off topic, but..
I know with the advent of time, Klown klub, Kopp and Goon are just fond memories. As to the hordes of Russian fighters annihilating us poor Aussies in our can't climb, can't fight, death traps. It seems like we might have to wait a few more years, before Russia lays waste.
Russia Is Nearly Halting Stealth Fighter Production for a Decade | War Is Boring
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It's a bit off topic, but..
I know with the advent of time, Klown klub, Kopp and Goon are just fond memories. As to the hordes of Russian fighters annihilating us poor Aussies in our can't climb, can't fight, death traps. It seems like we might have to wait a few more years, before Russia lays waste.
Russia Is Nearly Halting Stealth Fighter Production for a Decade | War Is Boring
But what will our F-111 Missileers have to play with then? And if these Sino-Russian invincible death machines are so lethal, why would we need a fleet of 40 plus B-747 ‘widebody’ air refuellers? I guess the sub- hunter/killer F-111 patrolling it’s ‘killboxes’ might still have a role to play, so obviously we can save a bit of cash on the future sub project, but the large AAR fleet seems dicey to me for some reason...

I mean there is all that talk of the 500 kilometre ranged, hypersonic ‘AWACS killer’ that Russia should have in-service by now and thus wouldn’t such a fleet be entirely negated as a viable force element anyway?

Gosh, there are just SO many questions...

Still, at least our Hawk Mk 127’s have got their long awaited external refulling probe, mostly because they were delivered at the same time the Hawks were...
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But what will our F-111 Missileers have to play with then? And if these Sino-Russian invincible death machines are so lethal, why would we need a fleet of 40 plus B-747 ‘widebody’ air refuellers? I guess the sub- hunter/killer F-111 patrolling it’s ‘killboxes’ might still have a role to play, so obviously we can save a bit of cash on the future sub project, but the large AAR fleet seems dicey to me for some reason...

I mean there is all that talk of the 500 kilometre ranged, hypersonic ‘AWACS killer’ that Russia should have in-service by now and thus wouldn’t such a fleet be entirely negated as a viable force element anyway?

Gosh, there are just SO many questions...

Still, at least our Hawk Mk 127’s have got their long awaited external refulling probe, mostly because they were delivered at the same time the Hawks were...
We do seriously need a like button. Koop and Co have been very quiet, and even their pet pollies appear to have withdrawn from the very strident howling indignation.

There is still the occasional side liner (i.e the LRIP will all be unable to firge as their systems cannot upgraded ....... except for the fact ours have been upgraded). Sadly if there is an incident I am sure the press will line up to yell dud!!
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It's a bit off topic, but..
I know with the advent of time, Klown klub, Kopp and Goon are just fond memories. As to the hordes of Russian fighters annihilating us poor Aussies in our can't climb, can't fight, death traps. It seems like we might have to wait a few more years, before Russia lays waste.
Russia Is Nearly Halting Stealth Fighter Production for a Decade | War Is Boring
The delays might be longer than that since the Indians look like they might jump ship and abandon the project ... and it seems that it is mostly their money keeping it afloat.

India Might Finally Terminate Their Stealth Fighter Program With Russia - The Drive

and if the Indian's abandon a project because they think it is being poorly managed then you know you have a problem.

As far as the Klown posse is concerned they have updated the Ausairpower site since 2014. Maybe they have finally given the game away.
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Where are they now - AusAirPower? - General F-35 Forum

I found this post rather funny. From the F16.net forum
"Where are they now AusAirPower" the comedy extended wordwide.
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It seems I got a mention by klown klub, I'm so proud. Not only did I, I still do

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...VknnCf9tKBa77C
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"In relation to the false and misleading claims made about APA, these are epitomised by the statement:
“Air Power Australia made several errors of fact and misrepresentations about F-35 capability. . . .their analysis is basically flawed through incorrect assumptions and lack of knowledge.”
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Mr (gov. censored) appends this particular statement to the malicious missives he writes on the WWW based forums and the internet he frequents and often.
Prima facie and, at the very least, such behaviours constitute an offence against the Parliamentary Privileges Act of 1987. Not surprisingly, Mr (gov. censored) attempts to misdirect and confabulate, the motives behind and purpose for which are obvious."
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it is now official - 18 Hornets to Canada with the first 2 to go in the first half of 2019.

https://www.minister.defence.gov.au/...hornets-canada
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it is now official - 18 Hornets to Canada with the first 2 to go in the first half of 2019.

https://www.minister.defence.gov.au/...hornets-canada
"The offer follows an expression of interest from the Canadian Government received in September. The sale of the aircraft and associated spares remains subject to final negotiations and Country of Origin export approvals"

And that part right there is the issue I raised last week, so don't count the chickens yet, there is a lot of domestic political pressure in the US on this one, wait and see ?

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"The offer follows an expression of interest from the Canadian Government received in September. The sale of the aircraft and associated spares remains subject to final negotiations and Country of Origin export approvals"

And that part right there is the issue I raised last week, so don't count the chickens yet, there is a lot of domestic political pressure in the US on this one, wait and see ?

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I really don't see this as a problem for the US or Canada. The Classics will only buy some time - and not too much at that. What will become an issue is the Canadian job share in the F-35 program - and rightly so
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I really don't see this as a problem for the US or Canada. The Classics will only buy some time - and not too much at that. What will become an issue is the Canadian job share in the F-35 program - and rightly so
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The Canadian share of the JSF is one of the issues, but don't underestimate other political pressures either. It will more than likely go through, I could not see the RAAF/Aus Gov not seeking "advice" in the first instance, but still hoops to jump through none the less. I have worked on these types of issues and it is not as seamless as some seem to think in the background, regardless of what country you are dealing with in the scheme of things

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