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This is a discussion on Royal Australian Air Force [RAAF] News, Discussions and Updates within the Air Force & Aviation forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by SteveR Actually we are buying the Joint Strike Missile (JSM) which is somewhat different from the NSM. ...


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Old September 14th, 2017   #5611
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Actually we are buying the Joint Strike Missile (JSM) which is somewhat different from the NSM. JSM will have BAE Systems Australia ESM seeker but there has been no such announcement for that on the NSM. I believe the NSM has a French engine whereas the JSM has a US engine.
Nothing has been chosen. The Defence White Paper 2016 - Integrated Investment Program, listed the Air Combat Capability - Maritime Strike Weapons project as not even commencing until 2018... I doubt it has even passed it's first gateway yet...
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Maybe someone should be talking to the navy about the fit, finish and performance of Hobart before canning the people who built and delivered her, dispute the challenges of the then new and unique procurement model. These ships were ordered ten years ago under the Howard Government, started under Rudd, rebase-lined and reorganised under Gillard, then again under Abbott and are being now being delivered under Turnbull (who knows who will be PM when ship three commissions) and somehow the problems of several years ago are the fault of those who work at ASC now.......
Sorry Volk my post wasn't meant to be an attack on the build quality of the AWD just how differently the Government is running the 2 programs, one program an Alliance where the proncipal Ship designer is only a Sub contractor and the other where the Ship Designer will run the show. The Canoe bit is more an off hand remark aimed at the then Defmin.
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Nothing has been chosen. The Defence White Paper 2016 - Integrated Investment Program, listed the Air Combat Capability - Maritime Strike Weapons project as not even commencing until 2018... I doubt it has even passed it's first gateway yet...
Thanks - I stand corrected. However Australia has invested in the integration of JSM on the F35 and Pyne has certainly been seen standing next to a JSM mockup at the last Avalon.
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The JSM is just the NSM repackaged. Same engine, same electronics, some minor differences for packaging and mission.They key elements are the same. NSM also has a rocket booster to launch it from the surface before the jet takes over.

I believe both feature the TRI-40 jet engine.
Janes IDR Dec 14 report on JSM says that the NSM TR!-40 was replaced by a Williams WJ38-7K on the JSM partly because the JSM fuselage had to be narrowed to fit the F35 bombay and partly to attract US interest in selecting it for the F35A and F35C.

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Thanks - I stand corrected. However Australia has invested in the integration of JSM on the F35 and Pyne has certainly been seen standing next to a JSM mockup at the last Avalon.
Yep, it seems a pretty sure thing for the RAAF particularly in relation to the F-35 and perhaps the P-8A, but nothing has been decided yet and there are other options that may come into play, particularly JASSM / LRASM of which we have a relatively large inventory of AGM-158A JASSM missiles and nothing besides the soon to be retired legacy Hornets to carry and launch them from...
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As question about RAAF pilot training and for the F-35 was asked in this thread then bits of info about that are added as per this USAF video with some statistics about what 'sprog' pilots achieve and how.

F-35 Initial Qualification Luke AFB - 56th Fighter Wing 08 Aug 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIu1sfAhulo
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This is an interesting capability, wonder if the RAAF has or intends acquire a similar weapon?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DjUdVxJH6yI
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Is the RAAF going the way of the Predator, or are we going to consider the Heron from Israel, which has some Australian content and could be part manufactured here?
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This is an interesting capability, wonder if the RAAF has or intends acquire a similar weapon?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DjUdVxJH6yI
I expect so. With the emphasis shifting to ‘penetrating’ capability I expect something like this will make it’s way into the RAAF Orbat sooner rather than later along with systems such as MALD-J which I can see being an excellent adjunct to our Growler capability...
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Is the RAAF going the way of the Predator, or are we going to consider the Heron from Israel, which has some Australian content and could be part manufactured here?
Hasnít been decided but we have people in the US learning how to operate and maintain Reaper systems, while we have just retired the Heron capability...

Make of that what you will.

Given who we operate alongside with in Coalition, I think it would be a real WTF? Decision if we were to chose anything other than Predator B / Reaper despite IAIís best lobbying efforts...
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Hasnít been decided but we have people in the US learning how to operate and maintain Reaper systems, while we have just retired the Heron capability...

Make of that what you will.

Given who we operate alongside with in Coalition, I think it would be a real WTF? Decision if we were to chose anything other than Predator B / Reaper despite IAIís best lobbying efforts...
One of the things I find interesting about UAVs is that you actually don't really need that many of them.

The bulk of the training could be done virtually, so there wouldn't be any need to hold onto a large stock of training aircraft. The only requirement would be during live exercises and of roles such as surveillance and actual military operations. In the case of the Heron the RAAF only ever operated two of them so it is hard to imagine that they would ever a huge stock of these aircraft.

With new printable technology and relatively simple airframes it may be more economical to simply develop the ability to mass produce these aircraft as required, rather than hold onto a large stock of UAVs that might never even be taken out of their crates.
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I came across this article this morning.
https://www.defensenews.com/global/2...for-australia/

Its nice to see the after all that has been said about the F35 program it now seems to be ticking along quite nicely. Just getting s#*t done behind the scenes, before we know it we will have some pretty birds at home.
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I came across this article this morning.
https://www.defensenews.com/global/2...for-australia/

Its nice to see the after all that has been said about the F35 program it now seems to be ticking along quite nicely. Just getting s#*t done behind the scenes, before we know it we will have some pretty birds at home.
The only missing piece I think is the JSM order in my mind.

RAAF would be one of the most potent airforces in SEA.
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The only missing piece I think is the JSM order in my mind.

RAAF would be one of the most potent airforces in SEA.
The air-launched anti-ship missile project is separate to this announcement, but I don’t think we will see it soon. JSF needs Block 4 software before it can integrate an ASM such as the Joint Strike Missile.

It will have JSOW Block C1 as an interim anti-ship capability sooner, I would think...

As to your comment, I agree...
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