JAS-39 Vs Mirage 2000-5/-9

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Here is Every thing i could find About the JAS it is Nice indeed Cheap to fly Flys off from Short unpreped Runways requires minimal support on teh ground in many terms This is perfect For PAF i don't see Mirages even Doing the same thing these can or could do!!


///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////Gripen is the world's best light weight multi role combat aircraft in production. It is now fully operational with the Swedish air force with more than 115 (as of Jan 2002) delivered. As of January 2002 more than 25 000 missions have been flown resulting in more than 20 000 flying hours. This document will give a brief overview of the technical and operational aspects of the aircraft and programme so far.

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Latest updates and news

Dec 17: The Czech Republic has decided to lease 14 Gripens of the most modern standard. The contract will be signed in early 2004 and the first ones will start operational service in April 2005.

Sep 30: During the summer separation tests with Mk 82, Mk 83 and GBU-10 bombs were done. Further qualification with a dozen more NATO weapons will be done during the rest of 2003.




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Status of the programme

Swedish air force service

Reconnaissance pod

Air to air missiles

Ground attack weapons

Squadron deliveries

Future Swedish air force versions and upgrades

Possible future upgrades and technology demonstrator

Export

South Africa


Flight test programme


Design features

Runway performance

The internal computer network

The cockpit

The displays


The structure

Backup systems

The escape system

Steerable chute


Two seater versions


Basic data

Armament

Background and history

Alternate configurations


Industrial partners

The meaning of the name

Photos and related subjects


Status of the programme


Swedish air force service


Deliveries of series aircraft to the Swedish air force are in progress. 204 aircraft, including 28 two seaters, are on order.

By June 2002, more than 120 have been delivered. Two squadrons at F 7 are equipped and two at F 10, and they're being introduced at F 21 and F 17.

The Gripens were ordered in three production batches, of 30, 110 and 64 aircraft each, the last two with 14 two-seaters each. In the first two batches the single seaters are designated JAS 39A and the two seaters JAS 39B, in the third batch the single seater is JAS 39C and the two seater JAS 39D.

It can be noted that the 20 last aircraft in batch 2 will be to batch 3 standard, starting with the 107:th production single seater, c/n 39207, which will be delivered by mid-2002. In the long term, Gripens in Swedish service will either be to batch 2 or batch 3 standard.

Batch two is being delivered now, batch three will be delivered in 2003-06. The Swedish air force will repaint all required batch one Gripens to match the colour demarcations of later ones.

All aircraft from the three batches are to be operational by 2007.

One unit, SWAFRAP JAS 39, will be ready for international missions from 2004 onwards when it it will take over after SWAFRAP AJS 37 when the last Viggens are retired, and as like them it will primarily be tasked with photo reconnaissance.

Reconnaissance pod


In September 1998 the Vinten Vicon 70 Series 72c day and night, low and medium altitude reconnaissance pod, which is suitable for high performance aircraft, was chosen for Gripen.

But for budgetary reasons, it wasn't purchased.

Sensor fit would have comprised high resolution optronic daylight and IR sensors, able to work in conjunction with the aircraft's radar. Imagery will to be recorded on video and be available to the pilot during the mission.

First delivery for the Swedish air force was planned for 2002, and this would have allowed for the retirement of AJSF 37 Viggen in 2003.

In 2002 an optronic pod to be developed by Saab Avionics was selected. The fit will be similar to the above mentioned pod, but in addition two of them will be fitted with low altitude SKA 34 film cameras as the optronics fit will be optimized for medium altitudes.


The pod itself will be built by Terma, several of the sensors by Recon/Optical and L-3 Communications will make the digital recorders.


They'll be able to be carried by JAS 39C/D and possibly by JAS 39A/Bs as well.


IOC is set for 2006, when the AJSF 37 Viggens will be retired.


Air to air missiles


Integration of Rb 99 AMRAAM including test firings which started in 1998, is as of mid-2000 soon completed.

Sidewinder was fully integrated at the time Gripen entered squadron service.

Captive RB 98 IRIS-T trials started in 1999.

Ground attack weapons


All ground attack weapons were cleared for use by 1997 or earlier.

All ordered stand off bomblet dispensers BK 90, Mjölner, have been delivered by 1999.

Future ground attack weapons include laser guided bombs, a stand off precision missile and anti-radiation missiles. (These kinds of weapons weren't included in the initial planning as a priority, but the uses Gripen will be put to has changed a bit with the changing world situation, so it's a good thing it's a flexible and adaptable platform.)

Squadron deliveries


The first JAS 39 Gripen squadron was declared fully operational with the wing F 7 in Såtenäs starting on Oct 1:st 1997, the second was in 1998. Both replaced AJS 37 Viggen squadrons.

Såtenäs hosts the new "Gripen centre" with training for all categories of personell.

The next wing to get Gripen was F 10 at Ängelholm with two squadrons, in 1999-2000, where they replaced first J 35J Draken (retired in 1999) and then AJS 37 Viggen. The first two were delivered on Oct 30:th 1999.

As of 2000, it was decided that the future peace time organization of the Swedish air force will have four fighter wings with eight squadrons of Gripen. At first plans were that these squadrons would be larger, to allow for a longer service life of the aircraft, but present plans are that some of the batch one will be declared surplus and become available for the government to sell or lease to another operator.

By the end of 2004, there will be two Gripen squadrons at each of:
F 21, Luleå,
F 4, Östersund,
F 7, Såtenäs and
F 17, Kallinge.

Future Swedish air force versions and upgrades


The JAS 39A/Bs were planned to be upgraded as follows, but as the new, smaller, organization does not need all ordered Gripens, the older ones will not be upgraded.
larger, 150 x 200 mm colour MFDs
enhanced warning and countermeasure systems
reduced radar signature
an imaging IR sensor, IR-OTIS, in a ball in front of the canopy which can be used to search for, track and imagine airborne targets as well as searching for and identifying ground targets, this in conjunction with the helmet mounted sight, it also will function as a FLIR navigation sensor
further developed PS-05/A radar
upgraded computers and databus
new data cartridge
a new IR AAM missile, IRIS-T
helmet mounted display, Guardian by Pilkington/Cumulus (Denel)
enhancements to the RM 12 engine consisting of a new turbine, improved flameholder and new FADEC by Lockheed Martin, General Electric and Volvo Aero Corporation
new navigation and landing system


The JAS 39C/Ds will in addition to this
get further signature management measures
get two new, dedicated Amraam missile stations under the fuselage, closely spaced, staggered, in place of the centreline external tank
get the rear seat position upgraded for mission commander and weapon system operator functions and not just be a pilot station
get stronger landing gear permitting increased take off weight
permit increased G limits with heavy loads
be prepared for, but not all fitted with, aerial refuelling equipment


The last 20 batch 2 aircraft will get the Ericsson Saab Avionics EP-17 Mk3 colour displays, EP-17 Mk4 with a digital mass memory (replacing analog video recorder) and other improvements which will be fitted to batch 3 and export Gripens.

As internationalisation measures, Swedish Gripens (at least some) will
be adapted to foreign ground support equipment
get international ILS and IFF (NATO Mode 4)
be prepared for international map data bases
have onboard oxygen generating equipment
be able to present speed in knot and altitude in feet (as opposed to km/h and m as is standard in the Swedish air force)


Possible future upgrades and technology demonstrator


There are tentative designations for future upgrades, JAS 39E/F would be for an upgrade where an AESA radar is the major new piece of hardware. JAS 39G/H would be a possible future upgrade (after 2020?) where it's still unclear exactly what could be included.


Initial funding for a phased array radar has been approved.

FMV, the Swedish Defence Materials administration and the formal customer on behalf of the air force, will fund the conversion of one of the prototypes into a flying technology demonstrator. It will be ready in 2000-2002 and be used to study new weapons, avionics and propulsion.

Regarding propulsion, a more powerful engine (F414 or EJ200) may be fitted and it will fly with thrust vectoring, which would allow for a future tailless version.

As for radar, Ericsson Microwave Systems is planning on flying demonstrator of its AESA radar, on its own or with partners. It's planned to scan +-60 deg electronically and 60 deg mechanically in azimut, permitting scanning over a 240 deg arc and electronically +-60 deg up and downwards.

The Swedish air force is planning on having precision guided munition capability such as laser guided bombs operational on Gripen by 2003. This is a result of studies regarding what capabilities are required for international peace keeping missions.

Export


The export version, being marketed jointly by BAE Systems and Saab, will not be identical to the Swedish air force version. Exactly how it will be configured of course depends on customers' needs, but it can be assumed it's close to JAS 39C in configuration.

As with all major weapon systems, there does not exist a "dollars per airframe" price tag. It's much more complicated than that, possibly with payment in a basket of currencies, to different schedules and with different offset deals included.

A NATO-compatible prototype has been readied. Apart from making it NATO-compatible in general, with connectors and so on, it has got a retractible aerial refuelling probe, which could be fitted without removing any other system. As missions can last much longer, this version also has an on board oxygen generating system.

In March 1998, Ericsson Saab Avionics was selected as the supplier of the export Gripen integrated countermeasures system, EWS 39, including warning, jamming and expendable countermeasures systems.

In May 1999, Denel Aviation was chosen to supply the NATO compatible stores pylons for all export Gripens.

The Czech Republic
On Dec 17:th 2003 the Czech Republic decided to lease 14 Gripens of the most modern standard. The first ones will start operational service in April 2005.



Hungary


In 2001 Hungary signed a contract for a lease of 14 Gripens. The first The first will be delivered in 2004 with the squadron becoming operational in 2005.


After the lease expires, Hungary wants to buy the 14 Gripens. Also, they are to be upgraded to the most modern NATO/export standard. The first of the upgraded ones will be delivered in 2006.


South Africa


On 1998 Nov 18 the South African government announced its selection of Gripen as the preferred fighter, together with Hawk.

On 1999 Sep 15 South Africa decided to order nine two seat multi-role Gripen fighters and take out an option for nineteen single seat Gripens, which be exercised by 2004.

The two seaters will be delivered in 2006-08 and if the option for the single seaters is exercised, they will be delivered in 2009-11.

On 1999 Dec 03 South Africa signed a contract for 24 Hawks and 28 Gripens. The Hawks will be delivered in 2005-2006, Gripen deliveries will begin in 2007 with nine two seaters and be concluded in 2012 with the last of the nineteen single seaters.

Contract value is 15.7 billion Rand, including VAT and other costs. The contract has sort of an "reverse option", providing for cancellation before 2004.

Flight test programme
As of the beginning of 1996, over 2000 test flights had successfully been completed.

Separation test with all air to ground, anti ship weapons and Sidewinders have been concluded successfully.

During 1996, about 100 test flights were flown. Their part of the flight test programme concentrated on high alpha and beta flight as well as stall and spin recovery. The aim is to push the envelope in order to decide exactly where the limits should be put, so as to not compromise safety while affording combat pilots maximum performance with ease of handling.

Tests up to an alpha of 28 degrees were concluded with the standard flight control software release which has a preliminary alpha limit of 20 degrees, above which it returns the aircraft to 20 degrees or less.

The second phase with flights up to 55 degrees alpha were conducted with a software release without any alpha limit. The third phase went beyond that, to 110 degrees alpha, while retaining controllability.

It's expected that the final alpha limit will be in the region of 50 degrees.

The Manoeuver Load Limiter will let the pilots give full stick and rudder commands at all times, but by taking into account the present weight, what kinds of external loads are carried, speed, altitude and other data in order to obtain maximum performance enabling the pilots to concentrate on the tactical situation.

Design features


Gripen is designed for the high demands put on flying performance, flexibility, effectiveness, survivability and availability the future air combat environment will put. The designation JAS stands for Jakt (Fighter), Attack (Attack) and Spaning (Reconnaissance) and means every Gripen can fullfill all three mission types.

Flying properties and performance are optimised for fighter missions with high demands on speed, acceleration and turning performance. The combination of delta wing and canards gives the JAS 39 Gripen very good take off and landing performance and superb flying characteristics. The totally integrated avionics makes it a "programmable" aircraft. With the built in flexibility and development potential the whole JAS 39 Gripen system will retain and enhance its effectiveness and potential well into the 21:st century.

Gripen affords far more flexibility than earlier generations of combat aircraft, and it's operating costs will only be about two thirds of those for Viggen, in spite of it being able to in all areas perform at least as well or slightly better, and in some cases much better. This while not being an expensive aircraft to purchase either.


Runway performance


The specification for this aircraft says that must be able to operate from 800 m runways, so actual take off and landing distance is significantly less, and since early on in the programme, all flights from Saab's facility in Linköping are flown from within a 9 m x 800 m outline painted on the runway.


Stopping distance is reduced by extending the relatively large airbrakes; using the control surfaces to push the aircraft down enabling the brakes to be used harder; tilting the canards forwards, making them into large airbrakes and also pushing the nose gear - which also has brakes - down.
So even without thrust reversing, which would have made the aircraft heavier and less affordable, the stopping distance does not exceed that of Viggen.

The internal computer network


Gripen uses Ericsson processors programmed in Pascal-D80 and Ada and has five duplicated databuses, assigned to different tasks, all with several levels of backup operating modes. [More information]


The cockpit and canopy


The main instruments are three MFDs and the wide angle HUD. Control is by a short centrally mounted stick and a side mounted system hand controller/throttle. [More information]


Backup systems


Should the main generator fail, there's an APU which is also used to provide power on the ground, and batteries. [More information and details]


The escape system


Gripen is fitted with Martin-Baker 10LS seats which permits safe ejections at speeds up to 1150 km/h at sea level, at zero altitude and speed and down to 100 m altitude inverted flight. [More information and details]


Two seater


To begin with, the two-seat variant was said to be considered unnecessary, as simulators are very good today.

But two seater aircraft aren't useful just for teaching pilots to fly the aircraft. In Swedish use, it will not be much used for conversion training, as Gripen is considered easy to fly, but mostly for tactical training and have a significant tactical role. It will be fully combat capable, apart from having no gun and less fuel.

Basic data


Gripen is a lightweight fighter, with an empty weight of about six tons, a normal take off weight of less than nine tons and a max take off weight of in the current version less than 13 tons. It's a bit over 14 m long.


It's supersonic at all altitudes. [More information and details]


Armament


Gripen is able to carry a very wide range of armaments on its eight hardpoints. [More information]


Background and history


In 1982 decided to build a small, true multi-role aircraft, made possible by advances in several fields.

The first prototype flew 9:th Dec 1988.

[More details on what led to the decision to develop a lightweight multirole fighter]


Alternate configurations


Several layouts were studied, in the end an unstable canard layout was adopted, as it would give the greatest benefits to performance, as it gives a high onset of pitch rate and low drag enabling the aircraft to be faster, have longer range and carry a larger useful payload. [More information and illustrations]

Partners


Gripen is made by the consortium IG JAS, which consists of Saab Military Aircraft, BAE Systems, Saab-BAe Gripen AB, Ericsson Saab Avionics, Ericsson Microwave Systems, Celsius Aerotech and Volvo Aero Corporation.


It is adapted for, marketed and supported on the international marked of the joint company Saab-BAe Gripen AB.


Apart from the above companies, the international content of Gripen is high, with 60% coming from NATO countries and 70% from EU nations, so close to 30% of the content is from USA. [More information and details]


The name


"Gripen" means "the Griffin" in English, which is a mythical and heraldic animal with the head of an eagle and the body of a lion. See the Merriam-Webster and Encyclopædia Britannica for definitions and Google image search if you want to see how it looks.



Related subjects

Gripen photos by Saab
Gripen photos, showing the newest scheme
The new air combat suit
Gun non-comparison table
Missile non-comparison table
Jet engines used by the Swedish air force
Fighter non-comparison table
ODEN, helmet mounted sight
At other sites
Aerodynamic highlights of a fourth generation delta canard fighter aircraft - Ingress in Swedish, but main part is a very interesting article in English about Gripen

Gripen cockpit in QTVR format
The manufacturer's Gripen site.
A Polish Gripen photo gallery

Martin Baker Mk 10L Lightweight Ejection Seat
General Electric: F404
About Volvo Aero and RM 12

JAS 39 Gripen in detail - a modellers' site with detailed photos


Main sources of information have been: Various issues of the Swedish air force magazine FlygvapenNytt, other magazines, information material from the Swedish air force, BAE Systems and Saab.


Searching usenet news and the web for Gripen information

http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/gripen/
 

adsH

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i COuld Sadly only find the Older Version Comparison betwean the JAS-39A varient and the Mirage 2000-5 MK.2 on this Website, its safe to Assume the Export Version of the JAS-39 E variant would be able to Reach a higher altituude and would have more thrust.
this web site has a brief comparison between the two
http://www.airtoaircombat.com/compare.asp
 

umair

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If we take into account the trend of forces becoming network centric, the JAS-39 in such a scenario would(rather is) better placed than the M2K9.
It's datalinking and standoff engagement capabilities(both air-air and air-ground) are better than those of the M2K9.
It's a real pilots aircraft capable of tremnendous teamwork with fellow Grippens.
Seeing that Pakistan's going for an improved ERIEY vesion I'd back the Grippen as the curent acquisition, followed by Typhoons(see my post in PAF's aircraft selection forum).These three aircraft will make a hell of a net centric airdefence team.
 

P.A.F

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I to prefer the JAS-39 to the mirage as it is just a excellant aircraft and plus it is cheaper. the JAS-39 and the eurofighters will be a deadly combination alongside the ERIYES
 

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P.A.F said:
I to prefer the JAS-39 to the mirage as it is just a excellant aircraft and plus it is cheaper. the JAS-39 and the eurofighters will be a deadly combination alongside the ERIYES
the swedes are not B***** they promise to provide a steady suply of spares and they even want to work with the Buying nation to develop the gripens in there own nation ie HIghtech tech transfer. they sign contracts with the customer nation for laong term supplies for these jets , ie Erricson, Volvo and the GE which have to sign the contract under there commitments to SAAB.
 

Red aRRow

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I would definitely prefer the Mirage 2000 series over the Gripen.

The plane has been in operational use for a longer time and has even been tested in combat (Greece vs. Turkey) scenario.
The weapons of the Mirage are definitely better than the Gripen. The Mirage carries the Mica, Magic, Storm Shadow, Exocet, Black Shaheen missiles which are definitely superior to the armament of the Gripen.
The Mirage has one extra hard point compared with the Gripen's eight.

The Mirage has a better engine producing 98kN of thurst compared with the Gripen's 80 kN producing Volvo engine.

Both the planes have easy to use cockpits composed of multiple MFDs etc.
Gripen has better Datalink capabilities than the Mirage and thus beats it in that area.

About the Gripen's Ericsson PS- 05/A radar...i don't know what it's range is and how many targets it can detect... Can anybody please find this out?? However there were news that a Russian spy had managed to steal the source code for the radar..which does not seem to be a good thing.
The Mirage's RDY is a proven radar which can track 24 targets and scan the eight threatening ones.
Moreover the Mirage's Damocles laser designation pod is a state of the art laser designation pod... I don't know about the Gripen's

But maybe when the Gripen gets the NORA (Not Only a Radar) then probably things would be in its favour.

So in conclusion I would prefer the Mirage since it is a tested and tried plane. However we have to wait and see the Gripen's true potential.


Give the Gripen a couple of years to mature and it would definitely beat the Mirage.
 

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shamayel said:
I would definitely prefer the Mirage 2000 series over the Gripen.

The plane has been in operational use for a longer time and has even been tested in combat (Greece vs. Turkey) scenario.
The weapons of the Mirage are definitely better than the Gripen. The Mirage carries the Mica, Magic, Storm Shadow, Exocet, Black Shaheen missiles which are definitely superior to the armament of the Gripen.
The Mirage has one extra hard point compared with the Gripen's eight.

The Mirage has a better engine producing 98kN of thurst compared with the Gripen's 80 kN producing Volvo engine.

Both the planes have easy to use cockpits composed of multiple MFDs etc.
Gripen has better Datalink capabilities than the Mirage and thus beats it in that area.

About the Gripen's Ericsson PS- 05/A radar...i don't know what it's range is and how many targets it can detect... Can anybody please find this out?? However there were news that a Russian spy had managed to steal the source code for the radar..which does not seem to be a good thing.
The Mirage's RDY is a proven radar which can track 24 targets and scan the eight threatening ones.
Moreover the Mirage's Damocles laser designation pod is a state of the art laser designation pod... I don't know about the Gripen's

But maybe when the Gripen gets the NORA (Not Only a Radar) then probably things would be in its favour.

So in conclusion I would prefer the Mirage since it is a tested and tried plane. However we have to wait and see the Gripen's true potential.


Give the Gripen a couple of years to mature and it would definitely beat the Mirage.
I reckon the AESA Pahsed Array Erricson radar on the newer JAS-39E/F version is alot better then most of its competitors. its completely on the PAF JAS is not a Off the shelf AC it is customized to the needs of its customers!!, the thing i like about gripens is that its a alot lighter and requires less runway!! its cheaper to maintain and over all cost are cheaper.the mirage 2005 is more Complex in built !! its not only the radar that makes the AC better then others its intigration with all other Hihgtech sensors and the INterface how usefully is the Data presented to the Pilot/operater/missioncomander. teh Cockpit layout is alot more simpler and there is a nice Buble Canopy which provides an increased Stituation awareness for the Pilot.
teh Gripen would be alot more Maneuverable and more Agile it is lighter and the New Engine should come out soon wich features more Power then the Older "A" variants. teh Computer systems Just got recently Upgraded.
 

mysterious

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Gripen's radar, the Ericsson PS-05/A can track eight targets at once and can prioritise them. It has a range of around 130 Km to 150 Km (dont remember the exact range 'cuz I read about it a long time back). :smokingc:
 

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mysterious said:
Gripen's radar, the Ericsson PS-05/A can track eight targets at once and can prioritise them. It has a range of around 130 Km to 150 Km (dont remember the exact range 'cuz I read about it a long time back). :smokingc:
aperently its part Phased so its verticle scan i think is part elctronic and part manula to extend the Range to up i think 280 degree and i think its +-60 deg that is its truecerticle electronic scan.
 
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