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Old May 16th, 2016   #151
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Here is a quote from 'former RAAF chief Air Marshal Geoffrey Brown':
as I said prev - we will stay within the "2 version dancestep" with the USN - NOT the USAF
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as I said prev - we will stay within the "2 version dancestep" with the USN - NOT the USAF
One wonders if F/A(XX) will arrive/produce a suitable platform in time for the fourth "batch" of airframes in AIR6000... My gut (perhaps unfortunately) says no...

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Attached is a link from the Ottawa Citizen suggesting that time is running out for a Canadian purchase of the Superhornet as Boeing will likely close the line in 2018 if no new orders are received by then. The article brings up the possible SH sale to Kuwait. I thought the the recent Kuwait order for Typhoons ended the need for a SH buy? Even if Kuwait placed an order this year it wouldn't keep the line open long enough for a Canadian purchase as this won't happen until junior's second mandate (post 2020 at the earliest).

Is time running out on a Canadian order of Boeing Super Hornets? | Ottawa Citizen
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While Kuwait did choose the Typhoon they have also stated even after the selection that they would still like to get the SH and if memory serves in about the same numbers.

If Canada want's in on the SH then they either have to speed up there acquisition process or may have to source them from India if the Indian's choose it (meant to be local production).

That all said with the air frame aimed at being retired in the 2030's across all current user's might be pointless for Canada to buy new build ones now, had it been done when Australia purchased her's then it would be a different kettle of fish.
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While Kuwait did choose the Typhoon they have also stated even after the selection that they would still like to get the SH and if memory serves in about the same numbers.

If Canada want's in on the SH then they either have to speed up there acquisition process or may have to source them from India if the Indian's choose it (meant to be local production).

That all said with the air frame aimed at being retired in the 2030's across all current user's might be pointless for Canada to buy new build ones now, had it been done when Australia purchased her's then it would be a different kettle of fish.
I wonder if Boeing wants the frustration of dealing with Indian procurement? It sure hasn't been a happy experience for Dassault! Canada and India being involved in a defence procurement, that would be the epitome of fluster cuck. Hopefully the SH gracefully flies off to retirement and we get on with with the F-35.
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While Kuwait did choose the Typhoon they have also stated even after the selection that they would still like to get the SH and if memory serves in about the same numbers.
Split fleets are incredibly common, Euro options are increasingly become more popular in the Middle East. In some areas, there is a strong belief that the GCC are pushing towards a Middle East version of NATO with Saudi Arabia at the head.
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USN future air wing

Vice Admiral Shoemake has had several talks and discussions about the make up of the carrier Air Wing of the future.
Basically it will be a combined wing of F35s, F18s, Growlers, Hawkeyes, and UCAVs.
The F35s lead the charge with EA and sensing. All info fused via NIFCA The F35s lead, F18s used a "bomb trucks" to provide additional capacity, all run via the new E2-D Advanced Hawkeyes. NIFCA will also fuse surface assets into the battle space sharing everything from Sensor to targeting information.


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They're are other direct links to his lectures but this one was the easiest
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Future - not near future though. Conformal arrays etc are still yet to go gold
I guess that is the real question. Its highly likely that EW for the F-35 will be somewhat delayed, given they have focused on getting the growler upgrades done. I guess the question is how long. At which point the Growlers continue as the gap filler. Australia certainly doesn't have to worry about gaps.

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Well the initial plan was it to have it earlier. So they might have been waiting for the F-35 delivery. With both of those choosing F-15's (and F-16) it puts them on a different plan.

In a round about way the Superhornets worked out pretty well for Australia.
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Well the initial plan was it to have it earlier. So they might have been waiting for the F-35 delivery. With both of those choosing F-15's (and F-16) it puts them on a different plan.

In a round about way the Superhornets worked out pretty well for Australia.
the israelis do intend to field their own ewarfare version of JSF, I imagine that they and the US services will walk close to each other as it evolves
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Boeing's challenge isn't likely going to be successful and even if it is it, by the time the next RFQ happens there will be even more good news about the F-35. If the Danish military's choice gets derailed then they might go with Saab to spite Boeing.

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With recent orders from Kuwait and Qater, the SH production run will continue for sometime yet. Canada's unfortunate pending order for 18 will extend it even longer and the USN will likely buy more as well. Also the USN has renewed interest in a possible engine upgrade.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...e-upgr-434227/
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Now there is the Windows XT - oops meant 'ShornetXT' - as per this story today:

Trump Eyes ‘Big Order’ of New F/A-18XT Super Hornets 17 Feb 2017

https://www.dodbuzz.com/2017/02/17/t...super-hornets/
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Another story just for the shear heck of it - what next for the TRUMPet Meister?

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/...r-hornet-order

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Now there is the Windows XT - oops meant 'ShornetXT' - as per this story today:

Trump Eyes ‘Big Order’ of New F/A-18XT Super Hornets 17 Feb 2017

https://www.dodbuzz.com/2017/02/17/t...super-hornets/
I wouldn't read to much into it. He was playing to a Boeing audience, unless it's a stopgap to get the USN through to the F35 IOC
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I wouldn't read to much into it. He was playing to a Boeing audience, unless it's a stopgap to get the USN through to the F35 IOC
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From the article, "The remarks also came a day after Robert Harward, a retired vice admiral and former Navy SEAL who went on to become an executive at Lockheed, declined an offer to succeed Michael Flynn as national security adviser".

Surely Donald can't be this petty?😂
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From the article, "The remarks also came a day after Robert Harward, a retired vice admiral and former Navy SEAL who went on to become an executive at Lockheed, declined an offer to succeed Michael Flynn as national security adviser".

Surely Donald can't be this petty?😂
I'm with Ranger on this - domestic colour and movement IMO
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