F-16's done, What should PAF's next acquisition be?

[srirangan]

The other thread was already discussing this topic, but then that thread should've ended after the F-16 announcements were made. Anyway statements indicate that Pakistan is still interested in acquiring an air-superiority/next-gen fighter after the F-16 acquisition.

So for the benefit of those who don't want to scroll the 164 pages in the other PAF thread, here it is the new PAF acquisition thread.

Which air superiority fighter do you think Pakistan should/would/must/better acquire in the next 5-10 years?

The options available are as follows:
- Rafale
- Eurofighter
- F15E
- JSF
- Russian?

Feel free to add on to this list. Please participate here not on the other thread ;-)
1640+ replies there are enough!

 

[kashifshahzad]

Sri you must also post specifications of these aircrafts.I personally do not like any of them i dont know why you are a seniour member sending the specifications will help people plz send them quicklt then i might poll

 

[srirangan]

Sri you must also post specifications of these aircrafts.I personally do not like any of them i dont know why you are a seniour member sending the specifications will help people plz send them quicklt then i might poll

Alright, I added some links. If you have a choice other than the one's above, list them.

 

[kashifshahzad]

Alright, I added some links. If you have a choice other than the one's above, list them.

I cannot see any link above cant you paste them in the post above this will be better i think the grippens mirages and some chinese aircrafts must be in the list the best will be this that you should make some different categories like
US planes
e.g 1.F-15
2. F-14
3. F-22
etc
Dassault avaiation
1. Mirage (xxx) i dont know all of the names
Chines aircrafts
J-10
.......
Swedish
Grippens for examples

i think this will be perfect if this can be done and every one will have the chance to chose every countries aircraft

Dont you think it will be best you can also list all aircrafts not really the all they will be many most reliable and inexpensive .....

This is my sujjestion to my senior mate so good luck we are ready to post in this thread continue

I really forget the russians they can be included specially the SU i like it

 

[rafale_2k5]

I believe gripen shouldve been included alongwith J-10 since PAF is basically a defensive force F-15s n likes do not fall in the same lague , i guess paf should be qute satisfied with blk52+, to fill in the role of strikers whereas gripen could be an excellent pont deence system integrated with erieye it could be a formidable interceptor , however rafale is again too pricey n probably oer kill by PAF standards i dont know if theyve got enough resorces to clinch a deal. Plus any day rafale would only be sought if the F-3 version comes out sooner than anticipated. having said all this cant neglect the J-10 since Air chief has also hinted at J-10 a number of occasions so u never know the next 4th gen platform is j-10.But all this would be possible not in the near time frame but post 2010 n the ground realities may have changed by them , one never knows itmay even be after indian MRCA issue is solved n contracted. PAF may like to wait till then to reassess its options!!!!!

 

[kashifshahzad]

I believe gripen shouldve been included alongwith J-10 since PAF is basically a defensive force F-15s n likes do not fall in the same lague , i guess paf should be qute satisfied with blk52+, to fill in the role of strikers whereas gripen could be an excellent pont deence system integrated with erieye it could be a formidable interceptor , however rafale is again too pricey n probably oer kill by PAF standards i dont know if theyve got enough resorces to clinch a deal. Plus any day rafale would only be sought if the F-3 version comes out sooner than anticipated. having said all this cant neglect the J-10 since Air chief has also hinted at J-10 a number of occasions so u never know the next 4th gen platform is j-10.But all this would be possible not in the near time frame but post 2010 n the ground realities may have changed by them , one never knows itmay even be after indian MRCA issue is solved n contracted. PAF may like to wait till then to reassess its options!!!!!

Partially agreed
Pakistan must also have attack aircrafts who says to stop the enemy not to attack we must have the attackers bombers and interceptors simply J-10 is not the answer China have other planes also

 

[srirangan]

I cannot see any link above cant you paste them in the post above this will be better i think the grippens mirages and some chinese aircrafts must be in the list the best will be this that you should make some different categories like
US planes
e.g 1.F-15
2. F-14
3. F-22
etc
Dassault avaiation
1. Mirage (xxx) i dont know all of the names
Chines aircrafts
J-10
.......
Swedish
Grippens for examples

i think this will be perfect if this can be done and every one will have the chance to chose every countries aircraft

Dont you think it will be best you can also list all aircrafts not really the all they will be many most reliable and inexpensive .....

This is my sujjestion to my senior mate so good luck we are ready to post in this thread continue

I really forget the russians they can be included specially the SU i like it

I won't list Grippens, J10's or the Mirages. They are not air-superiority fighters and their roles are already being fulfilled by the F16's. The only reason Pak will need to induct these planes is if they don't get a sufficient number of F-16's, and nothing indicates this is the case.

 

[kashifshahzad]

I won't list Grippens, J10's or the Mirages. They are not air-superiority fighters and their roles are already being fulfilled by the F16's. The only reason Pak will need to induct these planes is if they don't get a sufficient number of F-16's, and nothing indicates this is the case.

Yaar can you plz tell me the differnece between the air superiority fighters and the other planes which i mentioned dont they carry the same missiles bombs etc

 

[Musashi_kenshin]

I'd say Eurofighter, because it will boost UK production and help safeguard more jobs

Seriously though, I don't think the Raf is that good and the JSF isn't ready yet.

 

[srirangan]

Yaar can you plz tell me the differnece between the air superiority fighters and the other planes which i mentioned dont they carry the same missiles bombs etc

It has got more to do with roles the planes serve for the Air Force than the planes itself.

The F-16's for you are a multi role fighter, they are gonna be used for air combats and ground attacks, perhaps for escort and protection too. These fighters are like jack of all trade. Can do each job, but isn't specialized.

Air Superiority fighters have a specific role in war and that is to dominate the skies, eliminate enemy fighters and gain complete control of the airspace so that the bombers fly freely on their missions and help the ground forces. These are always highly specialized for their job of air to air combat, just as bombers specialize in bombing. Now the Su 30 MKI is an excellent bomber too, but its role in the IAF is that of being an air superiority fighter.

 

[kashifshahzad]

I think i must take a step and post a new thread including all the important aircrafts this will help members to chose one of their own choice aircraft members must be given a chance to chose aircrafts for thier county which they like the most i know i know whether Pakistan will buy or not but expression of ideas and thoughts is not bad at all

 

[srirangan]

I think i must take a step and post a new thread including all the important aircrafts this will help members to chose one of their own choice aircraft members must be given a chance to chose aircrafts for thier county which they like the most i know i know whether Pakistan will buy or not but expression of ideas and thoughts is not bad at all

Why don't you post the spec's in here?

 

[kashifshahzad]

It has got more to do with roles the planes serve for the Air Force than the planes itself.

The F-16's for you are a multi role fighter, they are gonna be used for air combats and ground attacks, perhaps for escort and protection too. These fighters are like jack of all trade. Can do each job, but isn't specialized.

Air Superiority fighters have a specific role in war and that is to dominate the skies, eliminate enemy fighters and gain complete control of the airspace so that the bombers fly freely on their missions and help the ground forces. These are always highly specialized for their job of air to air combat, just as bombers specialize in bombing. Now the Su 30 MKI is an excellent bomber too, but its role in the IAF is that of being an air superiority fighter.

What if the same plane is is doing all kinds of jobs for you like eliminating the hostiles form the skies and doing some bombing and eliminating the groung targets by using air to ground missile and doing eliminating the ships too
You can understand form this example best that 100 F-16's are possesed by Pakistan if 50 of them are given the AAM's 30 of them are given the bombs and air to ground missiles and small amount of AAM's for air defence too and other are given tasks on the seas the 50 F-16's first which I mensioned are supported by JF-17 at the back and by the F-7PG's and those which are specialised for the land units are supported by the mirages and the sea units are supported by the ships and anti ship missiles form the ground
Ithink this will be cost effective tooo and it will help engineers too it will be easy to overhall all the planes and then specify them for different tasks or having the F-15s for this special task firstly have to test this plane then to take control and then to build overhalling capability and then and then...............

Have something cool which can do all kinds of jobs we dont have enough money to have specialized planes for special jobs

 

[kashifshahzad]

Why don't you post the spec's in here?

Then please include al the planes which are named now and then that they are good this will be a good option for the members yaar plz be open herated

 

[kashifshahzad]

Yaar chineese also have Sukoi then why cant Pakistan have an option to have them form China because they are also manufacturing SU

I must have posted the details but my mouse is not working i cant copy and paste all that stuff right when i will get the chance then i will post then any other time

 

[srirangan]

Yaar chineese also have Sukoi then why cant Pakistan have an option to have them form China because they are also manufacturing SU

I must have posted the details but my mouse is not working i cant copy and paste all that stuff right when i will get the chance then i will post then any other time

Obviously the Russians won't let Chinese sell it.

 

[kashifshahzad]

Obviously the Russians won't let Chinese sell it.

But i think you are forgetting one thing we both China and Pakistan can copy Sukoi no one can stop for this because i think these both are doing the same for many years all is to copy the engines i think China is near to make its engine i think so then planes and planes every kind of

 

[kashifshahzad]

Here in Pakistan COPY RIGHT means YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO COPY FOR ANY WHERE AND ANY THING FOR ANY PURPOSE.

I know any one cannot make exect copy or cannot fit the sapres in its own plane but can make an inspired copy of that by seeing that first plane

I think you will agree from this

 

[srirangan]

But i think you are forgetting one thing we both China and Pakistan can copy Sukoi no one can stop for this because i think these both are doing the same for many years all is to copy the engines i think China is near to make its engine i think so then planes and planes every kind of

Yea, well hypothetically speaking UFO's can come and transfer all their technology to the Chinese too. Lol!

 

[kashifshahzad]

Yea, well hypothetically speaking UFO's can come and transfer all their technology to the Chinese too. Lol!

Yeah you are right!!