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Old September 5th, 2016   #16
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Apparently there is a new Chinese engine maker now and although it appears to be a commercial venture, the challenges it faces as per this article would probably equally apply to the Chinese military engine makers.
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There were rumours floating around a few years ago that the Chinese were going to acquire some Tu22M3 Backfires from Russia by restarting the manufacturing line. They turned out to be just that, rumour.
Honestly there would be no need. There are buckets of surplus Backfires sitting in rot-lots. With major overhaul and upgrades, like the one the VVS is doing on their right now, they could return scrap-yard airframes to service if anything. I'm not sure why it didn't work out.

Anyways, the Chinese are now working on their own strategic bomber.
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On the An-225 subject, with all the uproar, Antonov responded by explaining that the agreement they have with China is on studying the potential for finishing the second airframe. In other words China is getting access to all the documentation without even being contractually bound to pay for finishing the second plane.

Ответ президента ГП «Антонов» А. Коцюбы по поводу сотрудничества с китайскими партнерами по Ан-225 - bmpd
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A lot of buzz around the internet about the appearance of a new "VLRAAM" being tested by the PLA-AF recently:

China is testing a new long-range, air-to-air missile that could thwart U.S. plans for air warfare | Military | Tech | Australian Popular Science

Unfortunately I haven't seen any particularly credible sources take this on but it's interesting regardless. Seems like the Chinese have taken the KS172 concept and run with it. Current claims cite a Mach 6 top speed, with multimodal (AESA/EO) guidance. Perhaps aimed at US ISR/tanker assets?
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A lot of buzz around the internet about the appearance of a new "VLRAAM" being tested by the PLA-AF recently:

China is testing a new long-range, air-to-air missile that could thwart U.S. plans for air warfare | Military | Tech | Australian Popular Science

Unfortunately I haven't seen any particularly credible sources take this on but it's interesting regardless. Seems like the Chinese have taken the KS172 concept and run with it. Current claims cite a Mach 6 top speed, with multimodal (AESA/EO) guidance. Perhaps aimed at US ISR/tanker assets?
War is Boring have an article on it: New Chinese Air-to-Air Missile Could Hit U.S. Jets Before They Can Shoot Back.
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Yeah, although as soon as I see David Axe's name attached to anything I have developed a natural tendency to run from the room screaming haha

Certainly interesting though. Perhaps a necessary step to give their sizeable 4th gen fleet more relevance over the coming decades. If used more as arsenal planes I suppose you could have them lobbing these weapons from the rear with other sensors (eg. LO J20/31) providing the targeting data. Perhaps a tough ask against F35 and F22 but potentially quite dangerous for any non-VLO platforms in the US/allied arsenal.
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The PLA-AF have received the first four of their 24 Su-35s from Russia. According to the article this will be the last Chinese acquisition of foreign combat aircraft.
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The PLA-AF have received the first four of their 24 Su-35s from Russia. According to the article this will be the last Chinese acquisition of foreign combat aircraft.
With their J-20 and J-31 programs nearing full production, the end of foreign acquisitions seems logical. Also, the only possible jet that they might be interested in is the PAK 50 TA and Russia wouldn't be keen on exporting their most modern tech anytime soon. They took their time the Su-35 export to China. It will be interesting to see how their fighter engine technology progresses. This could be one area where Russia might still receive export orders from China.
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This link announces that the J-20 will have domestically produced engines in future. The article implies China still has a way to go towards matching Russian technology, let alone Western technology.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...engine-435075/
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mixed bag article on J-20 and other devs

China stealth jet enters service, navy building 'first class' fleet | defenceWeb
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WS15 engine performance will likely dictate how effective this jet will be kinematically. Claims that this engine will match the F119 seem pretty ambitious given that Russia hasn't done this yet and they have much more expertise than China in this area. As for stealth, Koop and company say it has some...for what it's worth.😁
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As for stealth, Koop and company say it has some...for what it's worth.😁
Hey I'm certainly no expert but I can't help but look at those canards up front and seriously wonder what that does to the important RCS from the frontal approaches?
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As for stealth, Koop and company say it has some...for what it's worth.😁
well, that shows how useless stealth/LO/VLO is - after all they've mocked and derided the issue of stealth in the past

looks like the chinese, russians, japanese still haven't learned how useless stealth is

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well, that shows how useless stealth/LO/VLO is - after all they've mocked and derided the issue of stealth in the past

looks like the chinese, russians, japanese still haven't learned how useless stealth is

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