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Old October 11th, 2017   #106
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I think Argentina should move on the same direction as Brazil and select Gripen (12 of them would be enough for their economic capacity) which is the cheapest from the modern multi-role aircrafts. I don't know however whether UK could block such a deal
The UK can't block Gripens from being sold by either Sweden or Brazil. It can, however, refuse to allow them to have UK-made parts, which make up a large proportion of the Gripen (about 30%), including the radar of the JAS39E.

Finding substitutes would therefore require massive re-engineering, so the UK has an effective veto on the sale of Gripens.

Ah. Just read Vulcan's answer. What he wrote.
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That's true, but it's balanced by what swerve said earlier. They have no serious requirement for an Exocet-like capability, their neighbours are all friendly and there isn't any realistic scenario where they'd need to fire them off.

It certainly shouldn't be a bigger priority than being able to fulfill basic QRA in my opinion. They're thinking about renting Brazilian fighters to cover the G20 summit, however this might explain the knee-jerk Etendard purchase; get something supersonic with a couple of basic IR missiles.



Multiple points to consider for this question, but it has the same result
  • I believe the UK can and has blocked Gripen to Argentina? Or have said they would at least.
  • Would Argentina want to be reliant on British spares for the core of their air force?
  • I believe Argentina postulated having a 'no-UK' version, but that'd be horrendously expensive and Argentina would have to pay all of the costs

They're definitely up sh*t creek without a paddle considering the wide variety of avenues explored with nothing to show for it.
They simply lack the cash. They could easily buy Chinese or Russian fighters which would provide credible capability, but they cannot or will not supply the budget necessary to afford even them.
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They simply lack the cash. They could easily buy Chinese or Russian fighters which would provide credible capability, but they cannot or will not supply the budget necessary to afford even them.
Apparently the issue with JF-17/J-10* wasn't the cost of the basic aircraft, but that they wanted to fill it with Western/Israeli avionics and the like which naturally didn't go down well with any party, in addition to costing a bomb.

They've made moves towards all the suppliers in one form or another but came up with nothing, while in part it's a cash issue, it's also an issue that their AF don't want to get saddled with poor equipment, both of those combined doesn't make anybody happy.

*vaguely remember people at the time claiming they wanted J-10 but were offered JF-17
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Since they bought Supere Etendards why not Mirage 2000s?? it would be far more better choice in terms of quality for a state in such economics as Argentina. Mirage 2000s still serve in a lot of air forces
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Since they bought Supere Etendards why not Mirage 2000s?? it would be far more better choice in terms of quality for a state in such economics as Argentina. Mirage 2000s still serve in a lot of air forces
Long story short no budget, doesn't mean the air force does not want it, does not mean Argentina could not afford. It means the government is unwilling or being generous unable to provide such funding.
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