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Old August 18th, 2017   #91
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I know they are cash strapped but buying some F/A-50, used Gripens or FC-1 should be possible.

Swerve is absolutely right. They have to get their act together and buy something.
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It's not lack of cash that's the issue I suspect - more and more I start to believe that the civilian government is more afraid of arming their own military than they are of their neighbours.

There are lots and lots of options out there that they could take up, really, yeah, BUY SOMETHING NOW!
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Old August 29th, 2017   #93
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It's not lack of cash that's the issue I suspect - more and more I start to believe that the civilian government is more afraid of arming their own military than they are of their neighbours.

There are lots and lots of options out there that they could take up, really, yeah, BUY SOMETHING NOW!
Expanding a bit on your remarks...

The Argentine air-force has been budget-starved since the end of the Falklands/Malvinas conflict. The only substantial purchases where the A4-AR Fight Falcons during the 90's which, to my knowledge, are already at their operational limit. In contrast, the army did receive more equipment. The Argentine navy also did; plans for restarting the TR1700 submarine building program, or something of the sorts, and also minor upgrades to the P3B platform (2015) .

Receiving budget depended a lot on political alignment of the different forces with the ruling party, alas their air force was left to starve during the last government.

Things also get complicated as military expenditure is not seen keenly by some very loud crowds. Spending money in military upgrades now, would also heavily contradict the current government push to get the economy back in track (lowering expenses), with current inflation rates, alleged unemployment etc.. it would look like they are mocking their voters.

I wouldn't expect any new significant air platforms joining the air force's ranks this year, or even the next. I am pretty confident that there could be news in the navy aviations sector, but have yet to hear anything concrete in that regard.

Also, and this is fairly off topic, the fact that there isn't an arms race between South American nations hints that every single nation in it has their hands full with internal strife. Mercosur, OEA and other regional organizations failing to settle completely also points in that direction.
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South America does enjoy reasonable isolation from much of the crap going in the world and relations with neighbours within the continent are stellar compared to other regions in the world. These facts, along with some unpleasant military interventions against elected governments in the past, understandably leads to lower commitments towards defence and there are pressing needs in other areas as well.
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Αrgentina received the first 2 Texan II trainers. The Beechcraft T-6C Texan II aircraft, which the Argentine Air Force recently acquired for the advanced training of the new pilots, departed yesterday from the Textron Aviation Defense factory in the United States, heading to the Military Aviation School.

https : // w w w. facebook. c o m/ FuerzaAereaArgentina.Oficial/posts/10155308080578937

i remind that Argentina has ordered 12 such aircrafts. Well these birds have no fighter capability but they are an upgrade to the obsolete argentina air force
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..., the fact that there isn't an arms race between South American nations hints that every single nation in it has their hands full with internal strife. ....
Not really. What internal strife is there in Chile, Argentina, Uruguay (especially Uruguay), or Brazil? There are political quarrels (as everywhere), there's crime, but the military have kept out of government for many years & there's no sign of them coming back, & no armed rebellions or guerrillas for even longer.

Argentinean governments have allowed their armed forces to decay precisely because they don't see any armed threat, external or internal that the armed forces are needed to counter.
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I I have a question about Tecnam P2002JF E-550 trainer aircraft that AAF ordered some time ago.

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The aircraft is serial number E-550 and the first of eight P2002 Sierra basic trainers that have been leased by the Argentine Air Force via Aerotec at the Military Aviation School in Cordoba.

The lease deal is on a "pay per hour" model and will last for an initial eighteen months.
http :// militaryaviationreview . com/first-tecnam-p2002-for-argentine-air-force

This means that the payment will be completed in 18 "rents" if i understand right?
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I I have a question about Tecnam P2002JF E-550 trainer aircraft that AAF ordered some time ago.

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http :// militaryaviationreview . com/first-tecnam-p2002-for-argentine-air-force

This means that the payment will be completed in 18 "rents" if i understand right?
You would have to see the actual contract, but from that basic wording they have leased the aircraft. So I imagine they have a minimum contract stipend and once they have used the aircraft for X amount of hours there lease deal increses to compensate for additional flight hours.

But as I said you have to see the actual contract to verity the above.
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Argentina acquired five decommissioned French deck aircraft Super Etendard

According to the French website www . defens-aero . com, after nearly a year of negotiations, Argentina signed an intergovernmental agreement on October 5, 2017 to purchase five decommissioned Dassault Super Etendard fighter bombers in the Super Etendard Modernisee (SEM) . It is reported that the cost of the contract is 14.23 million euros, of which 12.55 million euros for aircraft and related documentation and spare parts, and 1.68 million euros will cost the re-opening and transportation of aircraft to Argentina.

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so whats your opinion on this purchase? Argentina phased out the Super Etendards he had and now buys them again. I think this decision is a setback..
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so whats your opinion on this purchase? Argentina phased out the Super Etendards he had and now buys them again. I think this decision is a setback..
Worthless. The only benefit will be keeping a handful of pilots used to flying supersonic ops, something which would be a lot easier to do through secondments.

Whatever there is left of the crushed and rusted can, it's been toe-poked along with a very worn pair of shoes.
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Worthless. The only benefit will be keeping a handful of pilots used to flying supersonic ops, something which would be a lot easier to do through secondments.

Whatever there is left of the crushed and rusted can, it's been toe-poked along with a very worn pair of shoes.
Does Argentina have anything else which can air-launch Exocet AShM? That is the first capability which comes to my mind that could justify getting Super Etendards.
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Does Argentina have any air-launched Exocets?

Argentina's air forces need to be able to patrol its territorial waters & EEZ (which are pretty big) & its land borders, & protect against the occasional loony who might want to crash a plane into something. It doesn't have any threatening neighbours, or anyone who might try to invade from the sea.
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I think Argentina should move on the same direction as Brazil and select Gripen (12 of them would be enough for their economic capacity) which is the cheapest from the modern multi-role aircrafts. I don't know however whether UK could block such a deal
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Does Argentina have anything else which can air-launch Exocet AShM? That is the first capability which comes to my mind that could justify getting Super Etendards.
That's true, but it's balanced by what swerve said earlier. They have no serious requirement for an Exocet-like capability, their neighbours are all friendly and there isn't any realistic scenario where they'd need to fire them off.

It certainly shouldn't be a bigger priority than being able to fulfill basic QRA in my opinion. They're thinking about renting Brazilian fighters to cover the G20 summit, however this might explain the knee-jerk Etendard purchase; get something supersonic with a couple of basic IR missiles.

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I think Argentina should move on the same direction as Brazil and select Gripen (12 of them would be enough for their economic capacity) which is the cheapest from the modern multi-role aircrafts. I don't know however whether UK could block such a deal
Multiple points to consider for this question, but it has the same result
  • I believe the UK can and has blocked Gripen to Argentina? Or have said they would at least.
  • Would Argentina want to be reliant on British spares for the core of their air force?
  • I believe Argentina postulated having a 'no-UK' version, but that'd be horrendously expensive and Argentina would have to pay all of the costs

They're definitely up sh*t creek without a paddle considering the wide variety of avenues explored with nothing to show for it.
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