Redlands18
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Not bad for ships that were supposed to serve for only 3-5 years.
Indian Navy Discussions and Updates
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el Cid
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Navantia has just approved the acceptance of aip system in Spain, it works, it has resistance, it is ready for service, it is a big point for the requirement of the Indian Navy for the submarine program. Aip Best of S80plus submarine from Spain, 3 weeks at 300 kws, 4 knots submerged.
Source please.
Ananda
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Your link does not shown talk on Navantia is offering S80 and AIP system to India Submarine tender. This is afterall Indian Navy Thread.
m.timesofindia.com
Simple googling you can add link that shown Navantia already offer submarine to Indian tender. This going to make your claim S80 for Indian navy relevant.
Germany, Spain in contest for $4.8 billion Indian submarine deal - Times of India
India Business News: Indian officials are currently evaluating competing bids to build six of the vessels in the country, senior Indian officials aware of the developments
m.timesofindia.com
Simple googling you can add link that shown Navantia already offer submarine to Indian tender. This going to make your claim S80 for Indian navy relevant.
Ananda
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MDL delivers 'Imphal' to Navy 4 months ahead of contractual time; first warship with accommodation for women staff
Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited (MDL) has delivered the third stealth destroyer of Project 15B Class guided missile destroyer, 'Imphal', to the Indian Navy, four months ahead of schedule. This warship is the first to have accommodation for women officers and sailors. It is armed with...
MDL delivers 3rd Visakhapatnam-class destroyer to Indian Navy - Naval News
The Indian Navy took delivery of the third Project 15B (Visakhapatnam-class) destroyer, the INS Imphal (D68)
www.navalnews.com
Third P-15B destroyer project deliver to Indian Navy. This ship will also housed improved Brahmo that have capabilities for both naval and land attack. Faster delivery for Indian yard is important to shown they have improve their productivity capabilities.
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Ananda
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Indian Navy soon will host naval exercise MILAN 2024. Seems the exercise mostly related to anti piracy in high seas. However India also seems carefull enough not to be seen having scenarios on related to Anti Houthi's operation that being lead by US. Thus scenario of anti piracy scenarios in Arab Sea and Indies is more proper, considering India invite many regional neighbors.
Ananda
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India will procure C295 base MPA which they call Medium Range Maritime Patrol. 9 for Navy and 6 for Coast Guard. This will complement P-8I and Dornier Coastal Patrol. India also plan to add UAV for their MPA assets, make it layers capabilities.
Indian Navy, Coast Guard to get 15 Maritime Patrol Aircraft based on Airbus C-295 - Naval News
India approved multiple acquisition proposals of the Indian Navy and Coast Guard, including new MPAs, sonars, torpedoes...
www.navalnews.com
Ananda
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Video from MILAN exercise 2024, shown India two carriers Vikramaditya and Vikrant simultaneously launch 2 Mig 29K. Despite ultimate plan to have eventual CATOBAR carrier, seems talk in media still indicating the third carrier will be based on STOBAR Vikrant.
This is more on the side of costs and also what India indigenously already maturing with STOBAR Carriers operation, as shown in the video. 2 sq of Mig 29K and 2 sq of Naval Rafale so far that'll be the Naval Airwing for the Carriers. At least until the indigenous naval Fighters ready to take over.
Ananda
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Work on third aircraft carrier to start soon, more to follow, says Rajnath Singh
India will soon start making its third aircraft carrier, said Defence Minister Rajnath Singh while talking to The Tribune. He was referring to the...
www.tribuneindia.com
Seems confirm the third carrier will be Vikrant sister ship. Again shown India doing conservatively with what they already Master.
Sandhi Yudha
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The original plan wasWork on third aircraft carrier to start soon, more to follow, says Rajnath Singh
India will soon start making its third aircraft carrier, said Defence Minister Rajnath Singh while talking to The Tribune. He was referring to the...
Seems confirm the third carrier will be Vikrant sister ship. Again shown India doing conservatively with what they already Master.
1. Baku/Admiral Gorshkov/Vikramaditya
2. IAC-1/Vikrant (STOBAR)
3. IAC-2/Vishal (CATOBAR)
Then the plan was to build a second Vikrant (STOBAR) ship, so the Vishal became IAC-3.
And now they want to add a third (STOBAR) ship to the Vikrant class, and because of this wait longer with a CATOBAR-carrier, is this correctly?
Ananda
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To be fair, the 3rd carrier is CATOBAR or even CVN CATOBAR more to some pundits speculation and not Indian MinDef possition. However I agree that time schedule and off course development costs matter.
India track record on introducing new system ussualy not what can be said on schedule. Many even way overdue. We can see their track record introducing Tejas, This Vikrant (IAC) carrier, or Kaveri Turbofan engine. All deviate from schedule significantly. Thus introducing new CATOBAR design, will also be risking over stretching the schedule again.
However when they are already set on a design, ussualy they can fasten the production run considerably. We can see their 2nd or more vessels on the class, ussualy can be produce much faster then 1st one. Shown they're quite conservative in approaching new design. For that getting 2nd IAC, should be saver for their time schedule. Hopefully the 2nd IAC they also rectified the size of the side aircraft elevators.
I also due suspect the problem on getting Catapult for CATOBAR can also be problem. Base on what I read in their forums, and media pundits (thus rumours), Indian MinDef and Navy has reservations to using US EMALS right away. This as they are not ready yet for CVN, and seems US producer told them their EMALS prefer to work in CVN due to power consumption.
India as far as I know (base on open sources) not yet have advance indigenous program for their EMALS (unlike China). We also still guessing whether PLAN can work their EMALS satisfactory in their Fujian conventional CV. Something that I tend to see also being watch by Indian.
John Fedup
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Better to wait and see how the Chinese EMALS performs with GT power generation. Mind you if performance turns out to be poor, the Chinese are not likely to be forthcoming as to whether it is due to power limitations or a faulty EMALS design.
Ananda
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Actually John, there's easier way to read China move:
1. If they don't continue one development, we know it is the trouble. If successful, then CCTV will cover it.
2. Surprisingly (or perhaps not too surprising), there will be leaks in Weibo or Chinese onlines.
If problem with EMALS, either they come out with new design, or they back to old steam Catapult tech. Weibo's and Chinese forums also talk on that steam ones development. If this is power generation, then they will rectified with either larger GT set up or goes Nuclear.
From what I see so far, whether it is politics, defense, social or economics, there're always hints and leaks. CCP grip on media actualy in my opinion not as bullet prove as many outside China thinks.
1. If they don't continue one development, we know it is the trouble. If successful, then CCTV will cover it.
2. Surprisingly (or perhaps not too surprising), there will be leaks in Weibo or Chinese onlines.
If problem with EMALS, either they come out with new design, or they back to old steam Catapult tech. Weibo's and Chinese forums also talk on that steam ones development. If this is power generation, then they will rectified with either larger GT set up or goes Nuclear.
From what I see so far, whether it is politics, defense, social or economics, there're always hints and leaks. CCP grip on media actualy in my opinion not as bullet prove as many outside China thinks.
John Fedup
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The issue with more GTs for power is fuel demands. This would be made worse if larger carriers are deemed necessary. I would bet the nuclear option is getting serious R&D funding, a benefit for future SSBN development as well.
Ananda
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The problem with CVN is that present Chinese Reactor are not big enough for Carrier. Yes in theory they can have 2-4 SSBN reactors for one CVN. However seems indication so far China want to build new design.
www.dw.com
There's speculation that the new reactor will use Thorium Molten Salt tech. Not something new actually, as Thorcon also try to work with Indonesian MinDef on developing naval thorium reactor. Whether PLAN will go there, remain to be seen. However this just shown they are not thinking the present SSBN reactors will be enough for CVN.
Thus back to India, their naval reactor in Arihant class SSBN is smaller then what Chinese has put in their latest SSBN and SSN. If China still have problem or at least still try developing new reactor design for CVN, you can be sure for India it will be much more challenging.
Which's why using present IAC design for India actually not only rational as using design they already Master. However also shown they have no other choice to continue using existing STOBAR design, as choice for CATOBAR, I do believe put much more challenges on their present capabilities.
Decoding China: Can Beijing become a naval power in Pacific? – DW – 03/11/2024
China wants to modernize and bolster its navy. It's expanding its aircraft carrier fleet by building two nuclear-powered vessels, not only as a deterrent but also to displace the US military presence.
www.dw.com
There's speculation that the new reactor will use Thorium Molten Salt tech. Not something new actually, as Thorcon also try to work with Indonesian MinDef on developing naval thorium reactor. Whether PLAN will go there, remain to be seen. However this just shown they are not thinking the present SSBN reactors will be enough for CVN.
Thus back to India, their naval reactor in Arihant class SSBN is smaller then what Chinese has put in their latest SSBN and SSN. If China still have problem or at least still try developing new reactor design for CVN, you can be sure for India it will be much more challenging.
Which's why using present IAC design for India actually not only rational as using design they already Master. However also shown they have no other choice to continue using existing STOBAR design, as choice for CATOBAR, I do believe put much more challenges on their present capabilities.
Nuclear can generate steam easily. GTs not. Probably need a separate steam generator.