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The Czech government has approved clearance for the export of a single VERA-E passive surveillance system (PSS) to the ...
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The Czech government has approved clearance for the export of a single VERA-E passive surveillance system (PSS) to the US Department of Defense (DoD). The DoD agreed to procure one VERA-E PSS for testing purposes as compensation for the US government's intervention into the sale of six systems to China ...
15-Oct-2004
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Heard this system is capable of detecting US F-117,F-22 and all kinds of Stealth Plane.I bet the one received by US must be the Inferior one! If good one and let US master to counter this system,nobody will buy their system and they cannot make money!
Interesting. Well, the US is no stranger to ELINT. Check out the US Navy's "White Cloud" system sometime.
But it's nice to get our hands on someone else's system, so we can investigate the frequencies it scans, it's sensitivity, etc. F-22's use tight beam communications between AC and Satellites, so I don't know if a ground based system is going to pick up any communication signals. Radar, maybe.
Not that new. Vera-E is around for some time, as well as other passive radar systems. As far as I understand, it is irrelevant wether there is any emission from lets say the F-22 or F-117 or whatever. Systems like Vera-E scan the airspace which is flooded by radio emissions sent out by a large numer of different emitters (telecommunication, television, cell phones etc.) for disturbances caused by moving objects (namely the F-22). Since any aircraft flying through this "flooded" airspace has to disturb these emissions in some way, it becomes detectable to some degree.
However in regions not that much "polluted" with such emissions (lets say deserts and other barely inhabited areas), passive radar relies on the emissions from the very target, thus making it easier for an enemy AC to evade such systems.
didnt the russians also cliam sometime back that they had deviseda way to detect the night fox and the stealth fighters?????
and isn't there classified info on the F-22 that talks about hwo one may indetify it indirectly using oen of F-22's vulnerabilities??? but USAF completely classified all this, i think i read this in PopSci somewhere
Is the Czech the only country that have this Anti-Sealth Radar?
Actually its not really an "anti stealth" radar. Its simply operating on some other principles than conventional active radar, thus being not that blind against stealth principles which are optimized against active radar emissions.
As for the countries operating such systems: At least the Russians have a comparable system called "Kolchuga". Its an array of passive radar sensors which can be combined with S-300/400 SAM installations.
The system is produced by Topaz in the Ukraine.
In the end China will get a passive radar system, regardless of export restrictions. With SAM sites being primary targets for air strikes, such tech will gain more and more popularity and in the end someone will sell these systems.
I wonder that on what principle does this radar works?Aaccording to my knowledge F-22 and F-117 has low Heat leak, Low radar energy return(infact nearly neglectible) which are the two main sources to detect an aircraft by a radar.What is the other source which this New radar is Utilizing to detect Steath Fighters?
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The Australian system works on a top down detection process. Officially it's range is circa 3500km's. Unofficially it's been reported that it was able to detect aircraft movements as far as Hong Kong, and intermittently it was usggested that it detected F-117's out of Bagdhad.
That is in part due to the fact that is takes advantage of vagaries in the ionosphere. So the reach would not normally be that far.
There is a second Australian system which has a 500km range and uses a smaller version of Ionosphere jumping.
The US has signed an agreement a few months ago to co-develop both systems further.
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about people here talking about scanning com links, it can be done but there would be no way any force can monitor the huge amount of com traffic, unless "limited resources" is not a factor. there is a way, in computing we use a specialized (very pricey) software called "the Package sniffer" it sniffs through network's packages on a ad-hoc basis i guess a very systematic way at great speeds making parses over key areas of the network and it can detect unauthorized packets and pick out the sources, a some sort of com link scanner hooked up to super computer could so the job. the problem would be to isolate F-22 com link.
about people here talking about scanning com links, it can be done but there would be no way any force can monitor the huge amount of com traffic, unless "limited resources" is not a factor. there is a way, in computing we use a specialized (very pricey) software called "the Package sniffer" it sniffs through network's packages on a ad-hoc basis i guess a very systematic way at great speeds making parses over key areas of the network and it can detect unauthorized packets and pick out the sources, a some sort of com link scanner hooked up to super computer could so the job. the problem would be to isolate F-22 com link.
As asdH said, it can be done, and it is done in specific circumstances.
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is it possible to detect a trace radiation from electronics circuitry, such as avionics?
It sure is. During vietnam war, US AC-130 Gunships had sensors to pick up spark plug signals in North Vietnamese supply trucks. This technique was used because most of the vehicles were driven under thick jungle umbrella hence difficult if not impossible to see visually.
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Could you post more info on the Australian ELINT? I was looking around but so far nothing....
You're not going to find anything really. The ADF and AusGov does not put any meaningful info on ELINT capability out in the public domain.
We do have a range of sensor systems in place, and we have joint facilities with the US which are generally acknowledged, but specifics are deliberately (and appropriately) withheld.
JORN however recently managed to detect a B2 in Arizona (Nellis) when you consider the fact of the systems design parameters, thats no mean feat. (The system is designed to look west - not east)
It's generally acknowledged within military circles that some of the Australian ELINT gathering capability is better than the US capability in Sth East Asia/East Asia.
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