Preventing Terrorism: Paving the Way to Peace With Invincible Defense Technology
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[QUOTE=highsea]Is the raw data available for review wrt the city/crime studies? It would also help to know which mathematical formulas/equations were applied to the data to arrive at the results specified.
High Seas,
More re your earlier post: you have some very good questions that deserve thorough answers. This is especially the case when research appears to result in findings beyond your experience. The theoretical base and logical inferences involved in this research may not be familiar.
These experiments were actually conceived by physicists. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, himself, was trained as a physicist.
Continuing dialogue IS necessary. The theory is very precise and most people that I interviewed had difficulty relating to the claims because they had no experience with which to judge.
You are justified in trying to look very closely at this research. As I said, look for John Davies’ research to be published this month in the Journal of Social Behavior and Personality.
One study of interest, particularly relevant to this forum about preventing war and terrorism is described below. This study used publicly available data, obtainable from the Rand Corporation.
"Unified Field-Based Defence Technology consisting of the Transcendental Meditation programme and its advanced practice, the TM-Sidhi programme, has been tried out in many war zones and conflict-prone areas with excellent results; the success has been scientifically validated and documented in over 50 studies. A landmark study just published in the Journal of Offender Rehabilitation [this link goes to an abstract on the Journal's website] shows a 72% reduction in international terrorism (p<.025) when the proper threshold of people practicing Unified Field-Based Defence Technology was reached. These assemblies were held during the years 1983–1985. This study investigated the effects of three large assemblies approaching the Maharishi Effect threshold for the world at this time. (n=7,000). Time series analysis was used in conjunction with the content analysis of world-wide news events reported in the New York Times and London Times. The Rand Corporation data bank was used to study international conflict (p<.025, p<.005 and p<.01 for each of the three assemblies) and terrorism (p<.025). The study also revealed that international conflict decreased 33% (p<.025). Analysis of the data indicates that the Maharishi Effect had a rapid onset that influenced trends from distances of thousands of miles and more importantly that violence was reduced in other nations without the overt intrusion by any governments."
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i havent read all the posts but i would just say that terrorism on big scale is something which is created by the west. Why US has been targetted on 9/11 even terrorist know that this country has the best defence on earth. Why?. There must be something which US had been done wrong in Past and continuing to that. 9/11 is not something happened ultimately. There were a whole chain of US faults...sorry blunders, which US was doing against Muslims. And 9/11 was the reaction. I dont want to go in details due to shortage of time(for me) but i know only one thing Solve Plestine,chechnia,and Kashmir Issue, have good relations with All muslim countries and you will see a world free of TERROR.
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Originally Posted by Carla Brown EdD
...you have some very good questions that deserve thorough answers. This is especially the case when research appears to result in findings beyond your experience. The theoretical base and logical inferences involved in this research may not be familiar.
These experiments were actually conceived by physicists. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, himself, was trained as a physicist.
Thank you Dr. Brown. I have read the links provided, but unfortunately the actual studies/data cited are not available. I am not a statistician, so I am not familiar with the Box-Jenkins analysis method, other than in general terms. It's not something I could apply to the data myself without quite a bit of effort and study. I was actually more interested in seeing the raw data and the assumptions made prior to applying the formula.
One of the main difficulties I have is with the claim that this is a manipulation or manifestation of a "unified field", e.g., we are dealing with a force of nature. In science, we are taught our four forces- gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces. Modern physics understands that electromagnetism and the weak nuclear force are manifestations of the same force, and refer to it as the electroweak force. All of these forces have common properties, i.e. force carrying particles (or in the case of gravity, the assumption of a force carrying particle). They can all be defined in mathematical terms, and validated in the laboratory.
Unified field theories have been the holy grail of physics for a century or so. Through high energy physics, we have been able to unify 3 of the 4 forces, and only gravity has avoided our grasp. The experiments involve reproducing the conditions of the universe at the time of the Big Bang. It is theorized that if we could create the conditions prior to the first symmetry breaking (the origin of the gravitational force), we would have all 4 forces unified. This involves creating conditions in the laboratory that are prior to the first 1/100 of a second after the Big Bang. Not a trivial task.
Invincible Defence Technology violates some of the physical laws we have come to take for granted, such as local causality. While there are other examples of such violations in quantum physics, such as the Bell Effect, they are limited and understandable (it is assumed that a working quantum theory of gravity would resolve these difficulties). IDT gets around these problems by claiming to operate at a level more fundamental than the 4 forces (most notably gravity), since it is General Relativity that gives us the law of local causality. Also, Yogic Flying is apparently defying gravity directly. It goes without saying that this will raise some eyebrows in the scientific community.
For Invincible Defence Technology to lay a credible claim to a unified field, it must be quantified. So far I have not seen this. It also has to be shown that it exists independant of human interaction, in fact, independant of life itself, or it cannot be considered a fundamental force. In addition, the mechanism that the brain uses to manipulate this field needs to at least be postulated. What is so special about humans that we have this power?
So if it's possible, I would like to hear the scientific explanation of the theory, as defined by the Maharishi (or someone with an equal background in Physics and understanding of the theory).
Please do not think that I am automatically discounting the theory. I have great respect for the contributions to science that have come out of India in the past. It's just that this particular one is much closer to metaphysics than physics, from what I have seen so far.
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High Seas,
I apologize for the delay in responding to you.
Your first question concerns the raw data. In most cases, as with the study that I examined for my Harvard doctoral dissertation, the data is publicly available, archival, with research hypotheses lodged in advance of the experiments. The research I examined is part of an ongoing program with systematic replication.
What were the assumptions and experience of the data at the time of the experiment? We have several indications. The outcomes were evident to researchers in the first-level compilation of data, that is with eyeball examination. This data is evident in published charts. For example, the Journal of Conflict Resolution Study that I examined published a chart, showing “a tendency toward an inverse correlation between the MTUF group size and the war intensity in Lebanon) (see Journal of Conflict Resolution, 32 (4), Dec. 1988, 776-812)
We also have reports from observers, from independent board members who were sent the data as it was collected, from public officials, and from meditating participants.
Dr. Kurt Kleinschnitz in private correspondence describes the response of a Chief of Police below:
“For one of the best of these studies, predictions were lodged publicly in advance, and a panel of more than 20 scientists not affiliated with the organization and the police of the district agreed to review the findings (Washington, DC in 1993). At the presentation of the prediction, a 25% drop in crime in the District over an 8-week period over June and July, the Chief of Police replied with his own prediction—to the effect that the only way you could produce such an effect would be 25 inches of snow. By the end of the demonstration project, crime had decreased below baseline projections by the predicted 25%. The panel of scientists and the police signed off on the study. The city itself was noticeably calmer—with many fewer sirens at night for example.”
Dani Kesler, an Israeli participant in the assembly in 1982-83 (when the Journal of Conflict Resolution study was conducted) describes being a reservist who was drafted to be among 8000 Israelis who surrounded 4000 Palestinians, all “absolutely ready to fight.”
“On that Friday, it was tanks and armed carriers – the whole show. On Friday there was a schedule for the event to happen. All of the hospitals north of Tel Aviv were put on the highest degree of alertness. The Air Force was on highest alert. The tension was building up. When the date came, we actually reached 200 (square root number for Israel). When the operation took place, not even one gunshot happened. Not one. The day before one guy was shot cleaning his gun in my tent.
“It was just something that nobody expected. Everybody was expecting the worst. The Palestinians (4000 of them), they knew what was happening on our side, even though we were surrounding. That was the biggest miracle that could have happened in those circumstances. There was no flaring of violence. The soldiers had clear instructions. Slightest deviation from what we want to do, we shoot. We were all going with loaded guns.”
Dani explained it was only after the experiment was conducted that he realized that the group was sufficiently large according to the theory to have affected these events.
“To be honest I didn’t believe in it at first. I told the people, ‘We will see.’ Even when personally I was there, it still didn’t convince me enough. I didn’t know we had the right number in Jerusalem.
I was meditating in some ambulance. A few months later, I looked at the numbers and I said, ‘Oh, look that is the day I was there. We were 200, perhaps 250 [meditating, which was near the threshold number needed to have an effect]. I didn’t realize it.” When I realized it, the researchers were no longer around.
In the same time period, Dani related that his cousin, a lawyer had a similar kind of confirmation regarding drop of crime.
“One of the days of good numbers was Succoth, a holiday near the end of the summer, harvest something. Takes about a week. During Succoth there is more chance for crime. My cousin, a lawyer, came to the Police station. It is the busiest time of the year, summer, hot, more crime. She apologized to the guy at the police station, not wanting to bother him because it was a busy time. She wanted to see about a guy in jail. The guy said, ‘I don’t know what happened. There is hardly any crime. I have so much time on my hands.”
Box-Jenkins Time Series analysis provides a control for trends that might otherwise explain these immediate results.
I asked Dr. Kleinschnitz to address your next question re: the theoretical explanations involving the unified field. His doctoral dissertation dealt with this question:
“How is the effect generated? It emanates when a group of people practice the Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi program together in synchrony. As the size of the group increases, an influence is detected in a larger population. The formula, based on the ‘super-radiance’ phenomenon from quantum optics, predicts that a population of 100 times the square of the group size will be impacted in a detectable fashion.
So, for the US with a population of 300 million, a group of 1,700 or larger is enough to produce the influence. This formula empirically builds upon the earliest findings that in a society where 1% of the population practices the Transcendental Meditation program individually—not as a group—trends in society will significantly improve. The 100 in the formula comes from this finding, first predicted by Maharishi in the late 60’s and early 70’s. The Transcendental Meditation technique itself dramatically increases orderliness across the individual brain, as measured by EEG studies. In many studies the group was far distant from or quite isolated from the populations studied—for example, a group in Iowa, USA was related to the decrease in war intensity in the Lebanese civil war halfway around the world.
So how does it work? What is the mechanism? Well—in my opinion this is Nobel Prize territory for someone who sorts it all out. In physics we know that consciousness impacts the object of investigation physically. You mention the Bell phenomenon, and there is the whole subject of quantum measurement theory. But how does this happen? There are a number of investigators at work in this field now doing quite interesting research, apart from the research on the Maharishi Effect. But physicists can’t say at this point.
It is actually easier to say what mechanisms it cannot be than what mechanism it is. For example, it is not weak or strong nuclear force because they are far too short range. It is not likely to be classical gravitation—which is long-range but incredibly weak, and there is no reason to propose a human sensory capability of detecting such weak gravity waves. And at the source there is no reason to suspect a classical gravitational influence. Electromagnetism at first blush seems to be a candidate for the mechanism, but as one looks more deeply into it, it becomes apparent that it cannot be the mechanism. There is a distinct electromagnetic signal associated with the practice of Transcendental Meditation. However, EEG signals are extraordinarily weak and are further attenuated by the skull. It would be very difficult to build a device to pick up EEG at even a short distance from a human subject. Further, some of these groups were situated either in metal buildings or beneath the ground, yet the influence was detected. And more, there is little to suggest a very weak electromagnetic signal could directly be received by the human physiologies across sometimes thousands of miles—and by so large a percentage of a population that very significant changes in behavior of society occur. Other more classical mechanics can also be ruled out—chemical pheromones can dramatically alter behavior in biological organisms and at long ranges, but such explanations would be quite unlikely over thousands of miles range. Also, there is no hint of such a chemical basis at the source where it would be most concentrated. Sounds, vibrations, sight, etc. all also can travel long distances, but again there is no basis at the source—the group—to suspect such a mechanism. Being nicer to people, smiling, etc. won’t produce long-range instantaneous influences. One can go through any list of potential mechanisms and rule them out.
Quite the opposite for the unified field. The unified field suggests itself as the mechanism for a number of reasons. It could be long range. It is bosonic, like gravity and electromagnetism, and so a super-radiance-like phenomenon can make sense. This is a highly important clue. The unified field is, as the writer mentioned, at the scale where gravity is united with the other three forces. The Maharishi Effect is profoundly connected with a quantum gravity scenario, as the most striking feature of such a group is that people are lifting up into the air during the practice of Yogic Flying—the most powerful of the TM-Sidhis and probably the practice most responsible for the Maharishi Effect. This lifting up could be connected with quantum gravity in a profound way. The unified field in its character is neither energy, nor matter, but extraordinarily most like thought-stuff. This also connects very well with a profound meditation practice that enables an individual to most clearly experience the subtlest currents of thought within themselves. There is a very developed history of the existence and abilities of human consciousness to directly impact the surroundings—contained in practically every religious tradition around the world, though mostly overlooked in the scientific literature. The more detailed of such explanations match extraordinarily well with comparable specific details for the unified field. Inside unified field theory itself, there are a number of promising potential candidates for the mechanism. Each point above could be unfolded in really great detail.
However, truthfully, mechanism is not the central issue. It is really a red herring. Our civilization was able to employ the telegraph with only a very rudimentary understanding of the electromagnetic field. Likewise, contrast the state of aeronautics at the time of the Wright brothers and today. What will we know about DNA a hundred years from now? Our ignorance doesn’t stop us from using what we do know. In almost every field of science and technology we employ whatever limited understanding we possess, and surely not a complete understanding, of natural law for the benefit of the human race.
There is no technology comparable whatever to the Maharishi Effect. The cost-effectiveness, the humanity of the approach (as opposed to warfare, conflict, competition, etc.), the simplicity, the immediate (almost instantaneous) payback, and its reliability set it apart from any other methods for resolving conflict, and administering society. A practical government would put it to work today, pay attention as they went along, and sort out the mechanism over time. It is my hope someone gets excited about all this, and just pushes it forward. There is research, there are countless anecdotes, there is so much to all of this for anyone to just look, satisfy themselves, and give it a try.”
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For those having difficulty understanding how this Invincible Defense approach works, I can offer another angle based on my research in this area. Our results may be relevant to the question of how the Maharishi Effect engages the brain.
In a study published last month called “Effect of Group Practice of the Transcendental Meditation Program on Biochemical Indicators of Stress in Non-Meditators…” (Journal of Social Behavior and Personality, 2005, 17, 339-373), Ken Cavanaugh, Nirmal Pugh, and I evaluated the relationship between the number of people practicing the advanced Transcendental Meditation (TM-Sidhi) program in a group and the levels of biochemical indicators of stress in non-meditators miles away. We found that when the number of meditators in the group increased, the level of cortisol, a hormone associated with stress, decreased. Simultaneously, an indicator of serotonin, a neurochemical associated with well-being, increased. These results suggested that the greater the number of people practicing this program together, the more normal (or unstressed) the people in the surrounding area became.
There are two reasons these findings may be important: (1) they may help to understand how a group of TM meditators practicing together can affect brain activity in the larger population, and (2) they help to explain the particular effects of the group on the behavior of the larger population. Studies on the changes that take place when an individual begins the TM program indicate that stress related biochemicals such as cortisol decrease. They also indicate that indicators of well-being increase. This effect appears to be due to the experience of transcendental consciousness when the individual practices the technique of TM.
In the theoretical understanding of this effect, the Vedic tradition from which this technology arises indicates that transcendental consciousness is a direct experience of the unified field underlying and connecting all matter/energy in the universe. When the individual mind contacts this field, the field is “enlivened.” This means its properties and effects are more likely to be experienced by others in the surroundings.
Researchers in this area have concluded that the enlivenment of this field during a group meditation is analogous to the processes in a LASER. The more people transcending (experiencing the unified field) in a group, the greater the enlivenment of the field and the greater the effect on the surrounding people. (Theoretically, if the phenomenon is identical to the LASER, the increase is proportional to the square of the number of people in the group.) Even though most people in the surrounding area do not practice the TM and TM-Sidhi programs, they are affected by the enlivenment of transcendental consciousness (unified field), by the group, so their cortisol drops, and their serotonin rises.
Because both these biochemicals affect brain activity, the connection between what is happening in a group of meditators and what happens in these non-meditators is understandable. The brains of the non-meditators now are functioning more normally, in a less stressed manner just as is observed in individuals who begin the practice of TM. Their behaviors are based less on stressful emotions such as fear and anger and more on those of friendliness and compassion, characteristic of people who are happy and contented with their state of being. Stress-free people are happier, and happy people do not enjoy violence or war.
To respond to the above question from Sabre, happy, compassionate people do not behave in ways that create enemies. When enemies are not created, war does not occur. In this scenario, everybody wins. Hope this research and the explanation helps.
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Why are these studies not published on the web? Cortisol is produced by the adrenal glands (partly) in response to stress, and the body has an elaborate feeedback system that regulates the amount of cortisol produced. No offense, but it defies medical science to say that a group of people meditating can affect the adrenal glands of someone else through this "unified field".
Also, why has "vedic flying" not been scientifically documented? This would go a long way to legitimizing your claims wrt the brain's ability to interact with this hypothetical unified field.
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"These results suggested that the greater the number of people practicing this program together, the more normal (or unstressed) the people in the surrounding area became. "
Tatra (who has a PhD from a school that rivals Harvard in his particular field of study) thinks this suggests that TM - if it works - may be a means to fight symptoms rather than a cure. The best is still to understand a disease and its causes and then to generate a cure or take away the causes (rather then to fight the symptoms but let the disease run its course).
HighSea has been far nicer then I am and will be. Why is it that I get uneasy when people insist on flaunting their education, the institutes that are involved and lots of research to make a point. Survival of the fittest: if this approach were really any good it would have already been adopted on a large scale!
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Originally Posted by Carla Brown EdD
...I asked Dr. Kleinschnitz to address your next question re: the theoretical explanations involving the unified field. His doctoral dissertation dealt with this question:
Thank you Dr. Brown. I apologize also for the delay in my reply. I will continue in my role as the sceptic, if you don't mind.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Kleinschnitz via Carla Brown
...It is actually easier to say what mechanisms it cannot be than what mechanism it is. For example, it is not weak or strong nuclear force because they are far too short range. It is not likely to be classical gravitation—which is long-range but incredibly weak, and there is no reason to propose a human sensory capability of detecting such weak gravity waves. And at the source there is no reason to suspect a classical gravitational influence. Electromagnetism at first blush seems to be a candidate for the mechanism, but as one looks more deeply into it, it becomes apparent that it cannot be the mechanism. ... One can go through any list of potential mechanisms and rule them out.
I agree. There is nothing in current physics can account for the effect that is claimed. Every interaction has to have a mediator, and none of the known forces and their mediators can be considered a candidate for the effect.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Kleinschnitz via Carla Brown
Quite the opposite for the unified field. The unified field suggests itself as the mechanism for a number of reasons. It could be long range. It is bosonic, like gravity and electromagnetism, and so a super-radiance-like phenomenon can make sense. This is a highly important clue. The unified field is, as the writer mentioned, at the scale where gravity is united with the other three forces. The Maharishi Effect is profoundly connected with a quantum gravity scenario, as the most striking feature of such a group is that people are lifting up into the air during the practice of Yogic Flying—the most powerful of the TM-Sidhis and probably the practice most responsible for the Maharishi Effect. This lifting up could be connected with quantum gravity in a profound way. The unified field in its character is neither energy, nor matter, but extraordinarily most like thought-stuff...Inside unified field theory itself, there are a number of promising potential candidates for the mechanism. Each point above could be unfolded in really great detail.
This seems to be a misstatement of Unified Field Theory as it applies to physics. The point where the 4 forces are unified is the state of the universe ~1/100th. sec. after the big bang. The 4 forces were separated one by one through a process of symmetry breaking in the very first moments of the universe's existence. Thus, Unified Field Theory, as it applies to physics, does not imply that such a condition exists in today's universe. The field as it is described by IDT is more akin to the "ether" of the late 1800's, which has been discredited long ago as a workable theory.
To suggest that it is connected to gravity, means that the mediator would be the theoretical graviton- the boson that is the force carrying particle for gravtiy. We have already ruled this out, since there is no logical way we can conclude that the brain has some mechanism for manipulating gravitons. Incidentally, if Vedic Flying could be scientifically documented, this would give credibility to this part of the theory. I would say that this should be the #1 priority for proponents of IDT. Prove that Vedic Flying is real, and you would have no problem with funding for further research.
Even so, we are left trying to explain how gravitational effects can produce the results claimed by IDT, such as modifying the metabolic rates in the human body in accordance with the persons doing the meditating, or how these effects can be "focused" on specific conflicts- meditators in Iowa affect a war in Lebanon, but there is no worldwide peace at the same time.
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However, truthfully, mechanism is not the central issue. It is really a red herring. Our civilization was able to employ the telegraph with only a very rudimentary understanding of the electromagnetic field. Likewise, contrast the state of aeronautics at the time of the Wright brothers and today. What will we know about DNA a hundred years from now? Our ignorance doesn’t stop us from using what we do know. In almost every field of science and technology we employ whatever limited understanding we possess, and surely not a complete understanding, of natural law for the benefit of the human race.
Actually, we had a very good working understanding of electrmagnetism before telegraphs were ever put into use. Tesla's work with radio in the late 1800's laid the groundwork for the implementation of telegraphs, electrical power generation, radio, etc. The Wright Brothers at least had a basic understanding of aerodynamic principles, lift and drag, level flight and turning flight, etc. Wrt DNA, biology has only been able to make reliable predictions in genetics after our knowledge of DNA became more advanced.
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There is no technology comparable whatever to the Maharishi Effect. The cost-effectiveness, the humanity of the approach (as opposed to warfare, conflict, competition, etc.), the simplicity, the immediate (almost instantaneous) payback, and its reliability set it apart from any other methods for resolving conflict, and administering society. A practical government would put it to work today, pay attention as they went along, and sort out the mechanism over time. It is my hope someone gets excited about all this, and just pushes it forward. There is research, there are countless anecdotes, there is so much to all of this for anyone to just look, satisfy themselves, and give it a try.” [/font]
So far all I have seen is anectodal evidence, and not well documented. I would think that getting the evidence published online would be a step forward for proponents of IDT.
Part of my discomfort comes from calling it a "technology", when there is no technology involved. I would call it Metaphysics. Also, using terms like unified fields, while possibly attractive to a layman, will turn off someone with a scientific background, unless you are able to give it a scientific context. By that I mean, you at least have to have a testable hypothesis for the existence of this unknown field, something that is lacking at the present, or at least has not been presented here.
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Why are these studies not published on the web? Cortisol is produced by the adrenal glands (partly) in response to stress, and the body has an elaborate feeedback system that regulates the amount of cortisol produced. No offense, but it defies medical science to say that a group of people meditating can affect the adrenal glands of someone else through this "unified field".
Also, why has "vedic flying" not been scientifically documented? This would go a long way to legitimizing your claims wrt the brain's ability to interact with this hypothetical unified field.
Thank you for your expressed skepticism. Skepticism is good, especially when it leads the skeptic to become sufficiently interested in a topic to read the published literature on it. Unfortunately, these publications are of the old style, paper variety. Nevertheless, they are available in libraries and, if not, photocopies can be requested. The paper cited in my first entry, although just out, is available and can be obtained. There you would find detailed discussions of the questions asked in your first paragraph.
As for the Yogic Flying, it also has been written about in published papers. Again, they are only in the old style, paper publications, but they exist. Try visiting your library. If you do not immediately find them, ask the reference librarian for assistance.
I would like to be more helpful, but nothing I could cay in the few minutes available to me would be nearly as helpful as what is already contained in the published papers.
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Reason: More thoughts on my reply
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"Tatra (who has a PhD from a school that rivals Harvard in his particular field of study) thinks this suggests that TM - if it works - may be a means to fight symptoms rather than a cure. The best is still to understand a disease and its causes and then to generate a cure or take away the causes (rather then to fight the symptoms but let the disease run its course).
HighSea has been far nicer then I am and will be. Why is it that I get uneasy when people insist on flaunting their education, the institutes that are involved and lots of research to make a point. Survival of the fittest: if this approach were really any good it would have already been adopted on a large scale! "
Tatra: In response to your comments, I am not sure I understand the first point. Stress has been determined to be a major cause of most chronic diseases and many psychiatric diseases, not to mention substance abuse and violence. Reducing the effects of stress is, therefore, one important way of reducing the incidence of the disease, whether it be a physical illness or those stress-induced behaviors that lead to war.
As for the second point, do you really think the reason the world is so dependent on oil and coal for energy is that the alternatives do not work? If you do, you have been living in a different world than I. There is always a structure, whether it be belief or business based, that resists a new alternative, especially if the alternative is really good!
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I would think that getting the evidence published online would be a step forward for proponents of IDT.
Although I thought Dr. Walton did a fine job explaining why some published research is not available on-line, perhaps Highsea and other people visiting this DefenceTalk forum will find this posting to be of interest.
If you do not have time to visit a library to review research about Invincible Defense Technology (IDT) published by scientist's like Prof. John Davies, please see an 8-page article "One Percent for Peace: The Real War on Terror - An Interview with John Davies." This article is featured in the July 2005 issue of Yoga International (issue #84, pages 62-71) and is online on their website. The only error in the article that I am aware of is a 2004 date on John's recent publication in The Journal of Social Behavior and Personality. It should be 2005.
This article can be read online by going to the magazine's homepage:
Currently, it is the top story. It seems this publication does not store its archives, to be sure to visit the website soon. The Yoga International article is based on an interview with John Davies, Ph.D. Professor Davies is an internationally recognized expert in conflict management with the Center for International Development and Conflict Management at the University of Maryland. For more info about Prof. Davies visit:
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In relation to the last entry suggesting the online article, "One Percent for Peace: The Real War on Terror - An Interview with John Davies," found on the online Yoga International issue for June-July, I agree that this is a well-written and informative article any interested person should read. It answers many questions raised by those unfamiliar with this technology for reducing war and terrorism. Thanks for bringing this to our attention!
Dr. David Leffler, a coauthor of "Preventing Terrorism: Paving the Way to Peace With Invincible Defense Technology," was interviewed on Israel National Radio about how Invincible Defense Technology (IDT) could be used by the military of Israel to prevent terrorism, create peace in Iraq and end the nuclear standoff with Iran.
An edited version of the interview is now available on his personal website. If computers have audio capability anyone can listen to the 13 minute interview.
The audio link is on the "Worldwide" page, in the "Israel" section. It is called "Israel National Radio Interview with Dr. David Leffler...The Tovia Singer Show."
Yeah..........very impressive. I think a 12'th century wall helped the Israelis a lot more then this 29'th century techno-garble ever will. After reading this nonsense now you know why many of us roll our eyes and look at each other every time we have one of these "great-thinkers" address us. As for this guy.......
"""i havent read all the posts but i would just say that terrorism on big scale is something which is created by the west. Why US has been targetted on 9/11 even terrorist know that this country has the best defence on earth. Why?. There must be something which US had been done wrong in Past and continuing to that. 9/11 is not something happened ultimately. There were a whole chain of US faults...sorry blunders, which US was doing against Muslims. And 9/11 was the reaction. I dont want to go in details due to shortage of time(for me) but i know only one thing Solve Plestine,chechnia,and Kashmir Issue, have good relations with All muslim countries and you will see a world free of TERROR."""
I think the Muslim world is pretty much drenched in violence, ignorance, intolerance, tyrannical Dictators. All of their own making btw. Unfortunately we live in a world that makes auto-matic excuses for such people. For instance, "Im blowing up a bus in London full of civilians because Palestine doesn't have its own state". So much of the world community believes if the Palestinians had their own state none of this would happen.
And most Muslims are like this guy above, at the least supportive of terrorism. And they prefer to support terror against the US because if they do so against the tyrants leading them they might end up with 220 volts attached to their privates.
Maybe you should read other posts instead of living in the 12'th century. I lived in the Muslim world for 18 mos and saw with my own eyes the savage tribal methods they use to deal with each other. And you sit here and pout about "Americas treatment of Muslims"?
Regarding your words: "Lotsa luck getting [members of the Muslim community] to meditate."
Things have changed since 2005 when this editorial was first published in Defence Talk. You may be right. However, judging from these publications that have already published articles about Invincible Defense Technology, it seems that Muslims are becoming receptive to the concept:
