Delay to lifting of the EU China arms ban

Musashi_kenshin

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From the Times:

"Europe is reconsidering plans to lift its arms embargo on China in the light of America’s implacable opposition and a new Chinese threat against Taiwan. Several European Union member states have got “cold feetâ€, making it “significantly†more likely that the EU will eventually drop its controversial plan, senior diplomatic sources have told The Times. At the very least, the decision is likely to be postponed. “Taking our time rather than rushing may not be a bad idea,†one EU official said.

Last week a high-level EU delegation left Washington under no illusion that giving China access to European military equipment would infuriate the US. Congressional leaders have threatened to stop selling advanced military technologies to European allies if the embargo is lifted. On Sunday Condoleezza Rice, the US Secretary of State, bluntly told the EU not to meddle with the balance of power in Asia. “It is the US, not Europe, that has defended the Pacific,†she declared during a visit to China.

Britain, the Netherlands, the Czech Republic, Scandinavian countries and Luxembourg — which holds the EU’s rotating presidency — are among those having second thoughts. Greens in the ruling coalition in Germany are also uneasy with the proposal. A decision to lift the embargo must be agreed unanimously by all 25 EU member states. Jack Straw betrayed Britain’s unease on Sunday when he said that the unanimous approval by the Chinese Parliament last week of legislation authorising force if Taiwan formally declared independence had “created quite a difficult political environmentâ€.

US officials are aghast that the EU is contemplating transferring valuable weapons technology to China at precisely the moment that Beijing is indicating renewed hostile intent towards Taiwan. “The timing of the vote was a disaster for the Chinese,†a senior British official said. When the EU delegation visited Capitol Hill last week, it was told that China’s anti- secession law would give Europe a “fig leaf†that would enable it to retreat with honour intact. “They were certainly scribbling furiously when we made that point,†an American official said. France and Germany have led the fight to resume arms sales to China, provided that the sales comply with a new code of conduct designed to prevent China from acquir- ing particularly destabilising weapons. “The French missed an opportunity,†the British official said.

“If they had agreed to strengthen the code of conduct, they could have won agreement. Today it is going to be much harder to get support than a week ago.†Paris and Berlin had hoped that the embargo would be lifted by May. Officials say that the chances are now very slim. Thereafter, Britain assumes the EU’s rotating presidency for the second half of the year and it is unlikely that Tony Blair would champion lifting the arms embargo in the face of American opposition. Until now, the EU has argued that the embargo, agreed after the Tiananmen Square massacre of pro-democracy activists in Beijing in 1989, is outdated. Proponents contend that China’s new economic clout on the world stage should be respected and welcomed, rather than leaving it bracketed with Burma, Zimbabwe and Sudan, the only other countries with EU arms embargoes against them.

In the light of America’s threatened retaliation, some leading British defence companies have told the Government that they would not seek to sell arms to China in any case. The Times has learnt that QinetiQ, the Government’s secretive military-based research laboratories — formerly the Defence Evaluation Research Association — has told ministers that it would have nothing to do with selling military technology to China unless the British and US Governments gave explicit approval. BAE Systems said the same last month."


I think that this is great news. Although I would have preferred the EU to taken a moral stance over this issue, the fact that the lifting of the ban will be delayed at all is good to hear. China should spend more effort on dealing with its internal problems, than trying to purchase high-tech systems. Plus I disagree with the French that China has changed enough to deserve the lifting of the ban.
 

doggychow14

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Yes but in the next day the EU went back into reaffirming the lifting of the arms embargo. I can find a link if you want.
 

Raven_Wing278

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link: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2005/03/19/2003246861

AFP , BRUSSELS
Saturday, Mar 19, 2005,Page 1


"The sooner the better."

Javier Solana, EU foreign policy chief​

The EU reassured China on Thursday that it was pressing ahead with plans to lift a 15-year-old arms embargo on Beijing despite a storm sparked by its "Anti-Secession" Law targeting Taiwan.

EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana said the controversial law, which authorizes the use of force if Taipei moves towards independence, had caused "complicated atmospherics" around the debate over the EU arms ban.

But the EU plans remain on track, he said after discussion with Chinese Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing (李肇星) in Brussels.

Solana recalled that EU leaders agreed last December to work notably on beefing up an EU code of conduct, as preparation for lifting the embargo slapped on Beijing after the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre.

"We are working politically towards that end. We want that end to be a reality. We are working very hard ourselves on compromises that we have to find among ourselves," he told reporters.

"The sooner the better," Solana added.

Speaking after talks with the Chinese foreign minister, his Luxembourg counterpart Jean Asselborn late Thursday stressed that the EU's current Luxembourg presidency would do "its best" to secure the lifting of the embargo.

"We will do our best, as current president, to ensure that this takes place," Asselborn told a press conference in Luxembourg. "We will put all our energy into it."

Li for his part restated Beijing's view that the lifting of the embargo was in the interest of both sides.

"We believe the lifting of the arms embargo is in the interest of peoples from countries on both sides," Li said.

"We have full confidence the EU will work things out," he said.

The EU's Luxembourg presidency has set a target of agreement on lifting the ban by the end of its term at the EU helm in June.

But the Anti-Secession Law has clouded the issue.

Solana conceded that this had had a political impact. But he also said there were some "positive" elements in the Chinese law, and indicated it did not fundamentally change the EU's aim of lifting the embargo.

"The atmospherics ... may have been a little more complicated with some countries or some parliaments. We'll see how things evolve. But the political will continues to be ... to keep on working on achieving that aim." Those demanding an end to the arms ban -- a group spearheaded by French President Jacques Chirac -- argue that the EU ban is outdated given the political changes of the last decade and a half.



I still believe that the EU will be lifting the ban within this year after all China has had dramatic changes in its law
 
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gf0012-aust

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perhaps - but note date on this info.

E.U. Said to Keep Embargo on Arms to China
By STEVEN R. WEISMAN

Published: March 22, 2005


WASHINGTON, March 21 - Yielding to pressure from President Bush and threats of retaliation from Congress, the European Union has put off plans to lift its arms embargo on China this spring and may not press the issue until next year, American and European officials said Monday.

The officials said that in addition to American pressure, European nations have been shaken by the recent adoption of legislation by the Chinese National People's Congress authorizing the use of force to stop Taiwan from seceding. The Chinese action, they said, jolted France and undercut its moves to end the embargo before June.

"Europe wants to move forward on the embargo, but the recent actions by China have made things a lot more complex," said a senior European official. "The timeline has become more difficult. The timeline is going to have to slip."

The embargo was imposed after China's crackdown on pro-democracy demonstrators in Tiananmen Square in 1989, and although some countries have eased their restrictions, it has curbed the supply of weapons to China while also becoming a major irritant in China's relations with the West.

A senior State Department official said European "signals" of a shift in position had been transmitted in the last few days, most notably by Javier Solana, the European Union's foreign policy chief, and by a comment from the British foreign secretary, Jack Straw, over the weekend.

Mr. Straw said in a television interview in Britain on Sunday that the problems of lifting the embargo "have actually got more difficult rather than less difficult," and that the Chinese action on Taiwan had created "a difficult political environment" that had stirred concern by both conservatives and liberals in Europe.

In Beijing early Monday, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Mr. Straw's "sobering comments" reinforced the United States' continuing concern that lifting the embargo now would alter the balance of military forces in the region and undercut American efforts to get China to improve its human rights record.

Ms. Rice returned from Asia on Monday evening after several tough comments directed at China and, less directly, at Europeans. With tensions building in the Taiwan Strait, she said, and China seeking advanced technology for its navy, the sale of European equipment would jeopardize American efforts to secure the area.

"After all, it is American forces here in the Pacific that have played the role of security guarantor," Ms. Rice said.

European officials say the European Union will not back off its commitment, made last December and pressed by President Jacques Chirac of France, to lift the embargo at some point, but that doing so now would not be worth jeopardizing relations with the United States.

American and European officials said internal European politics had played a role in the timing of the planned easing of restrictions: Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain was willing to go along with the move, but he did not want it to occur while he serves as president of the European Union.

The presidency alternates among the union's 25 members every six months. Mr. Blair, who takes over at the end of June, could not be seen as defying American wishes on such a critical issue, those officials said. Some European and American officials said action on the embargo would probably wait until next year, after he has stepped down.

In the past few weeks, Europeans have pressed their case for lifting the embargo with the administration and with Congress, arguing that the rules covered lethal weapons but not the high-tech equipment that the United States worries about, like equipment that could help China with its command and control systems and tracking submarines and ships.

A top European envoy, Annalisa Giannella, was sent by Mr. Solana to Washington last week to make the case that Europe would expand a "code of conduct" restricting such equipment and set up a regime that would be effectively tighter than the current one. But Ms. Giannella was said to have persuaded no one, especially in Congress.

Indeed, administration and European officials say that Europeans have been taken aback by the ferocity of Congressional opposition to lifting the embargo, led by such Republican heavyweights as Senators Ted Stevens of Alaska and John McCain of Arizona.

Mr. Bush and his top aides have been increasingly vocal over the last couple of months in their demands that the arms embargo not be lifted. In addition, President Bush was reported by administration officials to have told the Europeans in Februrary that even if he went along with lifting the embargo, Congress would not. Congress has been alarmed by Chinese military expansion since the 1990's, when it opposed moves by President Clinton to expand military sales to the Chinese.

After Ms. Giannella's visit, Congressional leaders reiterated their opposition to lifting the embargo, in some cases threatening retaliation by blocking purchases of European military equipment for American forces.

The senior State Department official noted that Ms. Giannella "said she was here on a listening mode" and was "pummeled" on Capitol Hill. "The alarm bells tipped off Brussels that this wasn't going to work," he said, referring to the headquarters of the European Union.

President Chirac first proposed lifting the embargo in late 2003, arguing that it was obsolete. European diplomats say that France is not so much interested in selling arms to China as using the possibility of such sales as a way to sell commercial equipment, from Airbus planes to computers.

The European Union cannot take any action without a consensus. Mr. Bush and Ms. Rice have impressed enough European leaders with their stance that consensus to move on the embargo is now unlikely.

"You won't see a backing away from the commitment," said a European official. "But there's no consensus to act right now."


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/22/politics/22diplo.html?ex=1112158800&en=ce63e27243b0f36c&ei=5070

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This is a way off from being a surety yet.
 

Musashi_kenshin

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Raven_Wing278 said:
I still believe that the EU will be lifting the ban within this year after all China has had dramatic changes in its law and that it is now a democratic country
The ban may well be lifted this year, but possibly not as early as the EU & China said it would/hoped it would be. They'll probably have to bash out a better code of conduct first.

China a democratic country? What the hell are you on about? There are no national elections. No alternative parties. It's the CCP and nothing else.
 

Musashi_kenshin

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Can anyone tell me SPECIFICALLY what weapon systems, etc the EU currents doesn't sell to China, but which it would like to have? I've heard stuff about "command and control systems", "missiles", etc. But does anyone know exactly what China would want to buy?
 

doggychow14

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Can anyone tell me SPECIFICALLY what weapon systems, etc the EU currents doesn't sell to China, but which it would like to have? I've heard stuff about "command and control systems", "missiles", etc. But does anyone know exactly what China would want to buy?
China would not buy entire weapon systems but rather subsystems such as radar, avionics, diesel engines,etc.
 

Musashi_kenshin

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doggychow14 said:
China would not buy entire weapon systems but rather subsystems such as radar, avionics, diesel engines,etc.
Yeah, but China can already get a lot of that stuff. Does anyone know specific models, etc that China would want?
 
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