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Old September 2nd, 2008   #1
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The main Russian surface fleet project for the next decade will be Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov.

Specifications
4500t
4000nm range @ 16kt
29kt top speed
30 day endurance
crew of 210

Armament
2*8 Yakhont
4*8 9M96 missiles (The is 9M96 one of the missiles the S-400 system uses.)
2*4 Medvedka 2 VLS ASW
2 Sosna CIAD
130mm A-192

Command and Control
Redut AA Suite

Sensors
Poliment K-Radar
Puma Fire Control Radar

The VLS Shtil-1 will be offered to export customers only. There's no concrete information about the command and control and sensors of Admiral Gorshkov.

The Russians want to procure 20 Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov frigates.

If the Russians can fit the 32 9M96 missiles on the frigates,the frigates would be an excellent uses of the Russian Navy's limited resources. The Gorshkov frigates would be AAW/ASW frigates, and they could replace a wide range of vessels.

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A kirov replacement design, and a Kuznetsov replacement. Remove the heavy antiship missiles and other space wasting equipment from the carrier replacement. Make the Kirov replacement have either conventional or nuclear propulsion, not both (steam + nuc)
I don't think the Russians have the budget for new carriers and Kirov replacements. The better use of the resources would be replacements for the Slavas.

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More on Project 22350-
http://www.warfare.ru/?catid=270&linkid=2544

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ssia/22350.htm

Project 22350 FFG

IMHO, they could be good escorts to bigger ships, including CV/Ns!

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The main Russian surface fleet project for the next decade will be Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov.

Specifications
4500t
4000nm range @ 16kt
29kt top speed
30 day endurance
crew of 210

Armament
2*8 Yakhont
4*8 9M96 missiles (The is 9M96 one of the missiles the S-400 system uses.)
2*4 Medvedka 2 VLS ASW
2 Sosna CIAD
130mm A-192

Command and Control
Redut AA Suite

Sensors
Poliment K-Radar
Puma Fire Control Radar

The VLS Shtil-1 will be offered to export customers only. There's no concrete information about the command and control and sensors of Admiral Gorshkov.

The Russians want to procure 20 Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov frigates.

If the Russians can fit the 32 9M96 missiles on the frigates,the frigates would be an excellent uses of the Russian Navy's limited resources. The Gorshkov frigates would be AAW/ASW frigates, and they could replace a wide range of vessels.



I don't think the Russians have the budget for new carriers and Kirov replacements. The better use of the resources would be replacements for the Slavas.
I really doubt it will carry 16 Onyx (let's use this, since Yakhont is a downgraded version), most sources indicate 8.
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Most of the russian sources and the most accurate drawings of the class gives 16 Onixs, like this one for examble:

http://paralay.com/22350/3503.jpg
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Does anybody have details about the modernizations of these to ships?

Ochakov (Kara Class Cruiser)

Vice Admiral Kulakov (Second Udaloy Class Destroyer)
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This article- http://www.nr2.ru/crimea/183017.html- says: "The life-extension work, which is 3 years behind schedule, will keep it in service for 15-20 more years. ..After the overhaul is complete, the ship may become the flagship of the BSF, replacing Moskva." No specifics are given, but "the ship will be able to perform in any area of the World Ocean".
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The Vitse-Admiral Kulakov has been in refit since 1992, and had not returned to service as of mid-2008. The Marshal Vasil'yevsky had been expected by some observers to decommission as early as 2004 or 2005, but by mid 2008 this unit remained in service. It may be that Vitse-Admiral Kulakov will conclude refit and resume active service when Marshal Vasil'yevsky is finally retired. http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...sia/1155_1.htm
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Apparently, the Russian navy will procure 4 new A-42 amphibious planes by 2013. They are the SAR version of the A-40.

The A-42 will besome the Russian Navy's main reconnaissance and ASW aircraft after 2015, and they would replace the Russians fleet of Be-12 Mail and Il-38 May maritime patrol aircraft.

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Russia will have a contest for a new carrier-based fighter in 2010 with deliveries for 2016. And the Kuznetsov will remain in service until 2025. The article claims that the decision for the construction of new aircraft carriers has already been made and it's just a matter of time.

http://rian.ru/defense_safety/20080906/151028739.html
http://rian.ru/defense_safety/20080906/151029272.html
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Does that mean that there will be a new fighter design from su/mig/yak competing for the project? or just upgrades of the current planes for the future AC?

Also a typhoon been upgraded to carry the Bulava.

http://rusnavy.com/news/newsofday/in...LEMENT_ID=5729

I believe the Navy plans to upgrade the remaining 2 Typhoons to carry the bulava and complement the Borei's.
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Most of the russian sources and the most accurate drawings of the class gives 16 Onixs, like this one for examble:

http://paralay.com/22350/3503.jpg
are you sure that's for Onyx? I mean I don't know what those ASW missile launchers look like.
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Nevidimka one Typhoon is a test bed for the Bulava. If the missile is successful but the Deltas have to go early, then the testbed, along with two other boats, may be reconfigured to carry the Bulava. However from the looks of it the Bulava is not even ready for a flight test at the moment, while the first Borei (YD) is due to begin sea trials. At this rate there will be plenty of Borei's before there are enough Bulava's to go around.
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Nevidimka one Typhoon is a test bed for the Bulava. If the missile is successful but the Deltas have to go early, then the testbed, along with two other boats, may be reconfigured to carry the Bulava. However from the looks of it the Bulava is not even ready for a flight test at the moment, while the first Borei (YD) is due to begin sea trials. At this rate there will be plenty of Borei's before there are enough Bulava's to go around.

What seems to be the problem of the Bulava? The Land version Topol is a highly successful missile.

if the test bed is successful, the Navy might upgrade the other 2 typhoons to carry the Bulava as well. I believe upgrading what they have right now is cheaper than building newer Borei's. I with the funds available now, the emphasis seems to be on maintaining whatever capable weapon system that they have and complement with newer design's if they are available. The Kirov class seems to follow this ideal.
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I have no idea what it's problems are but this is an excellent site in terms of Russian nuclear and space affairs. Bulava has not made nearly enough successful tests to be accepted into service.

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One thing i have noticed looking at the armament of the russian navy ships is that the only ships capable of Area air defense seem to be the Slava and Kirov class cruisers with the S-300/S-400 system, all the other ship classes seem to be equiped with at the maximum, local area air defense systems.

So, i would suggest that these ships will remain in service, with as many others returned to service as possible, until the Russian Navy can afford to replace them with another platform with similar capabilities.
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They're the center pieces for the IADS of the VMF. This is why I'm strongly in favor of seeing a further development of the Kirov class.
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