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Old April 27th, 2017   #1141
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A Russian Intel ship, Liman, has sunk after colliding with a rpfreighter near Istanbul. Turkish CG picked up all 78 survivors


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One would have thought that an intelligence collection ship would have better situational awareness . . .
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One would have thought that an intelligence collection ship would have better situational awareness . . .
That spot is one of the busiest shipping passages in the world, with shallow waters.
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A Russian Intel ship, Liman, has sunk after colliding with a rpfreighter near Istanbul. Turkish CG picked up all 78 survivors


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I tried to be good and not raise this but in the end couldn't help myself; especially since there was no loss of life.

Sounds like the plot of an old James Bond movie.

Scuba diver battles ahead maybe? (yes, I know I'm mixing up movies here).
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One would have thought that an intelligence collection ship would have better situational awareness . . .
Intelligence collection ship is a rather grandiose name for a less then impressive civilian vessel adapted for military use and kitted out with ancient ELINT gear. Ship accidents happen, unfortunately.
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That spot is one of the busiest shipping passages in the world, with shallow waters.
I know, I know. My wife & I've stood by the ruined hilltop castle on the Asian side of the northern entrance to the Bosphorus, on a clear day (good view of all the ships), then dined in one of the many fish restaurants down by the Bosphorus, having got there by ferry from Eminonu, passing a steady stream of freighters of all kinds on the way.
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I know, I know. My wife & I've stood by the ruined hilltop castle on the Asian side of the northern entrance to the Bosphorus, on a clear day (good view of all the ships), then dined in one of the many fish restaurants down by the Bosphorus, having got there by ferry from Eminonu, passing a steady stream of freighters of all kinds on the way.
Similarly - I have watched from Eminonu as volumes of ferries criss-cross the Bosphorus at right angles to the traffic to and from the Black Sea.
I thought to myself at the time - "how do accidents not happen here?"
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The main Russian surface fleet project for the next decade will be Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov.

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crew of 210

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The VLS Shtil-1 will be offered to export customers only. There's no concrete information about the command and control and sensors of Admiral Gorshkov.

The Russians want to procure 20 Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov frigates.

If the Russians can fit the 32 9M96 missiles on the frigates,the frigates would be an excellent uses of the Russian Navy's limited resources. The Gorshkov frigates would be AAW/ASW frigates, and they could replace a wide range of vessels.



I don't think the Russians have the budget for new carriers and Kirov replacements. The better use of the resources would be replacements for the Slavas.
The Russian Navy is really wasting their money by trying to build massive ships to compete with the US because in the end the US can build bigger and better ships at a larger quantity.
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The Russian Navy is really wasting their money by trying to build massive ships to compete with the US because in the end the US can build bigger and better ships at a larger quantity.
It's not massive at all. It's a regular modern frigate. Granted the 16 UKSK slots are impressive, many of their counter-parts just carry 2X4 launchers for AShMs but otherwise this ship is unremarkable and in no ways competes with the US. If anything it's a downsizing, with frigates replacing destroyers as the basis of Russia's blue water capabilities (something that was officially mentioned in a recent speech).
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A Lavina class LHD will be built by 2022.

Застрявшие «Буревестники» вернут в серию | Статьи | Известия |

A. Rakhmanov, the director Yantar says no planned Russian Navy, Project 11356 frigates will be sold to India.
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A Lavina class LHD will be built by 2022.

—ас‚€явˆие «‘ƒ€евес‚ники» ве€нƒ‚ в се€иŽ | С‚а‚Œи | ˜звес‚ия |

A. Rakhmanov, the director Yantar says no planned Russian Navy, Project 11356 frigates will be sold to India.
2024. With a second by allegedly 2027.

https://lenta.ru/news/2017/05/31/udk/

And the second 3 11356s are planned for the 2025 GPV. Also the first 22800 will allegedly be handed over by end of year.

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Some more updates, the 22800s are coming along at a rapid pace with the first allegedly to be handed over by the end of the year. I think this is unlikely, but the ship will likely be completed and possibly starting trials before end of year. You can see the second ship of the type in the background.

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/94873/
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The first 20385 is also nearing completion. They're currently going to the northern fleet. It's interesting that the Baltic Fleet 20380s have yet to go to the Mediterranean despite much smaller 21631s making the trip from the Black Sea all the way to the Baltic. So there are some questions about the type.

nortwolf-sam: Корвет Гремящий переведен из эллинга на открытый стапель
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The first 20385 is also nearing completion. They're currently going to the northern fleet. It's interesting that the Baltic Fleet 20380s have yet to go to the Mediterranean despite much smaller 21631s making the trip from the Black Sea all the way to the Baltic. So there are some questions about the type.

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Didnt they go recently?

https://news.usni.org/2017/04/10/rus...mahawk-strikes
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They turned around after going a significant chunk of the way.
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Military expert: aircraft carriers - "expensive thing", but Russia needs them- after the refit, Adm.K may change its home port to Sevastopol. No need to transit the English Channel & Gibraltar. The weather is a lot better in the Black Sea to allow more training. They may also send it to the Indian Ocean.

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