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A Russian Intel ship, Liman, has sunk after colliding with a rpfreighter near Istanbul. Turkish CG picked up all 78 survivors


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One would have thought that an intelligence collection ship would have better situational awareness . . .
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One would have thought that an intelligence collection ship would have better situational awareness . . .
That spot is one of the busiest shipping passages in the world, with shallow waters.
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A Russian Intel ship, Liman, has sunk after colliding with a rpfreighter near Istanbul. Turkish CG picked up all 78 survivors


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I tried to be good and not raise this but in the end couldn't help myself; especially since there was no loss of life.

Sounds like the plot of an old James Bond movie.

Scuba diver battles ahead maybe? (yes, I know I'm mixing up movies here).
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One would have thought that an intelligence collection ship would have better situational awareness . . .
Intelligence collection ship is a rather grandiose name for a less then impressive civilian vessel adapted for military use and kitted out with ancient ELINT gear. Ship accidents happen, unfortunately.
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That spot is one of the busiest shipping passages in the world, with shallow waters.
I know, I know. My wife & I've stood by the ruined hilltop castle on the Asian side of the northern entrance to the Bosphorus, on a clear day (good view of all the ships), then dined in one of the many fish restaurants down by the Bosphorus, having got there by ferry from Eminonu, passing a steady stream of freighters of all kinds on the way.
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I know, I know. My wife & I've stood by the ruined hilltop castle on the Asian side of the northern entrance to the Bosphorus, on a clear day (good view of all the ships), then dined in one of the many fish restaurants down by the Bosphorus, having got there by ferry from Eminonu, passing a steady stream of freighters of all kinds on the way.
Similarly - I have watched from Eminonu as volumes of ferries criss-cross the Bosphorus at right angles to the traffic to and from the Black Sea.
I thought to myself at the time - "how do accidents not happen here?"
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The main Russian surface fleet project for the next decade will be Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov.

Specifications
4500t
4000nm range @ 16kt
29kt top speed
30 day endurance
crew of 210

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2*8 Yakhont
4*8 9M96 missiles (The is 9M96 one of the missiles the S-400 system uses.)
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The VLS Shtil-1 will be offered to export customers only. There's no concrete information about the command and control and sensors of Admiral Gorshkov.

The Russians want to procure 20 Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov frigates.

If the Russians can fit the 32 9M96 missiles on the frigates,the frigates would be an excellent uses of the Russian Navy's limited resources. The Gorshkov frigates would be AAW/ASW frigates, and they could replace a wide range of vessels.



I don't think the Russians have the budget for new carriers and Kirov replacements. The better use of the resources would be replacements for the Slavas.
The Russian Navy is really wasting their money by trying to build massive ships to compete with the US because in the end the US can build bigger and better ships at a larger quantity.
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The Russian Navy is really wasting their money by trying to build massive ships to compete with the US because in the end the US can build bigger and better ships at a larger quantity.
It's not massive at all. It's a regular modern frigate. Granted the 16 UKSK slots are impressive, many of their counter-parts just carry 2X4 launchers for AShMs but otherwise this ship is unremarkable and in no ways competes with the US. If anything it's a downsizing, with frigates replacing destroyers as the basis of Russia's blue water capabilities (something that was officially mentioned in a recent speech).
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