This is a discussion on RSN capabilities within the Navy & Maritime forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by aussienscale
Agree, Singapore are in a very unique position, look at a map and see where they ...
Agree, Singapore are in a very unique position, look at a map and see where they are located !! Also to throw into the requirement have a good look at the Malaca Strait !! Busiest sea straight of the world, ad into that the pirates in the area (makes the somali's look like amateurs) and you have a very heavy requirement for self defence, piracy and SLOC senarios
Dear Weasel,
Your input make logical sense but why cant they procured new platform such as G550 or
Global HAWK?
The IAI brochure bears similar resemblance to Fokker 50 MPA......
Your input make logical sense but why cant they procured new platform such as G550 or
Global HAWK?
The IAI brochure bears similar resemblance to Fokker 50 MPA......
ARen't the RSN keen to procure S100 VTOL uav ?
Possible but a lot of US surveillance platforms are designed for open ocean rather than littorals. Also price of global hawk has been deterring quite a fair bit of potential users. RSN/RSAF are keen on a lot of UAVs so I'd wait until they actually induct one to analyse.
The Fokkers are still useful. That's why officially at least, the word is that no one is intending to replace them (and there is a SLEP out there).... yet.
Possible but a lot of US surveillance platforms are designed for open ocean rather than littorals. Also price of global hawk has been deterring quite a fair bit of potential users. RSN/RSAF are keen on a lot of UAVs so I'd wait until they actually induct one to analyse.
The Fokkers are still useful. That's why officially at least, the word is that no one is intending to replace them (and there is a SLEP out there).... yet.
I remembered what Teo Chee Hean(the minister of defence) said is that they are looking at a couple of options in regards to the replacement of the Fokkers, including possible upgrades. There is indeed room for upgrades.
I am interested in a maritime MPA version of the G550. There ought to be room enough for the same systems currently on board the Fokker 50s. But can the G550 carry more weapons? Seeing as such that the region is getting inundated with more and more submersibles and surface vessels, it could be a critical pre-requisite forcing the RSN to look at even bigger platforms.
I remembered what Teo Chee Hean(the minister of defence) said is that they are looking at a couple of options in regards to the replacement of the Fokkers, including possible upgrades. There is indeed room for upgrades.
I am interested in a maritime MPA version of the G550. There ought to be room enough for the same systems currently on board the Fokker 50s. But can the G550 carry more weapons? Seeing as such that the region is getting inundated with more and more submersibles and surface vessels, it could be a critical pre-requisite forcing the RSN to look at even bigger platforms.
I think UAVs are intended to be sensors and to send the data for processing elsewhere. That way, the UAV gets shot down = fairly cheap. Can afford more sensors/UAVs and due to less weight, each UAV gets more endurance. One of the biggest hurdles I would guess is sensor to processor range which might not be as big a hurdle for SG as the operational range isn't that great.
If an operator can control multiple UAVs (including on remote), then essentially the coverage would be expanded significantly.
I'm reading RSAF P-3C interest and now there's the ARTR upgrade for P-3Cs. BAMS as we know are designed to work with P-8s so I'm wondering is that where RSN is headed? On the other hand, the large expense esp associated with BAMS and P-8 would not be consistent with RSN practice to date. A lot of the anti-sub capabilities are based on sonobuoys and the RSN did not ascribe to a sonobuoy capability with its S-70s. I would have tot that would make sense to have if the RSAF/RSN was leaning towards P-3s.
I would expect the RSN to get price competitive quotes for its acquisitions so maybe the P-3s are intended as a cost-comparison for maybe a platform like the G-550 (but a manned version) or a Fokker upgrade. I could be wrong but I still think its still early to replace the Fokkers.
Quotation from Singapore's Defence Minister 2011 budget speech:
Quote:
Many of our acquisitions replace ageing 2nd Generation SAF systems that have served us well over the last 20 to 30 years. The Air Force will take delivery of the Heron 1 UAV in 2011 to replace the Searcher-class UAV that has been in service since the 1990s. The Heron 1's longer flight endurance and better surveillance capabilities will provide the SAF with superior battlefield situational awareness. The Air Force will also replace our 30-year old RAPIER air defence system with the new SPYDER-SR ground-based air defence system which can more effectively deal with the wider spectrum of current and future aerial threats. The Navy will begin designing a new class of vessels to replace our 2nd Generation Fearless-class patrol vessels. These patrol vessels have been in service since the 1990s and will be more than 20 years old by the time we replace them.
Hence, Singapore will be building new ships. I think they will be in the 1000-2000 ton class range. The trend over the years is that the RSN has been building bigger ships but with increased automation resulting in reduced manpower. The <450 ton Seawolf missile gun boats for instance were replaced by the 3200 ton Formidable frigates.
Quotation from Singapore's Defence Minister 2011 budget speech:
Hence, Singapore will be building new ships. I think they will be in the 1000-2000 ton class range. The trend over the years is that the RSN has been building bigger ships but with increased automation resulting in reduced manpower. The <450 ton Seawolf missile gun boats for instance were replaced by the 3200 ton Formidable frigates.
Thanks for your input RED.
I do agree with you that the 11 PV will be replace by 12 stealth OPV which was displayed during Euronaval.
There is also news that the RSN will be selling two of her Endurance 140 LPD and procure Endurance 160 HLD which is rumoured to have the capability to support the RSAF future jet procurement F-35 jets.
I'm still curious about the MCV? Will they be replaced with extended version of Formidable stealth FFG?
I read an article from SPACE wars quite sometime back that the RSN is building a blue water capability.
With Vietnam recent acquisition of 6 KILO class submarines, more S70B will be procured and analyst are expecting the RSN to procure 4 Type A26 submarine from Sweden to complement the 2 Archer class.
I do agree with you that the 11 PV will be replace by 12 stealth OPV which was displayed during Euronaval.
There is also news that the RSN will be selling two of her Endurance 140 LPD and procure Endurance 160 HLD which is rumoured to have the capability to support the RSAF future jet procurement F-35 jets.
I'm still curious about the MCV? Will they be replaced with extended version of Formidable stealth FFG?
I read an article from SPACE wars quite sometime back that the RSN is building a blue water capability.
With Vietnam recent acquisition of 6 KILO class submarines, more S70B will be procured and analyst are expecting the RSN to procure 4 Type A26 submarine from Sweden to complement the 2 Archer class.
Any comments?
Any update on the RSAF procurement plan for P-3C Orion MPA?
What about plans to buy more S-70B and Fearless class PV?
Our neighbour procured Gowind class LCS.
Are our navy procuring 12 X 80 meters stealth OPV as replacement plus another 6 improved Formidable FFG to replace MCV in the next 5-10 years?
What about the rumoured 2 X Endurance 160 LHD with strengthened deck to support the RSAF future procurement of F-35 VTOL? & the plan selling off of 2 of Endurance 140 LPD to Chilean Navy?
Any comments gentlemen?
i havnt heard about any of those before, do you have any links?
Pure specualtion atm but there is some basis for it.
It was reported from Janes that Chile is looking for 2 2nd hand LPDs, French, Italian and Singapore navies are all offering their current LPD to Chile.
So SG milnuts started to put 2 to 2 together and come up with the speculation.
Chile was originally looking for a new ship or ships, & had solicited offers, e.g. from Damen Schelde. IIRC the Chileans only started looking at second hand LPDs when an inspection showed their old ex-USN LST needed more work to keep it operational than they thought worth paying for (sound familiar?), & was therefore retired suddenly, at about the same time as France, the UK & Italy decided to put used LSDs/LPDs with years of life left in them on the market.
Chile was originally looking for a new ship or ships, & had solicited offers, e.g. from Damen Schelde. IIRC the Chileans only started looking at second hand LPDs when an inspection showed their old ex-USN LST needed more work to keep it operational than they thought worth paying for (sound familiar?), & was therefore retired suddenly, at about the same time as France, the UK & Italy decided to put used LSDs/LPDs with years of life left in them on the market.
IAI to adapt G550 for maritime surveillance role
By Arie Egozi
Israel Aerospace Industries is offering a modified version of its Gulfstream G550-based conformal airborne early warning (CAEW) aircraft that has the capability to detect targets at sea and near shores.
The new version will retain the CAEW system's original airborne early warning capabilities, the company says.
"The need of many countries is to get a full picture of their sea border zone and integrate it into one big potential threat picture," says an IAI source.
Currently used by the air forces of Israel and Singapore, the AEW-adapted G550 business jet carries a conformal dual-band active electronically scanned array radar. It also features an identification friend or foe system, electronic support measures and an integrated self-protection system, plus communications equipment designed to support network-centric operations.
Wouldn't the G550 a better choice to replace RSN Fokker 50 MPA as they provide better commonality of aircraft/spare parts/engines and systems with RSAF 4 G550 CAEW? Any comments?
Any updates on Fearless PV replacement and MCV upgrades?
IAI to adapt G550 for maritime surveillance role
By Arie Egozi
Israel Aerospace Industries is offering a modified version of its Gulfstream G550-based conformal airborne early warning (CAEW) aircraft that has the capability to detect targets at sea and near shores.
The new version will retain the CAEW system's original airborne early warning capabilities, the company says.
"The need of many countries is to get a full picture of their sea border zone and integrate it into one big potential threat picture," says an IAI source.
Currently used by the air forces of Israel and Singapore, the AEW-adapted G550 business jet carries a conformal dual-band active electronically scanned array radar. It also features an identification friend or foe system, electronic support measures and an integrated self-protection system, plus communications equipment designed to support network-centric operations.
Wouldn't the G550 a better choice to replace RSN Fokker 50 MPA as they provide better commonality of aircraft/spare parts/engines and systems with RSAF 4 G550 CAEW? Any comments?
Any updates on Fearless PV replacement and MCV upgrades?
Singapore to release RFI/RFP for new generation multi purpose stealth capability 75 meters corvetted to replace Fearless class PV.
If the NG MPS MCV are replacing the Fearless PV, I'm anticipating that a larger version of our Formidable class FFG will be replacing Victory MCV in the very near future.
Are there any update on the progress of Bedok class MCMV upgrade project?
What about procuring more MM S-70B or participating in the development of new generation Swedish design SSK, the A26?
Will the RSN procure the Endurance 160 LHD?
I'm hoping for some updates.
