This is a discussion on The Royal Navy Discussions and Updates within the Navy & Maritime forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by RobWilliams
AFAIK while there were rumours for a pallatised FLAADS setup, now it's very different. Imagine how ...
AFAIK while there were rumours for a pallatised FLAADS setup, now it's very different. Imagine how a MLRS sets up except the missile container is facing backwards when lowered. I've attached some pictures of it mounted on a HX60 truck. That being said, the actual 'packs' of missiles seem very compact.
In a RN context, the HX60 truck apparently weighs ~7 tonnes when empty. For a Chinook to be able to lift it ashore the whole CAMM setup + fuelled up etc would need to be < 3 tonnes. Otherwise it'd have to be brought ashore in a LCU Mk10. Losing the air portability of the Rapier system, but for a more combat effective and transportable system
So so, ASTOR doesn't have any anti surface capability. Nor does it have any anti aircraft ability - but Aster does.
22 Hours Ago 10:38 PM kev99
Seawolf and ASTER don't, I read somewhere that CAMM will have an anti surface capability but it was an old document and the capability might have been dropped.
Correction only 22 hours behind, keep up the good work
BRITAIN’S nuclear fleet has *suffered a setback after a sub*marine was docked for *emergency repairs following a *radiation leak.
HMS Tireless could be in dry dock for up to 10 months.
This has reduced our hunter-killer fleet to five subs instead of the recommended seven plus a spare needed to carry out vital duties, including protecting the UK’s Trident missile-carrying Vanguard submarines.
Of those five, HMS Astute, a new £1.2billion attack sub, is not fully operational and at least one other is undergoing maintenance.
Tireless, a 4,800-ton Trafalgar class submarine, was taking part in a training exercise for new officers off the west of Scotland 10 days ago when the leak was detected.
Navy chiefs ordered it back to the Royal Naval submarine base at Faslane on the Clyde.
Last week it arrived for repairs at the dry dock in Devonport Naval Base, *Plymouth. The incident comes just weeks after the ballistic nuclear-*powered sub*marine HMS Vigilant was stranded in the US after its *rudder broke during a deployment after a £350million mid-life refit.
Launched in 1984 “HMS Tired”, as she has been dubbed, was due to be decommissioned from the fleet this year but her service was extended for another four years due to the delay in the rollout of the new Astute class submarines.
Andy Smith, of the UK National Defence Association, said: “This illustrates the folly of trying to have defence on the cheap.”
A Royal Navy spokesman said: “HMS Tireless returned to Devonport Naval Base last week for repair following a small coolant leak that was contained within the sealed reactor compartment. There is no risk to the public, the *environment or the crew.”
So right now our current active SSN fleet consists of HMS Talent, HMS Trenchant & HMS Triumph (Tireless out & Torbay in refit) . 3 T-boats, Astute will be down to become operational in a matter of weeks however.
It was painful reading the comments on that picture, people complaining that it falls under OPSEC and as such that facebook group should take it down ASAP as it compromises our submarine fleet because it's obviously "top secret" . . . .
A submarine on the surface, out in the open, visible from publicly accessible land, & morons start screaming OPSEC! when a photograph is taken & published.
Fabulous - OPSEC my @rse - the same sub was photographed with Chalfont attached and the image appeared on a BBC report.
Nice to see the usual misinformed comments about nuclear weapons being deemed too dangerous to be kept on English soil (guys, honestly, we've way more warheads south of the border than you do north of it!)
BAE Systems Plc (BA/) and the British government are in talks to adjust warship manufacturing to avoid disruptions from reducing levels of work, according to Bernard Gray, the U.K.’s chief of defense material.
The timing of the shipbuilding already included in the government’s equipment plan could be adjusted, Gray said yesterday at the International Institute of Strategic Studies in London. “Our aim, of course, is not to form some gap where nothing happens but to have a successful transition,” he said.
BAE, which consolidated U.K. warship building capacity in 2009, lacks work to sustain
three shipyards in England and Scotland and is considering closures to adapt to demand. After completion of two Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers due to start coming into service in 2018, activity will dip before the building of Type 26 frigates commences. Several thousand engineering jobs are at stake, according to the Unite union.
Would be interesting to see it happen but it couldn't get shunted along too far, IIRC the plan would be to start cutting steel in 2016 if the planned ISD of the first ship is 2021.
I'd much prefer to have read a couple of OPV's to fill the gap though.
Horribly, it's actually cheaper to pay BAE something to do nothing than build something we would have to sustain but which we have no use for.
I'm curious as to what they'll do with this all as there's an answer on record regarding there being no plans to buy more Rivers.
The trouble with paying them to do nothing is the deterioration of the skills base while they are doing nothing. That is one of the reasons new projects cost so much to start with, the skills needs to be rebuilt.
Horribly, it's actually cheaper to pay BAE something to do nothing than build something we would have to sustain but which we have no use for.
I'm curious as to what they'll do with this all as there's an answer on record regarding there being no plans to buy more Rivers.
It probably fits in better with the RN's plans with regards to manning them but by speeding up Type 26 production we'll be speeding up the Type 23's exit.
Could make fitting Artisan/CAMM to the Type 23's a bit more tricky if they shift the plan along by 2 years. At least, I'd have to be 2 years as I think work on the carriers runs out for the QEC for Portsmouth in 2014 I think.
