Methods of making an aircraft stealth

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Oqaab

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As far as I know there are two methods of making an aircraft stealth. And they are as follows,

1. When the radar rays strike the aircraft, they return back to the radar and give the information about the aircraft. To avoid the rays going back to radar, the surface of an aircraft is made irregular so that the rays get scattered and cant go back. The F-117 nighthawk uses this method.

2. Carbon (mostly) or ferrite composite materials are used over the surface of aircraft to absorb radar rays. The radar absorbing paint also helps (to some extent) in absorbing rays. This give a low RCS. Current fighters like Eurofighter and F/A-22 Raptor uses this method.

If anybody knows some more, then plzzz share. And correct me if I m wrong.

Need sencible replies.
Thanx. :)
 

suleman

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Its all the game of electro magnetic signals.All signaling and radrs are working with electromagnetic signals and waves.
Now basically radars are of two types
1)Active radars (they work in ommiting radioactive rays and then catch the reflected waves and then find cordinates and exact positioning of aircraft)

2)Pasive radars (they basically dont ommit radioactive signals but are very sensitive and capable to catching any radiactive signals from very low to very high frequencies).

Now its upto u to make such technology or metal which is invisible for these electromagnetic waves.
For this first is that we find such material which absorbs these electromagnetic waves.Actually they do not absorb electromagnetic waves what they do is that they dont reflect back these rays.As magnet gets attached to metal but if u bring it close to plastic then it wont work.Similar is the case with electromagnetic waves.They can not pass through metals,and reflected back and from their angle of reflection we can find the position of aircraft w.r.t X and Y axis.

Now we can make such metal or material or paint which does not reflect such rays,but radar makers are also clevaer and find alternatives.Certainly a fighter is in contact with its base or settelite etc and its self use signals for its own radars and communication so we can trace those signals and find the position of source which is ommiting such radiation.This cud we find on the principle that more u go nearer to the source more strong signals to recieve.The point where this signal frequency is MAX is position of that aircraft or missile.Passive radars plays an important role in this.
I hope this will clear some of ur points i tried to tell it in as simple words as i can to help oters understand.
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gf0012-aust

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Stealth design issues:

This depends on tasking requirements, but if we assume that the aircraft is going to go in harms way and is designed to shoot and scoot priority targets as opposed to targets of opportunity, then we can consider the following:

Electronic emission issues:
Eliminate active radar and use Low Probability Intercept (LPI) in onboard signal and sensor use. YThis generally entails the use of spread-spectrum, burst-mode or highly modulated signals with a substantially reduced peak power level. Transmission times involve detection characteristics that resemble electronic background noise in transit to the target. Any radar system would employ reduced sidelobe emissions to reduce the chances of detection during active stages.

Thermal signature issues:

Elements such as the leading edges of the wings, which become heated by air friction in flight, can be internally cooled by pumping fuel or hydraulic fluid around and through them.

Engines intakes and exhausts to be mounted above the wings, out of "sight" of heat-seeking SAM's, MANPADS, etc.

Optical illusion:
Blend lights into the lower surfaces of the aircraft in an attempt to blend the visual silhouette into the sky background.
This has been done in the past through projects such as the Compass Ghost programme.
Counter shading

Overall aircraft colour:
Scattered light from dust and clouds reflects onto an aircraft's underside. Even black aircraft below 50,000 ft will be visible due to this phenomenon. Most aircraft for that reason are painted a low visibility grey to take advantage of low light levels. Black aircraft are useful at night (hence why their missions are usually nocturnal). Another example is the pink coloured landrovers used by the British SAS. Pink is the best colour for desert conditions and is harder to identify than the typical beige or cammo coloured vehicles.

Aerodynamic effects, contrail suppression:

Some aircraft have contrail detectors built in which monitor contrail side effects, these can be countered by chemicals injected into the exhaust plumes using chlorosulphonic acids, various alcohol mixtures, etc) for suppression

Radar cross section:

depends on three main factors:

- geometric cross section

- directivity

- reflectivity

all three need to be dealt with and are complicated within themselves

Absorbent structure and design:

eg, laminated rubber
GRP composite layer
honeycombing
lossy impregnation of foam
conformal shaping
plastic laminates
frequency-selective surfaces
reflector films

Combining these structures with thermal infrared and visual camouflage properties results in an increased low observability.

The airframe, shape of the plane has a considerable impact on the design, but the issue of noise and vibration also has to be attended to to end up with a complete solution

Stealth design has to be a complete solution, dealing with just the RCS will work against ground based sweepers, missile systems, and interceptor radars, but the RCS is frontal only.

That means that Stealth can be tracked by a sophisticated AWAC's (especially if it knows the relative flight corridor). Systems such as Australias JORN OTH radar system can spot stealth platforms.

I actually believe that stealth aircraft are at the other end of the life cycle now. The US was using stealth aircraft for approx 8 years before they were released into the public. That would indicate to me that although stealth is an obvious force multiplier in the majority of theatre, the US has come up with other solutions in its place.

One of the things that the US has done consistently well is to build leading edge aircraft, and be a generation ahead of the nearest competitor (eg A12, SR71, U2, TRS2, F117, B2 etc...)

If they have started to develop technologies elsewhere and not around a stealth focussed solution, then that would indicate to me that they already know how to counter stealth and are devloping new platforms.

Stealth in UCAVs/TUAVs in a network centric environment, stealthy ordinance, and C41 managed from space is going to render a lot of air forces uncompetitive.

I think stealth emphasised manned aircraft probably have another 10 years left.

Stealth on other platforms is just as complex and involves other issues to be considered at the design stage.
 

suleman

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One of these systems is the "electrochromic polymer" that is being developed at the University of Florida. These thin sheets cover the aircraft’s skin and sense the hue, color and brightness of the surrounding sky and ground. The image received is then projected onto the aircraft’s opposite side. When charged to a certain voltage, these panels undergo color change. Another similar "skin" is being tested at the top-secret Groom Lake facility at Area 51 in Nevada. It is reputed to be composed of an "electro-magnetically conductive polyaniline-based radar-absorbent composite material." The system also utilizes photo-sensitive receptors all over the plane that scan the surrounding area, subsequently the data is interpreted by an onboard computer which outputs it much like a computer screen making the aircraft virtually invisible to site.
 

gf0012-aust

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suleman said:
One of these systems is the "electrochromic polymer" that is being developed at the University of Florida. These thin sheets cover the aircraft’s skin and sense the hue, color and brightness of the surrounding sky and ground. The image received is then projected onto the aircraft’s opposite side. When charged to a certain voltage, these panels undergo color change. Another similar "skin" is being tested at the top-secret Groom Lake facility at Area 51 in Nevada. It is reputed to be composed of an "electro-magnetically conductive polyaniline-based radar-absorbent composite material." The system also utilizes photo-sensitive receptors all over the plane that scan the surrounding area, subsequently the data is interpreted by an onboard computer which outputs it much like a computer screen making the aircraft virtually invisible to site.
The problem with this technology (as it currently stands) is that it cannot cover sufficint areas to be of tactical benefit. It also is also only going to useful in a benign environment. The power to drive it, the restrictions in where it can be used make it of limited value at present.

certainly in a war theatre where there is no EW capability it can be used, but against an OTH system it will stand out even though it may not be "visible" to someone standing 200m away. The power to drive these technologies creates an ECM signature in itself, and that tends to neutralise practical use. as each system to some extent can impact on another. thats why stealth is also a series of compromises.

Technically you could turn the hull of a ship into one big peltier surface thus rendering it signature free in an IR environment. BUT, it would be radiating enough power to power up a small city. ;)
 

elkaboingo

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well this isnt exactly radar stealth but there is a way to prevent infrared signature that does not use electricity or anything. its more like a camoflauge net. you usually put it over sams or arty guns. pakistan makes it so im sure most western countries have it. anyone know what im talking about.
 

gf0012-aust

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elkaboingo said:
well this isnt exactly radar strenght but there is a way to prevent infrared signature that does not use electricity or anything. its more like a camoflauge net. you usually put it over sams or arty guns. pakistan makes it so im sure most western countries have it. anyone know what im talking about.
its a bit hard to fly a fighter with a camo net on it - or for that manner drive a frigate around the ocean... ;)
 

suleman

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gf0012 said:
suleman said:
One of these systems is the "electrochromic polymer" that is being developed at the University of Florida. These thin sheets cover the aircraft’s skin and sense the hue, color and brightness of the surrounding sky and ground. The image received is then projected onto the aircraft’s opposite side. When charged to a certain voltage, these panels undergo color change. Another similar "skin" is being tested at the top-secret Groom Lake facility at Area 51 in Nevada. It is reputed to be composed of an "electro-magnetically conductive polyaniline-based radar-absorbent composite material." The system also utilizes photo-sensitive receptors all over the plane that scan the surrounding area, subsequently the data is interpreted by an onboard computer which outputs it much like a computer screen making the aircraft virtually invisible to site.
The problem with this technology (as it currently stands) is that it cannot cover sufficint areas to be of tactical benefit. It also is also only going to useful in a benign environment. The power to drive it, the restrictions in where it can be used make it of limited value at present.

certainly in a war theatre where there is no EW capability it can be used, but against an OTH system it will stand out even though it may not be "visible" to someone standing 200m away. The power to drive these technologies creates an ECM signature in itself, and that tends to neutralise practical use. as each system to some extent can impact on another. thats why stealth is also a series of compromises.

Technically you could turn the hull of a ship into one big peltier surface thus rendering it signature free in an IR environment. BUT, it would be radiating enough power to power up a small city. ;)
Dear no human system has ultimate perfection.What we doing is dodging a sysytem and then they will catch u from someother way.Secondly one have to sacrifice few things to achieve something.Soo all these stealth technologies also have flaws.They make tech to beat radars and radar tech improves to catch them again. :)
 

gf0012-aust

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yes, it is a process of continual improvement, the other thing that you should be cautious of is that some things are released on the internet deliberately - it doesn't mean that the project has any susbstance. The surface reactive skin layer (as described above) is a favourite for Area 51 advocates as it fits into some pet theories about "shape shifting" aircraft etc.....

the USNONR has spent lots of money looking at things like squid and chameleon to try and identify why and how they can change colour. There are already paint schemes that at certain wavelengths and altitudes render the aircraft "invisible" to a human eye (at a proscribed distance)
 

Awang se

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About the spread spectrum, we build an experimental machine. tell u what, once they try to ranging a test object with it, it detect a target and several ghost targets. there is many dots and only one is real. Do you know why this happen?
 

Awang se

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Phased array and doppler? i don't understand the question. The system using phased array antena with doppler shift detection for low flying target.
 

Awang se

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Oh my god! i figure it out already, i guess the problems lies in the doppler shift differential section.
 

gf0012-aust

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and you are getting ghosted returns on any sized aircraft or just one particular type?
 

gf0012-aust

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Awang se said:
Oh my god! i figure it out already, i guess the problems lies in the doppler shift differential section.
only if you are getting universal ghosting
 

Awang se

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Let's go on with the topics. U notice, when we two talk, others slunk away to the sidelines.
 
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