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This is a discussion on Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates within the Navy & Maritime forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; I think the chances of a white paper this election cycle are very low and if Labor gets in another ...


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Old December 3rd, 2012   #10006
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I think the chances of a white paper this election cycle are very low and if Labor gets in another term we'll just see more cut and unfulfilled promises. If anyone doubts this, just look at the last 4 years.
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If your dating a WRAN the only check you need is a doctors...not that im implying anything, some of my closest friends are women in the RAN...
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it brings me back to my main argument with work, a day alongside is a day wasted!
It wouldn't be wasted if the maintenance responsibility was given back to the RAN.
These periods at base alongside used to be called SMP's (Self Maintenance Periods) where the ships were cleaned, painted, oiled, fixed, scrubbed etc etc.
from what I see and hear, ships looked better and ran better under this regime and navy techo's practiced their trade and gained knowledge.

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That comment left me imagining the current governments perfect ADF, an order of Militant, Socialist Monks, ready to obey any order and accept any resulting blame, while remaining chaste and pure of mind and body.

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Im sure im on a few of his list, hes on my hitlist if i ever meet him,~pow right in the kisser~

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It wouldn't be wasted if the maintenance responsibility was given back to the RAN.
These periods at base alongside used to be called SMP's (Self Maintenance Periods) where the ships were cleaned, painted, oiled, fixed, scrubbed etc etc.
from what I see and hear, ships looked better and ran better under this regime and navy techo's practiced their trade and gained knowledge.
Navy is trying to put the focus back on maintenence atm, but we are yet to see it let alone believe it. The work rate and requirements for ACPBs has not dropped off of late.

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would some of you blokes mind tidying up your posts so that the layout probs are resolved....

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Bit of a news release from DMO about the new LHD and the new block for the structure is being built, but what I found curious is the local business that have supplied items for BAE is Pronto cement, I had assumed that the cement would be for the new wharf or footing can’t think of anything that would need cement in building the LHD or is it being used as permanent ballast somewhere on the ship?

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I take Ian Mcpheridans stories with a barrel of salt, as hes a bit hit and miss at times.
We've covered the reasons for the 4th AWD way back when, and we mostly agree(if possible) that it makes sense. The problem is getting people in government to see that, without cutting other components of the AWD to ensure its on time. The chance to ensure it was able to be followed came and went a while ago, and to get the Aegis built will require more then a couple of weeks notice, so im not holding my breath on it. They could always look at bringing forward the Anzac II, but that may mean more mothballed ships...ahem, sorry, extended readiness
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Bit of a news release from DMO about the new LHD and the new block for the structure is being built, but what I found curious is the local business that have supplied items for BAE is Pronto cement, I had assumed that the cement would be for the new wharf or footing can’t think of anything that would need cement in building the LHD or is it being used as permanent ballast somewhere on the ship?

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If the cement was to be used for ballast ? the only reason I could think of is that because we have changed the superstructure for the Canberra's internally, so could have different effect on the designed centre of gravity, meaning it could only be trimmed once it has been installed by BAE ?

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If the cement was to be used for ballast ? the only reason I could think of is that because we have changed the superstructure for the Canberra's internally, so could have different effect on the designed centre of gravity, meaning it could only be trimmed once it has been installed by BAE ?

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I didn’t think it would be used for ballast but was not sure. Just thought it was strange that the cement mob got a mention.

The impression I get is the overall superstructure is the same just internally different JCI.
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Just a correction, they would use "concrete" not cement for ballast's.
Cement is the glue that bonds sand and aggregate together to make concrete.
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Concrete is very inefficient ballast with an SG of only 2.2 I would have thought lead 11.3 or Iron 7.8 would be favoured.
Ingots of the above are certainly what we use in small ships.
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have supplied items for BAE is Pronto cement, I had assumed that the cement would be for the new wharf or footing can’t think of anything that would need cement in building the LHD or is it being used as permanent ballast somewhere on the ship?
It’s a pretty huge leap of logic to assume that since a cement company is involved they are ballasting the ships. In order to complete the LHD integration Williamstown Dockyard required a “facility readiness program” which included work on mooring and access, wharf services, heavy lift preparation and a stand-by crew facility. All of these works would require concrete.
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Worst job I ever did was removing lead ballast ingots from the'Flamingo Bay", an old ice breaking tug turned marine reaseach vessel. we did it by hand. concrete would be a night mare, being much bulkyier(is that a word? Sorry) than lead.
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Worst job I ever did was removing lead ballast ingots from the'Flamingo Bay", an old ice breaking tug turned marine reaseach vessel. we did it by hand. concrete would be a night mare, being much bulkyier(is that a word? Sorry) than lead.
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